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Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
March 26 2013 09:58 GMT
#21
On March 26 2013 14:15 mmp wrote:
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On March 25 2013 20:15 Orome wrote:
On March 25 2013 18:26 mmp wrote:
The Middle is the most complex part of the game, and it is where the true skill of the player shows.


that's a pretty bold statement

It's not just my opinion. Beginners can study opening lines that develop pieces safely; you aren't typically going to get destroyed in the opening stage by an equal opponent (you may end up at a disadvantage, but it's the middlegame where things fall apart). Endgame is probably the most critical stage of the game, but it is something you can study analytically, especially with the help of computers.


That might be true at low levels, but claiming that the middle game is where the true skill of a player shows just doesn't hold as a general statement. Every stage of the game allows you to outplay your opponent. The opening isn't just about memorising lines and the endgame is about more than technique. Kramnik will be remembered as an opening and endgame expert, but he is still maybe the greatest player of his generation. Carlsen continues to beat top GMs in seemingly drawn endgames. Don't undervalue the importance and depth of the opening and the endgame, they deserve love too.
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
9-BiT
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States1089 Posts
March 26 2013 16:32 GMT
#22
you start out with 6 drones what is a 4 pool?
kwark_uk: @father_sc learn to play maybe?
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
March 26 2013 16:37 GMT
#23
On March 27 2013 01:32 9-BiT wrote:
you start out with 6 drones what is a 4 pool?

It's what came before the 6 pool. In SC/BW, you only started out with 4 workers, hence the 4 pool.
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
NTTemplar
Profile Joined August 2011
609 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-25 13:28:20
May 25 2013 13:24 GMT
#24
On March 26 2013 14:15 mmp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2013 20:15 Orome wrote:
On March 25 2013 18:26 mmp wrote:
The Middle is the most complex part of the game, and it is where the true skill of the player shows.


that's a pretty bold statement

It's not just my opinion. Beginners can study opening lines that develop pieces safely; you aren't typically going to get destroyed in the opening stage by an equal opponent (you may end up at a disadvantage, but it's the middlegame where things fall apart). Endgame is probably the most critical stage of the game, but it is something you can study analytically, especially with the help of computers.


I can mostly recall reading top tier players, in particular Waitzkin and Carlsen, saying endgame is the most important.

The two mentioned being the ones I have learned the most from; Carlsen proving the importance of endgame through how brilliantly he can dismantle high rated players at that stage, and waitzkin even having said that playing endgame is what playing chess truly is.

With that in mind I still think the midgame is just under the endgame.
"Between Tomorrow's dream and yesterday's regret, is today's opportunity"
3FFA
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States3931 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-25 13:38:40
May 25 2013 13:38 GMT
#25
On March 25 2013 21:37 Salivanth wrote:
For the chess newbies: What sequence counters this strategy? I can think of several counters, but I'm unsure which one is the best positionally.

Moving the Knight out to attack the queen is generally good. As is moving the pawn up and placing the Bishop behind it like a party hat :D

Also, bumpedy bumps go a-bumpin' in the night...
"As long as it comes from a pure place and from a honest place, you know, you can write whatever you want."
NTTemplar
Profile Joined August 2011
609 Posts
June 03 2013 10:16 GMT
#26
On May 25 2013 22:38 3FFA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2013 21:37 Salivanth wrote:
For the chess newbies: What sequence counters this strategy? I can think of several counters, but I'm unsure which one is the best positionally.

Moving the Knight out to attack the queen is generally good. As is moving the pawn up and placing the Bishop behind it like a party hat :D

Also, bumpedy bumps go a-bumpin' in the night...


Be very careful about moving the knight out, if after 1. e4 e5 2. Qh5 Nf6 then 3. Qxe5+ puts black in an uncomfortable position, losing the e pawn and being unable to pressure the white queen

Moving the pawn up can be used as a universal solution to this, it might not be the best move in every variation, but it is a decent move.
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