• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 21:55
CEST 03:55
KST 10:55
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S RO12 Preview: GuMiho, Bunny, SHIN, ByuN3The Memories We Share - Facing the Final(?) GSL23Code S RO12 Preview: Cure, Zoun, Solar, Creator4[ASL19] Finals Preview: Daunting Task30[ASL19] Ro4 Recap : The Peak15
Community News
Weekly Cups (May 19-25): Hindsight is 20/20?0DreamHack Dallas 2025 - Official Replay Pack8[BSL20] RO20 Group Stage2EWC 2025 Regional Qualifiers (May 28-June 1)19Weekly Cups (May 12-18): Clem sweeps WardiTV May3
StarCraft 2
General
Karma, Domino Effect, and how it relates to SC2. The Memories We Share - Facing the Final(?) GSL How does the number of casters affect your enjoyment of esports? Code S RO12 Preview: GuMiho, Bunny, SHIN, ByuN Can anyone explain to me why u cant veto a matchup
Tourneys
EWC 2025 Regional Qualifiers (May 28-June 1) DreamHack Dallas 2025 Last Chance Qualifiers for OlimoLeague 2024 Winter [GSL 2025] Code S:Season 2 - RO12 - Group B [GSL 2025] Code S:Season 2 - RO12 - Group A
Strategy
Simple Questions Simple Answers [G] PvT Cheese: 13 Gate Proxy Robo
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 475 Hard Target Mutation # 474 Futile Resistance Mutation # 473 Cold is the Void Mutation # 472 Dead Heat
Brood War
General
Battle.net is not working BW General Discussion Which player typ excels at which race or match up? Will foreigners ever be able to challenge Koreans? Practice Partners (Official)
Tourneys
[ASL19] Grand Finals [BSL 2v2] ProLeague Season 3 - Friday 21:00 CET [BSL20] RO20 Group D - Sunday 20:00 CET [BSL20] RO20 Group B - Saturday 20:00 CET
Strategy
[G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player I am doing this better than progamers do.
Other Games
General Games
Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread Monster Hunter Wilds Beyond All Reason Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
LiquidLegends to reintegrate into TL.net
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread TL Mafia Plays: Diplomacy TL Mafia: Generative Agents Showdown Survivor II: The Amazon
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread All you football fans (soccer)! European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread NHL Playoffs 2024 Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Cleaning My Mechanical Keyboard How to clean a TTe Thermaltake keyboard?
TL Community
The Automated Ban List TL.net Ten Commandments
Blogs
I was completely wrong ab…
jameswatts
Need Your Help/Advice
Glider
Trip to the Zoo
micronesia
Yes Sir! How Commanding Impr…
TrAiDoS
Poker
Nebuchad
Info SLEgma_12
SLEgma_12
SECOND COMMING
XenOsky
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 14425 users

Chess Cheese #1

Blogs > mmp
Post a Reply
1 2 Next All
mmp
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2130 Posts
March 25 2013 09:26 GMT
#1
Chess is the ultimate game of strategy. There are three major stages in a game of chess: Opening, Middle, and End. The Middle is the most complex part of the game, and it is where the true skill of the player shows. Just as solid macro wins over cheese in the game of Starcraft, solid strategy wins over opening tricks in the game of Chess.

But rushers gonna rush anyway...

[image loading]

If you are beginning Chess, this is the first cheese you must know. It is the 4-pool, popular at the scholastic level (that's a polite word for noobie) and <1000 on the Internet.

1. e4

White plays for the center, a sensible strategy. Kasparov played it, so it must be good.

1...e5

Black meets White in the center. Hundreds of years of experience back this up as solid.

2. Qh5

White halts drone production and saves up for a Spawning Pool. Fortunately, Black scouted it in time.

2...Nc6

Black drops a bunker to defend the pawn.

3. Bc4

The lings are on the move!

3... Nf6

Black cannons up to shoo the Queen away from his probes.

4. Qxf7#

Epic fail by Black.

gg no re



Next time, we'll look at the 1-base Lair Lurker Rush, aka Fried Liver Attack.



For more information: Scholar's Mate


***
I (λ (foo) (and (<3 foo) ( T_T foo) (RAGE foo) )) Starcraft
BrTarolg
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United Kingdom3574 Posts
March 25 2013 09:33 GMT
#2
Fried liver attack is amazing hahahahaha

I can't wait to see what's after that though i dont know any of the other cheeses
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
March 25 2013 09:42 GMT
#3
I remember figuring this out back when I was like 10. Never fell for it again after that though.
imBLIND
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2626 Posts
March 25 2013 09:50 GMT
#4
Legal's mate is pretty fun to use if you can spot the right circumstances in other openings other than the Paris defense (1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 d6)
im deaf
yokohama
Profile Joined February 2005
United States1116 Posts
March 25 2013 10:32 GMT
#5
I'm not very good at chess, but whenever I drop below about 1100 on chess.com, I can do this pretty much every time as white and get back to 1100 :D
pebble444
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Italy2496 Posts
March 25 2013 10:39 GMT
#6
Haha i call this the crush-a-noob-strategy

Actually on the rare occasions i use this i9 move pawn to E3 giving him a false sense of security and welcoming him to take control of the center while eating his sweet juicy king
"Awaken my Child, and embrace the Glory that is your Birthright"
mmp
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2130 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-25 11:08:31
March 25 2013 11:01 GMT
#7
On March 25 2013 19:39 pebble444 wrote:
Haha i call this the crush-a-noob-strategy

Actually on the rare occasions i use this i9 move pawn to E3 giving him a false sense of security and welcoming him to take control of the center while eating his sweet juicy king

I don't understand why some people prefer e3 to start this attack (some beginners copy it verbatim the way it was taught to them). e4 can transition into a standard open game, while e3 is a little clumsier (maybe closed, but your bishop on c1 is trapped). And if your opponent plays 1... a6 in response to 1. e4, then maybe it's worth a try...
I (λ (foo) (and (<3 foo) ( T_T foo) (RAGE foo) )) Starcraft
Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
March 25 2013 11:15 GMT
#8
On March 25 2013 18:26 mmp wrote:
The Middle is the most complex part of the game, and it is where the true skill of the player shows.


that's a pretty bold statement
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
Hoender
Profile Joined March 2011
South Africa381 Posts
March 25 2013 11:18 GMT
#9
haha nice blog - looking forward to the next one

Using your analogy I reckon this move would be like a blind fast expo losing to a proxy 2 gate :D
Die ou swepe sê: "daar's 'n raat vir elke kwaal," maar watse pil kou jy as die donker jou kom haal?
Parlortricks
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States111 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-25 11:58:18
March 25 2013 11:55 GMT
#10
I get this done to me all the time (unsuccessfully) by white in the 700-800 zone on chess.com but sometimes I see very strange variations like the following:
1.e4 e5
2.Bd3 Nc6
3.Qf3 d6
4.Bc4 Nd4
5.Qxf7#

Of course that's why I'm 730 and not 1730.
Salivanth
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia1071 Posts
March 25 2013 12:37 GMT
#11
For the chess newbies: What sequence counters this strategy? I can think of several counters, but I'm unsure which one is the best positionally.
<@Wikt> so you are one of those nega-fans <@Wikt> that hates the company that makes a game and everything they stand for <@Wikt> but still plays the game <@Wikt> (like roughly 30% of blizzard's player base, maybe much more...)
Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-25 12:52:09
March 25 2013 12:48 GMT
#12
e4 e5 qh5? nc6 bc4 g6 should be the most straightforward

edit: Nakamura (super gm) used to play 2. Qh5 all the time in blitz, mostly to show off vs. worse opponents. I believe he even played the line in a few classical games.
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
IMlemon
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Lithuania296 Posts
March 25 2013 12:50 GMT
#13
On March 25 2013 21:37 Salivanth wrote:
For the chess newbies: What sequence counters this strategy? I can think of several counters, but I'm unsure which one is the best positionally.


Just play g6 to attack and defend at the same time. White will have to waste another move to move his queen, which is very bad thing to do in the opening.
My future's so bright, I gotta wear shades.
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24637 Posts
March 25 2013 15:54 GMT
#14
Funny narration in the OP although this won't work against someone who isn't brand new to chess :p
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-25 16:36:29
March 25 2013 16:35 GMT
#15
On March 25 2013 20:18 Hoender wrote:
haha nice blog - looking forward to the next one

Using your analogy I reckon this move would be like a blind fast expo losing to a proxy 2 gate :D


Naw, that move is poking with your initial lings to discover that your opponent built his first worker then went afk and hasn't returned.

Edit: or maybe your opponent cannon-rushed the wrong base (aka that epic when-cheese-fails episode).
LiquidDota StaffSCIENTISTS BAFFLED | 3275929302
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10106 Posts
March 25 2013 17:23 GMT
#16
w-w-what... did... i just see this guy... WTF?!
Writer#1 KT and FlaSh Fanboy || Woo Jung Ho Never Forget || Teamliquid Political Decision Desk
TL+ Member
GettingIt
Profile Joined August 2011
1656 Posts
March 25 2013 20:39 GMT
#17
Tried doing this against the computer and got roflstomped even when I put it at the beginner level (~400).
radscorpion9
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada2252 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-26 00:14:30
March 26 2013 00:13 GMT
#18
On March 26 2013 05:39 GettingIt wrote:
Tried doing this against the computer and got roflstomped even when I put it at the beginner level (~400).


heheh. The computer is really good at making a player feel really "limited intellectually". I am glad I beat it on level 10 once in a while (vista). I guess I just need practice though
mmp
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2130 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-26 05:16:01
March 26 2013 05:15 GMT
#19
On March 25 2013 20:15 Orome wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2013 18:26 mmp wrote:
The Middle is the most complex part of the game, and it is where the true skill of the player shows.


that's a pretty bold statement

It's not just my opinion. Beginners can study opening lines that develop pieces safely; you aren't typically going to get destroyed in the opening stage by an equal opponent (you may end up at a disadvantage, but it's the middlegame where things fall apart). Endgame is probably the most critical stage of the game, but it is something you can study analytically, especially with the help of computers.
I (λ (foo) (and (<3 foo) ( T_T foo) (RAGE foo) )) Starcraft
mmp
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2130 Posts
March 26 2013 05:24 GMT
#20
On March 26 2013 05:39 GettingIt wrote:
Tried doing this against the computer and got roflstomped even when I put it at the beginner level (~400).

There are two simple ways to dumb down a computer engine.
(1) Limit its depth. Even at 1-ply it's going to pick up all of your hanging pieces and force you to play cautiously.
(2) Force it to make stupid moves (you can configure some engines to value pieces, king safety, pawn structure, etc. differently). A move like Ke2 after e4 is the kind of handicap that humans need against computers. :p
I (λ (foo) (and (<3 foo) ( T_T foo) (RAGE foo) )) Starcraft
1 2 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Road to EWC
22:00
Americas Closed Qualifiers
CranKy Ducklings381
EnkiAlexander 106
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RuFF_SC2 194
CosmosSc2 183
Nina 167
PiLiPiLi 7
StarCraft: Brood War
Aegong 62
NaDa 62
Icarus 7
Dota 2
monkeys_forever130
LuMiX1
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor171
Other Games
tarik_tv9193
FrodaN8168
summit1g8017
JimRising 403
C9.Mang0387
WinterStarcraft246
ViBE242
Mew2King177
Maynarde113
Has30
PPMD29
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1286
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 18 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH265
• Hupsaiya 58
• davetesta47
• gosughost_ 15
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• sooper7s
• intothetv
• Migwel
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• Azhi_Dahaki63
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
League of Legends
• Doublelift5030
• Shiphtur532
• Stunt336
Upcoming Events
Road to EWC
7h 5m
Road to EWC
14h 5m
BSL Season 20
16h 5m
Sziky vs Razz
Sziky vs StRyKeR
Sziky vs DragOn
Sziky vs Tech
Razz vs StRyKeR
Razz vs DragOn
Razz vs Tech
DragOn vs Tech
Online Event
1d 2h
Clem vs ShoWTimE
herO vs MaxPax
Road to EWC
1d 7h
Road to EWC
1d 14h
BSL Season 20
1d 16h
Bonyth vs Doodle
Bonyth vs izu
Bonyth vs MadiNho
Bonyth vs TerrOr
MadiNho vs TerrOr
Doodle vs izu
Doodle vs MadiNho
Doodle vs TerrOr
Replay Cast
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
The PondCast
5 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-05-28
DreamHack Dallas 2025
Calamity Stars S2

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
BSL Season 20
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
NPSL S3
Rose Open S1
CSL Season 17: Qualifier 1
2025 GSL S2
Heroes 10 EU
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
ECL Season 49: Europe
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025
YaLLa Compass Qatar 2025
PGL Bucharest 2025
BLAST Open Spring 2025

Upcoming

CSL Season 17: Qualifier 2
CSL 17: 2025 SUMMER
Copa Latinoamericana 4
CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLAN 2025
K-Championship
SEL Season 2 Championship
Esports World Cup 2025
HSC XXVII
Championship of Russia 2025
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.