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Mutaller
Profile Blog Joined July 2013
United States1051 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-22 06:12:39
July 21 2013 22:10 GMT
#1
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How I got into chess.
I have been big into starcraft 1 and 2 and also league of legends. But recently I have lost my internet so I have headed to local cafes to get free wifi and check my facebook and keep up with everything. But just as anyone with a laptop does at a cafe is to read blogs. So I opened up Teamliquid and clicked on blogs and I noticed quite a few blogs about chess. So I decided to read a specific one Working on Chess By ThomasjServo who is also not able to play SC2 at the moment. Which really inspired me to get on Chess.com and play some chess against people which turned out badly. My ELO was 500 (if you don't know about elo anything below 900 is pretty bad.) The only thing I knew about chess was the moves. So I looked into learning more technical ways to play chess then to just free styling it.

Starting to learn openings.
Some games I played were lost in just a few moves so I knew that the first thing I needed to do is learn an opening. I googled around chess openings and Ruy Lopez (named after a spanish preist to analized the opening) was pretty much first on every list. And just as I learn starcraft builds I open up a game vs a computer on easy for me I used Chess Titans (in games folder for windows vista and above) LvL 1 computer to learn the opening. I am going to admit it I lost a few matches vs the LvL 1 Computer. But I slowly got better now I am able to beat it 70% percent of the time and Draw 30% which was way better then I was before the opening.

What I need to learn still.
End game how to get a W and not a Stalemate.
Playing as black.

Question for readers.
Do you use specific openings if so what?
How did you get into chess?

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Paljas
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6926 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-21 22:21:18
July 21 2013 22:20 GMT
#2
i really recommend the giuoco piano opening.
it is a simple, safe and fun opening and prevents you from doing stupid shit like kings gambit.
as a beginner, you should really focus on the fundamental aspects of the game and not so much in fancy openings.

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micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24753 Posts
July 21 2013 22:30 GMT
#3
Are you getting draws, or stalemates? They are slightly different. A draw can happen if there is a three-fold repetition of board states. For example, if you and the opponent keep moving the same two pieces back and forth the same way.

A stalemate will happen if you pin down the king so that he can't move, but the king isn't in check. Practicing endgame tactics is a must for avoiding stalemates.

Nothing wrong with looking at some popular openings to get an idea, but I strongly suggest on focusing most of your attention elsewhere, rather than studying openings. It's far more important to understand overall strategy and mid-game tactics than it is to have practiced a bunch of openings.

A good book to help you think about chess is Logical Chess by Chernev. Another thing that helped me in the past was I bought Chessmaster Grandmaster edition and did all of the lessons. Websites like chess.com also have many different ways to train besides playing games.
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Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
July 21 2013 23:07 GMT
#4
Famous quote I've always lived by in chess is "Learn chess first then learn openings" (look at many recent carlsen games he makes seemingly random moves in the opening then rolls over most opponents anyways) if you really wanted to focus on any part of the game focus on the end game first and tactic stuff. Really just play games with decent time controls and spend 5x the amount of time analyzing your games and you'd be surprised how fast you'll improve

To add credibility to my advice, which some people like, my ELO usually ranges around 2200 these days

I got into chess quite young when my dad would play with me sometimes
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Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
July 22 2013 00:36 GMT
#5
I only use one opening when im in black and another when im white. only those two and only on specific colors. i just want to familiarize them and i'm not that into it to also analyze my opponents opening.

i also practice end game tactics so that I'll know what to do during late game.

I'm just a casual player so that's my 2 cents ;_;
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KillerSOS
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States4207 Posts
July 22 2013 01:08 GMT
#6
Learn the first 5 most common moves of 2 openings, one for black and one for white, then move into tactics and overall board positions and lines of attack.

I dunno why everyone gets so caught up on openings when they are really an area you can neglect until at least the A level.
3FFA
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States3931 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-22 01:20:59
July 22 2013 01:15 GMT
#7
To add to what I said in reply to the blog you cited,
Ruy Lopez is the best first opening to learn, afterwards there are many paths to take. One I took was:



- White

Two openings among my favorites. However, I rarely use these against people that I've played before, and only once or twice in the same day since I have learned and perfected other openings. I always practice new openings and old ones, providing me with a larger amount of openings to pull from. Note that Black 'openings' are actually called defenses due to White's first turn advantage.

http://www.wikihow.com/Improve-the-Position-of-Your-Pieces-in-a-Chess-Game
Incredibly useful. A must-read for someone in your position.

http://chess.about.com/od/openings/tp/TopOpenings.htm
Most used openings.

I got into chess when I was four years old. My father and brother began teaching me as a 'birthday present' to me. I struggled at first but soon began to understand and started formulating more and more complex strategies and openings, eventually reaching the point where I was able to not only beat them rather easily, but also enter tournaments and compete for prizes. Practice and reading books helped quite a bit.
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Mutaller
Profile Blog Joined July 2013
United States1051 Posts
July 22 2013 04:12 GMT
#8
Thank you guys for all your feedback. I am practicing hard.
"To practice isn't for you to get better now in the present. Practice will never betray you and will always come back for you in the future." -Jaedong
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
July 22 2013 04:20 GMT
#9
On July 22 2013 07:30 micronesia wrote:
Are you getting draws, or stalemates? They are slightly different. A draw can happen if there is a three-fold repetition of board states. For example, if you and the opponent keep moving the same two pieces back and forth the same way.

A stalemate will happen if you pin down the king so that he can't move, but the king isn't in check. Practicing endgame tactics is a must for avoiding stalemates.

Nothing wrong with looking at some popular openings to get an idea, but I strongly suggest on focusing most of your attention elsewhere, rather than studying openings. It's far more important to understand overall strategy and mid-game tactics than it is to have practiced a bunch of openings.

A good book to help you think about chess is Logical Chess by Chernev. Another thing that helped me in the past was I bought Chessmaster Grandmaster edition and did all of the lessons. Websites like chess.com also have many different ways to train besides playing games.


A stalemate is just a type of draw, as is a three-move repetition, or 50-move rule or draw claim or draw offer.
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pebble444
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Italy2501 Posts
July 22 2013 09:41 GMT
#10
My favorite opening as black is the sicilian defence. With white the Ruy Lopez is excellent to learn first, but like Broodwar every opening is designed for a specific reason and you must not just learn one. My advice, learn 2 or 3 , practice them a lot, and have them in your arsenal.

Chess is a beautiful game, and can be enjoyed by both the professionals and amateurs like me and you. Just have fun, enjoy it, and try to find opponents at your skill level
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Mutaller
Profile Blog Joined July 2013
United States1051 Posts
July 22 2013 21:50 GMT
#11
On July 22 2013 18:41 pebble444 wrote:
My favorite opening as black is the sicilian defence. With white the Ruy Lopez is excellent to learn first, but like Broodwar every opening is designed for a specific reason and you must not just learn one. My advice, learn 2 or 3 , practice them a lot, and have them in your arsenal.

Chess is a beautiful game, and can be enjoyed by both the professionals and amateurs like me and you. Just have fun, enjoy it, and try to find opponents at your skill level

Yeah I plan on learning sicilian defence once I learn a bit of end game.
"To practice isn't for you to get better now in the present. Practice will never betray you and will always come back for you in the future." -Jaedong
3FFA
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States3931 Posts
July 22 2013 21:52 GMT
#12
On July 23 2013 06:50 reps)squishy wrote:
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On July 22 2013 18:41 pebble444 wrote:
My favorite opening as black is the sicilian defence. With white the Ruy Lopez is excellent to learn first, but like Broodwar every opening is designed for a specific reason and you must not just learn one. My advice, learn 2 or 3 , practice them a lot, and have them in your arsenal.

Chess is a beautiful game, and can be enjoyed by both the professionals and amateurs like me and you. Just have fun, enjoy it, and try to find opponents at your skill level

Yeah I plan on learning sicilian defence once I learn a bit of end game.

Sounds like a good plan! I wish you the best of luck.
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Bippzy
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1466 Posts
July 23 2013 01:11 GMT
#13
If I was not on vacation and without computer and on iphone(bleh) then I would have a ton of advice for you.

But I'll keep it short and sweet:
Chessnetwork and youtube.
The guy's name is jerry, and he posts videos of him playing in online tournaments, 1 min games.

Watching him is beneficial because:
His useful sayings he says to himself while playing help you in your own game, especially late game
He is wonderful at having a game plan, and even if you don't understand his openings(i still dont know caro kann) following why he makes moves is a great learning experience
There are unlimited videos, they are entertaining and improve your chess.

Also, don't focus on black. Just play e4 openings and try and just do one thing. For me that was the scotch opening but you can do ruy lopez do. For black just develop your pieces and don't get fancy(sicilian is really hard, maybe just claim the center like e4 e5 or d4d5 is simpler. After a year I know some tricks but I rarely sicillian because it is so sharp)
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3FFA
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States3931 Posts
July 23 2013 01:22 GMT
#14
On July 23 2013 10:11 Bippzy wrote:
If I was not on vacation and without computer and on iphone(bleh) then I would have a ton of advice for you.

But I'll keep it short and sweet:
Chessnetwork and youtube.
The guy's name is jerry, and he posts videos of him playing in online tournaments, 1 min games.

Watching him is beneficial because:
His useful sayings he says to himself while playing help you in your own game, especially late game
He is wonderful at having a game plan, and even if you don't understand his openings(i still dont know caro kann) following why he makes moves is a great learning experience
There are unlimited videos, they are entertaining and improve your chess.

Also, don't focus on black. Just play e4 openings and try and just do one thing. For me that was the scotch opening but you can do ruy lopez do. For black just develop your pieces and don't get fancy(sicilian is really hard, maybe just claim the center like e4 e5 or d4d5 is simpler. After a year I know some tricks but I rarely sicillian because it is so sharp)

Sounds like good advice. I too have yet to practice the sicilian due to it really just not being my style and also being quite the learning curve. However, I know how to deal with it when I am required to. I will check out those videos myself, as I have yet to hear of them.
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GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
July 23 2013 06:28 GMT
#15
I'd recommend staying away from the Sicilian when you're just starting to learn. Too much theory, which isn't what you want to be concentrating on. ...e5 is much simpler.
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mmp
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2130 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-29 04:12:42
July 29 2013 04:10 GMT
#16
I'd recommend trying all major openings to get a feel for the differences and similarities.

Openings I'm currently studying:

Catalan for White - Broad theory, but I think White can get very comfortable positions if he's done his homework.
Grunfeld for Black - I have a hard time playing against this as White, so if I can't beat 'em...
Berlin Defense for Black - An alternative to a6 Ruy Lopez.
Scotch Gambit for Black - I keep losing to this over the board. I'd play it for White if I weren't avoiding Sicilian theory by 1 d4.
Schliemann Defense for Black - Looks like fun!

Openings I've played a bunch:

French Defense for both sides. - I think White can do very well if he's prepared. I've stopped playing it in long time controls in favor of 1...e5, since most players I encounter over 1800 appear to have some anti-French line prepared.
Nimzo/Bogo/Queen's Indian for White. - There are a lot of possible transpositions when Black plays e6.
King's Indian for White. - I think the Gligoric-Taimanov variation gives White good piece activity once the center opens up (which it often does).
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GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
July 29 2013 05:15 GMT
#17
There's no reason to learn more than one opening when you're just starting. You should barely even be looking at any theory. It's much more important to just understand the basic ideas of the positions and to study stuff like tactics and basic mating patterns.
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mmp
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2130 Posts
July 29 2013 06:08 GMT
#18
On July 29 2013 14:15 GolemMadness wrote:
There's no reason to learn more than one opening when you're just starting. You should barely even be looking at any theory. It's much more important to just understand the basic ideas of the positions and to study stuff like tactics and basic mating patterns.

You definitely get more victories for your time spent by practicing tough puzzles / blitz, but chess is ultimately a game of strategy, so there must be balance. I recently lost a tournament game because I came in on every move looking for tactical possibilities, but my strategic decisions were all garbage: I neglected open files, I allowed my opponent's minor pieces too much activity while not coordinating my own pieces, etc. My opponent defended my attack and was forcibly winning material a few moves later.

Studying openings gets you started on the strategic basics: center control, piece activity, space, king safety, tempos.
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GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
July 29 2013 06:15 GMT
#19
On July 29 2013 15:08 mmp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2013 14:15 GolemMadness wrote:
There's no reason to learn more than one opening when you're just starting. You should barely even be looking at any theory. It's much more important to just understand the basic ideas of the positions and to study stuff like tactics and basic mating patterns.

You definitely get more victories for your time spent by practicing tough puzzles / blitz, but chess is ultimately a game of strategy, so there must be balance. I recently lost a tournament game because I came in on every move looking for tactical possibilities, but my strategic decisions were all garbage: I neglected open files, I allowed my opponent's minor pieces too much activity while not coordinating my own pieces, etc. My opponent defended my attack and was forcibly winning material a few moves later.

Studying openings gets you started on the strategic basics: center control, piece activity, space, king safety, tempos.


But when you're just starting, strategy doesn't really matter so much. People will often just leave pieces hanging or drop something to a one move tactic. Also, studying the middlegames of a few openings will be much more beneficial than studying the theory of a bunch of openings. Yeah, eventually you can start to learn more openings, but it's of extremely minimal importance. The only major opening changes I can remember making before I hit 2000 were playing the Caro-Kann instead of ...e5 and the Ruy Lopez instead of the Italian.
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Mutaller
Profile Blog Joined July 2013
United States1051 Posts
September 06 2014 00:01 GMT
#20
Hey guy I play chess now and again but recently I have really struggled with having my king and h1 rook and a8 rook still at starting place. The opposing player places a night on either C2 or C7 forcing me to either save my king and lose a rook any advice?
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don_kyuhote
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
3006 Posts
September 06 2014 02:12 GMT
#21
castle your king early and often. Try to focus on developing your army and castling your king before doing anything else.
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SlatMan
Profile Joined December 2013
29 Posts
September 06 2014 03:37 GMT
#22
In my opinion Starcraft is the hardest game overall on the planet, Chess is the most difficult mental, although I'm not sure which is the most physically straining activity. Chess is pretty cool man.
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