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mmp
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2130 Posts
March 25 2013 09:26 GMT
#1
Chess is the ultimate game of strategy. There are three major stages in a game of chess: Opening, Middle, and End. The Middle is the most complex part of the game, and it is where the true skill of the player shows. Just as solid macro wins over cheese in the game of Starcraft, solid strategy wins over opening tricks in the game of Chess.

But rushers gonna rush anyway...

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If you are beginning Chess, this is the first cheese you must know. It is the 4-pool, popular at the scholastic level (that's a polite word for noobie) and <1000 on the Internet.

1. e4

White plays for the center, a sensible strategy. Kasparov played it, so it must be good.

1...e5

Black meets White in the center. Hundreds of years of experience back this up as solid.

2. Qh5

White halts drone production and saves up for a Spawning Pool. Fortunately, Black scouted it in time.

2...Nc6

Black drops a bunker to defend the pawn.

3. Bc4

The lings are on the move!

3... Nf6

Black cannons up to shoo the Queen away from his probes.

4. Qxf7#

Epic fail by Black.

gg no re



Next time, we'll look at the 1-base Lair Lurker Rush, aka Fried Liver Attack.



For more information: Scholar's Mate


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BrTarolg
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United Kingdom3574 Posts
March 25 2013 09:33 GMT
#2
Fried liver attack is amazing hahahahaha

I can't wait to see what's after that though i dont know any of the other cheeses
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
March 25 2013 09:42 GMT
#3
I remember figuring this out back when I was like 10. Never fell for it again after that though.
imBLIND
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2626 Posts
March 25 2013 09:50 GMT
#4
Legal's mate is pretty fun to use if you can spot the right circumstances in other openings other than the Paris defense (1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 d6)
im deaf
yokohama
Profile Joined February 2005
United States1116 Posts
March 25 2013 10:32 GMT
#5
I'm not very good at chess, but whenever I drop below about 1100 on chess.com, I can do this pretty much every time as white and get back to 1100 :D
pebble444
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Italy2497 Posts
March 25 2013 10:39 GMT
#6
Haha i call this the crush-a-noob-strategy

Actually on the rare occasions i use this i9 move pawn to E3 giving him a false sense of security and welcoming him to take control of the center while eating his sweet juicy king
"Awaken my Child, and embrace the Glory that is your Birthright"
mmp
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2130 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-25 11:08:31
March 25 2013 11:01 GMT
#7
On March 25 2013 19:39 pebble444 wrote:
Haha i call this the crush-a-noob-strategy

Actually on the rare occasions i use this i9 move pawn to E3 giving him a false sense of security and welcoming him to take control of the center while eating his sweet juicy king

I don't understand why some people prefer e3 to start this attack (some beginners copy it verbatim the way it was taught to them). e4 can transition into a standard open game, while e3 is a little clumsier (maybe closed, but your bishop on c1 is trapped). And if your opponent plays 1... a6 in response to 1. e4, then maybe it's worth a try...
I (λ (foo) (and (<3 foo) ( T_T foo) (RAGE foo) )) Starcraft
Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
March 25 2013 11:15 GMT
#8
On March 25 2013 18:26 mmp wrote:
The Middle is the most complex part of the game, and it is where the true skill of the player shows.


that's a pretty bold statement
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
Hoender
Profile Joined March 2011
South Africa381 Posts
March 25 2013 11:18 GMT
#9
haha nice blog - looking forward to the next one

Using your analogy I reckon this move would be like a blind fast expo losing to a proxy 2 gate :D
Die ou swepe sê: "daar's 'n raat vir elke kwaal," maar watse pil kou jy as die donker jou kom haal?
Parlortricks
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States111 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-25 11:58:18
March 25 2013 11:55 GMT
#10
I get this done to me all the time (unsuccessfully) by white in the 700-800 zone on chess.com but sometimes I see very strange variations like the following:
1.e4 e5
2.Bd3 Nc6
3.Qf3 d6
4.Bc4 Nd4
5.Qxf7#

Of course that's why I'm 730 and not 1730.
Salivanth
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia1071 Posts
March 25 2013 12:37 GMT
#11
For the chess newbies: What sequence counters this strategy? I can think of several counters, but I'm unsure which one is the best positionally.
<@Wikt> so you are one of those nega-fans <@Wikt> that hates the company that makes a game and everything they stand for <@Wikt> but still plays the game <@Wikt> (like roughly 30% of blizzard's player base, maybe much more...)
Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-25 12:52:09
March 25 2013 12:48 GMT
#12
e4 e5 qh5? nc6 bc4 g6 should be the most straightforward

edit: Nakamura (super gm) used to play 2. Qh5 all the time in blitz, mostly to show off vs. worse opponents. I believe he even played the line in a few classical games.
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
IMlemon
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Lithuania296 Posts
March 25 2013 12:50 GMT
#13
On March 25 2013 21:37 Salivanth wrote:
For the chess newbies: What sequence counters this strategy? I can think of several counters, but I'm unsure which one is the best positionally.


Just play g6 to attack and defend at the same time. White will have to waste another move to move his queen, which is very bad thing to do in the opening.
My future's so bright, I gotta wear shades.
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24674 Posts
March 25 2013 15:54 GMT
#14
Funny narration in the OP although this won't work against someone who isn't brand new to chess :p
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-25 16:36:29
March 25 2013 16:35 GMT
#15
On March 25 2013 20:18 Hoender wrote:
haha nice blog - looking forward to the next one

Using your analogy I reckon this move would be like a blind fast expo losing to a proxy 2 gate :D


Naw, that move is poking with your initial lings to discover that your opponent built his first worker then went afk and hasn't returned.

Edit: or maybe your opponent cannon-rushed the wrong base (aka that epic when-cheese-fails episode).
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FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10151 Posts
March 25 2013 17:23 GMT
#16
w-w-what... did... i just see this guy... WTF?!
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GettingIt
Profile Joined August 2011
1656 Posts
March 25 2013 20:39 GMT
#17
Tried doing this against the computer and got roflstomped even when I put it at the beginner level (~400).
radscorpion9
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada2252 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-26 00:14:30
March 26 2013 00:13 GMT
#18
On March 26 2013 05:39 GettingIt wrote:
Tried doing this against the computer and got roflstomped even when I put it at the beginner level (~400).


heheh. The computer is really good at making a player feel really "limited intellectually". I am glad I beat it on level 10 once in a while (vista). I guess I just need practice though
mmp
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2130 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-26 05:16:01
March 26 2013 05:15 GMT
#19
On March 25 2013 20:15 Orome wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2013 18:26 mmp wrote:
The Middle is the most complex part of the game, and it is where the true skill of the player shows.


that's a pretty bold statement

It's not just my opinion. Beginners can study opening lines that develop pieces safely; you aren't typically going to get destroyed in the opening stage by an equal opponent (you may end up at a disadvantage, but it's the middlegame where things fall apart). Endgame is probably the most critical stage of the game, but it is something you can study analytically, especially with the help of computers.
I (λ (foo) (and (<3 foo) ( T_T foo) (RAGE foo) )) Starcraft
mmp
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2130 Posts
March 26 2013 05:24 GMT
#20
On March 26 2013 05:39 GettingIt wrote:
Tried doing this against the computer and got roflstomped even when I put it at the beginner level (~400).

There are two simple ways to dumb down a computer engine.
(1) Limit its depth. Even at 1-ply it's going to pick up all of your hanging pieces and force you to play cautiously.
(2) Force it to make stupid moves (you can configure some engines to value pieces, king safety, pawn structure, etc. differently). A move like Ke2 after e4 is the kind of handicap that humans need against computers. :p
I (λ (foo) (and (<3 foo) ( T_T foo) (RAGE foo) )) Starcraft
Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
March 26 2013 09:58 GMT
#21
On March 26 2013 14:15 mmp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2013 20:15 Orome wrote:
On March 25 2013 18:26 mmp wrote:
The Middle is the most complex part of the game, and it is where the true skill of the player shows.


that's a pretty bold statement

It's not just my opinion. Beginners can study opening lines that develop pieces safely; you aren't typically going to get destroyed in the opening stage by an equal opponent (you may end up at a disadvantage, but it's the middlegame where things fall apart). Endgame is probably the most critical stage of the game, but it is something you can study analytically, especially with the help of computers.


That might be true at low levels, but claiming that the middle game is where the true skill of a player shows just doesn't hold as a general statement. Every stage of the game allows you to outplay your opponent. The opening isn't just about memorising lines and the endgame is about more than technique. Kramnik will be remembered as an opening and endgame expert, but he is still maybe the greatest player of his generation. Carlsen continues to beat top GMs in seemingly drawn endgames. Don't undervalue the importance and depth of the opening and the endgame, they deserve love too.
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
9-BiT
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States1089 Posts
March 26 2013 16:32 GMT
#22
you start out with 6 drones what is a 4 pool?
kwark_uk: @father_sc learn to play maybe?
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
March 26 2013 16:37 GMT
#23
On March 27 2013 01:32 9-BiT wrote:
you start out with 6 drones what is a 4 pool?

It's what came before the 6 pool. In SC/BW, you only started out with 4 workers, hence the 4 pool.
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NTTemplar
Profile Joined August 2011
609 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-25 13:28:20
May 25 2013 13:24 GMT
#24
On March 26 2013 14:15 mmp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2013 20:15 Orome wrote:
On March 25 2013 18:26 mmp wrote:
The Middle is the most complex part of the game, and it is where the true skill of the player shows.


that's a pretty bold statement

It's not just my opinion. Beginners can study opening lines that develop pieces safely; you aren't typically going to get destroyed in the opening stage by an equal opponent (you may end up at a disadvantage, but it's the middlegame where things fall apart). Endgame is probably the most critical stage of the game, but it is something you can study analytically, especially with the help of computers.


I can mostly recall reading top tier players, in particular Waitzkin and Carlsen, saying endgame is the most important.

The two mentioned being the ones I have learned the most from; Carlsen proving the importance of endgame through how brilliantly he can dismantle high rated players at that stage, and waitzkin even having said that playing endgame is what playing chess truly is.

With that in mind I still think the midgame is just under the endgame.
"Between Tomorrow's dream and yesterday's regret, is today's opportunity"
3FFA
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States3931 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-25 13:38:40
May 25 2013 13:38 GMT
#25
On March 25 2013 21:37 Salivanth wrote:
For the chess newbies: What sequence counters this strategy? I can think of several counters, but I'm unsure which one is the best positionally.

Moving the Knight out to attack the queen is generally good. As is moving the pawn up and placing the Bishop behind it like a party hat :D

Also, bumpedy bumps go a-bumpin' in the night...
"As long as it comes from a pure place and from a honest place, you know, you can write whatever you want."
NTTemplar
Profile Joined August 2011
609 Posts
June 03 2013 10:16 GMT
#26
On May 25 2013 22:38 3FFA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2013 21:37 Salivanth wrote:
For the chess newbies: What sequence counters this strategy? I can think of several counters, but I'm unsure which one is the best positionally.

Moving the Knight out to attack the queen is generally good. As is moving the pawn up and placing the Bishop behind it like a party hat :D

Also, bumpedy bumps go a-bumpin' in the night...


Be very careful about moving the knight out, if after 1. e4 e5 2. Qh5 Nf6 then 3. Qxe5+ puts black in an uncomfortable position, losing the e pawn and being unable to pressure the white queen

Moving the pawn up can be used as a universal solution to this, it might not be the best move in every variation, but it is a decent move.
"Between Tomorrow's dream and yesterday's regret, is today's opportunity"
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