EPTWhy top lists suck, and my own top list - Page 3
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Mutaller
United States1051 Posts
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Epishade
United States2267 Posts
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KapsyL
Sweden704 Posts
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Chairman Ray
United States11903 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On July 26 2013 00:35 Talin wrote: I think you should just have stuck by the first part of the blog title, instead of making another list that sucks. If you really want to compile a top list of anything, you need to let go of your personal bias and cultural influences of the kind of gaming communities you hang around. Or you're completely missing the point of the whole thing and coming across as an unnecessary grumpypants? Thought of that one? ^^ Probably showing my age like the OP, but Civ 2 is the game I sunk the largest number of hours into. Kinda obscene actually. Civ 3 was really disappointing by comparison, barely played it :< | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On July 25 2013 23:24 zuqbu wrote: i've added planescape to the list at the bottom, because it fits the criteria. i haven't played it myself, i'm far too impatient for more traditional RPGs. judging from the wikipedia article though, you don't seem to be alone with your opinion  i seriously thought about adding warcraft 2 to the list, really close but no cigar. warcraft 3 would definately get a spot within a top 20 as well. the original dota would be included in a ranking of warcraft 3, but i personally don't enjoy MOBA games. team fortress classic is in the list at the bottom, and tf2 is basically just that but with very nice graphics. i also mentioned the original team fortress mod in the quake 3 section, so maybe there's a tiny chance we might be friends?  WoW, the elder scrolls and gothic fall into the category of games i'm to impatient for. and concerning the settlers: i played through settlers 2 once, and liked it but didn't love it. a hidden criteria for this top 10 was a minimum of at least 100 hours played. but hey, i grew up a few blocks away from blue byte, does that count? The thing is, you can't try to make a "best X list" while simply listing the ones YOU liked the most (if you want to be taken seriously at all). You have to consider games that you don't necessarily like to play, but you acknowledge them for still being fantastic. The fact that you didn't have at least one of Morrowind/BG2/PS:Torment and WoW in your top ten is disturbing. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On July 27 2013 02:54 Stratos_speAr wrote: The thing is, you can't try to make a "best X list" while simply listing the ones YOU liked the most (if you want to be taken seriously at all). You have to consider games that you don't necessarily like to play, but you acknowledge them for still being fantastic. The fact that you didn't have at least one of Morrowind/BG2/PS:Torment and WoW in your top ten is disturbing. While I agree in theory, this is simply not feasible in most cases because by and large, if someone doesn't like a particular genre, they don't have enough knowledge about games in that genre to select the best ones critically and intelligently. Someone selecting games based on cursory knowledge of a genre that they haven't played deeply enough to properly analyze is how we got superficial mediocre AAA titles on the PC Gamer list in the first place. | ||
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ne0lith
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I think there are many amazing games that you missed out on (I'm guilty of that as well when it comes to old RPGs and RTSs ), so I can't say I like your list that much  | ||
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Ushio
Canada868 Posts
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Daray
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Incze
Romania2058 Posts
Jazz Jackrabbit 2 - don't ask NFSU2 - Oh man, how I love this game. Love the looks, the music, the arcade control. Not much I can say about it, except that it's still awesome and I still have it installed, after all these years. Prince of Persia Sands of Time, the one made in 2003. Brilliant game. Repetitive at times, with wonky camera, simplistic combat and obvious storyline. What's not to love? Legacy of Kain - the whole series. This is probably my favourite RPG series, of all time. Everything was perfect. The voices, the music, the combat, even the graphics were goddamn spectacular at the time (I still marvel at how good looking Defiance still is, after all these years) Starcraft - Well, I guess I don't need to tell you guys about this game. It was the first game I ever played on my own computer, after spending all my pocket money on internet cafes to play it for like a year. For the longest of times I couldn't even get past the Norad II mission. God, I still remember that one and I'm frustrated by it. Dota - If there was a list somewhere with my most played 10 games by hours spent, dota's numbers would be higher than all the other 9 combined (including WoW and diablo). I used to get home from school, play dota until the morning, or when my mom shouted at me to turn of the computer THIS MOMENT OR ELSE. Some of my fondest and most terrible gaming memories come from dota. It's hard to pinpoint when I started playing it, but it was definitely at least 7 years ago. I remember that in my first game I played with a random dude I found on LAN and after thoroughly owning me he taught me a few things, like always building perseverance on every hero, ever (yeah). My favourite hero was naix, when he had 3 passives. I hated the fact that his ultimate was a (15 second?) bkb because it wasn't another passive and I didn't like skilling it. So yeah, dota easily takes the cake. It's the uber game for me I'm sure that I'm forgetting many, but such is life. | ||
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deathly rat
United Kingdom911 Posts
On July 27 2013 08:29 Ushio wrote: This feels like it's plagued with nostalgia goggles It's impossible to write a subjective list like this without it being influenced by nostalgia. This is why everyone has a different list. Anyone who trys to write a list of objectively the best game has to resort to concrete things like graphics and mechanics, and therefore completely misses the point of what makes a game "good". | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27466 Posts
Something about the story, and indeed the way the narrative had to be read via terminals rather than spoonfed via cutscenes really has stuck with me. In other fields, the success of films like The Artist show that sometimes supposedly anachronistic narrative methods can actually give a different flavour to something, I hope mainstream gaming can take notes. | ||
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zuqbu
Germany797 Posts
On July 27 2013 08:29 Ushio wrote: This feels like it's plagued with nostalgia goggles while there is some truth in that, especially with shooters i think that both singleplayer and multiplayer haven't seen any big innovations over the last decade – on the contrary, a lot of new found genre conventions are taking away control, skill and excitement from the player: automatic health regen, quicktime events, overlinear level design, cutscenes and the abundance of assault rifles. that would be the topic of a seperate blog. On July 29 2013 12:28 Wombat_NI wrote: Marathon is still my all-time favourite game trilogy. Something about the story, and indeed the way the narrative had to be read via terminals rather than spoonfed via cutscenes really has stuck with me. In other fields, the success of films like The Artist show that sometimes supposedly anachronistic narrative methods can actually give a different flavour to something, I hope mainstream gaming can take notes. Pfhor sure! | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27466 Posts
Not just nostalgia speaking, actually did a replay pretty recently, the story stands up incredibly well | ||
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zuqbu
Germany797 Posts
On July 29 2013 17:03 Wombat_NI wrote: Marathon 1 had the whole Leela/Durandal thing going down, Durandal had you being an errand boy for an increasingly megalomaniacal AI. Eugh, I miss it Not just nostalgia speaking, actually did a replay pretty recently, the story stands up incredibly wellbtw i totally forgot about aleph one – added a link to the OP. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27466 Posts
 Apparently the Marathon box set box sells for quite a bit of cash these days in mint condition, as much as 150 dollars. So annoying, my one has a crease in it! Not sure I'd sell it anyway | ||
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