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Neo_Joe
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States45 Posts
March 06 2013 01:10 GMT
#21
WTF I can eat things like http://www.genaw.com/lowcarb/baconwrapped_dogs.html and other low carb hot dogs on this?

IS THIS REAL LIFE? :D
tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19199 Posts
March 06 2013 01:21 GMT
#22
yep

I've been on a keto diet since Jan 1, down 35lbs (yeahhhh)

You can eat some insanely delicious things (cheese stuffed chicken wings wrapped in bacon) just fine, btw

Anyway, a lot of the advice I've gotten from others experienced with the diet about exercise has been that cardio isn't so great and resistance/weights are much better. I waited about a month before I started doing cardio and aside from an abnormally dry mouth it hasn't been too bad. I definitely recommend not starting both keto and exercise at the same time. At the very least, wait until you get through the keto flu.
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maggle
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Australia70 Posts
March 06 2013 01:30 GMT
#23
On March 06 2013 09:29 Neo_Joe wrote:
I have a question, after I hypothetically lose the weight I want off and go back to a normal diet, but still eating healthy, will I end up gaining the weight back because I'd be reintroducing carbs?


The basic rule is calories in = calories out for maintenance. Once you've lost the weight and you go back to a normal diet, you shouldn't be gaining weight if the daily calorie intake = calorie output. I don't exactly remember the science but I was slowly phasing in carbs towards the end of my ketogenic diet - it wasn't a simple matter of 'hurrah, time to destroy carbs again'. Your metabolism also plays a huge role in dieting: I made the mistake of suddenly cutting like 500-700 calories off my usual daily intake and as a result, my metabolism suffered at the end of my diet and I was gaining weight back even though I was eating under the recommended daily calorie intake for maintenance. Slowly shave off say 50 calories (not sure of the exact number) per week until you hit your targeted deficit calorie intake to ensure your metabolism doesn't suffer. Towards the end of your diet I would start slowly phasing in carbs day by day and up'ing your calorie intake slowly. Don't jump from say 1500 calories -> 2xxx (whatever your ideal calorie intake is for your height/weight/body fat%) calories, slowly add calories and make sure you're still maintaining your ideal weight.

In fact, just read Layne Norton articles regarding dieting and stop asking advice from amateurs like me in starcraft forums. And yeah, ketogenic diets are great for the first few weeks (think bacon wrapped anything) but you'll get sick of it sooner or later haha.
cheese me once, shame on you; cheese me twice, shame on me.
Neo_Joe
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States45 Posts
March 06 2013 01:32 GMT
#24
On March 06 2013 10:21 tofucake wrote:
yep

I've been on a keto diet since Jan 1, down 35lbs (yeahhhh)

You can eat some insanely delicious things (cheese stuffed chicken wings wrapped in bacon) just fine, btw

Anyway, a lot of the advice I've gotten from others experienced with the diet about exercise has been that cardio isn't so great and resistance/weights are much better. I waited about a month before I started doing cardio and aside from an abnormally dry mouth it hasn't been too bad. I definitely recommend not starting both keto and exercise at the same time. At the very least, wait until you get through the keto flu.


I've been doing cardio for ~4 weeks now every other day. Now on the off days of cardio I'm filling it in with weights at the gym with my buds. My body can handle it, it's okay to do right?
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-06 01:46:10
March 06 2013 01:43 GMT
#25
If your body isn't screaming at you, you are okay.

I'm pretty much against 'diet', just follow one simple rule and you'll be golden: EAT REAL FOOD (here's a link: http://web.archive.org/web/20100505050501/http://www.fitnessspotlight.com/2008/6/4/nutrition-101-the-one-rule-to-remember/)

'Real food' will often equate to a much lower processed carb intake, which generally means lower carb overall.


Let’s keep it simple: Eat real foods, preferably in their natural state. I think it’s pretty easy to figure out what is “food” and what isn’t. A few things to remember:

Food grows and dies. It isn’t created.
Food rots, wilts, and becomes generally unappetizing, typically rather quickly.
Food doesn’t need an ingredient label (and probably isn’t in a package either).
Food doesn’t have celebrity endorsements.
Food doesn’t make health claims.

Let’s give some foods this simple test and see if we should eat them:

Broccoli - Most certainly a real food
Steak - Deliciously real food, straight off the cow
Oreo cookies - Hold while I read the ingredients. Are you serious?
Eggs - Bingo
Walnuts - Check
Spaghetti - I don’t recall seeing a spaghetti tree on my last hike
Pop-Tarts - Just seeing if you’re paying attention
Pasteurized/Homogenized Milk - Nope, not in its natural state
Raw Milk - Yep, real food, naturally
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
Neo_Joe
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States45 Posts
March 06 2013 02:03 GMT
#26
On March 06 2013 10:43 Cambium wrote:
If your body isn't screaming at you, you are okay.

I'm pretty much against 'diet', just follow one simple rule and you'll be golden: EAT REAL FOOD (here's a link: http://web.archive.org/web/20100505050501/http://www.fitnessspotlight.com/2008/6/4/nutrition-101-the-one-rule-to-remember/)

'Real food' will often equate to a much lower processed carb intake, which generally means lower carb overall.

Show nested quote +

Let’s keep it simple: Eat real foods, preferably in their natural state. I think it’s pretty easy to figure out what is “food” and what isn’t. A few things to remember:

Food grows and dies. It isn’t created.
Food rots, wilts, and becomes generally unappetizing, typically rather quickly.
Food doesn’t need an ingredient label (and probably isn’t in a package either).
Food doesn’t have celebrity endorsements.
Food doesn’t make health claims.

Let’s give some foods this simple test and see if we should eat them:

Broccoli - Most certainly a real food
Steak - Deliciously real food, straight off the cow
Oreo cookies - Hold while I read the ingredients. Are you serious?
Eggs - Bingo
Walnuts - Check
Spaghetti - I don’t recall seeing a spaghetti tree on my last hike
Pop-Tarts - Just seeing if you’re paying attention
Pasteurized/Homogenized Milk - Nope, not in its natural state
Raw Milk - Yep, real food, naturally


Sweet, thanks!
Mothra
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States1448 Posts
March 06 2013 02:28 GMT
#27
I don't understand this new fad. Haven't starches been the staple of almost every human civilization the world over? Isn't obesity a relatively new phenomenon limited to industrialized, wealthy societies? I would think that high amounts of processed sugars and vegetable oils are more likely culprits than things like rice and potatoes. Add enough dressing and a big soda to something innocuous like a salad, and you can spike the calories to ridiculous levels and not even feel full. Think of traditional asian diets full of rice and noodles, and how rare obesity was.
tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19199 Posts
March 06 2013 02:41 GMT
#28
It's not a new fad. Doctors have been prescribing a ketogenic diet to treat epilepsy and diabetes for over a century. Starches have only become a major part of the diet in the past couple centuries. For 60,000 years before that humans ate mostly meat and fat.
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Mothra
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States1448 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-06 02:56:00
March 06 2013 02:55 GMT
#29
I'm pretty sure people have been farming and consuming starches for longer than a couple centuries. Obesity may have seen its rise in only the past few centuries. That doesn't coincide with a sudden shift from meat to starch though.
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
March 06 2013 03:00 GMT
#30
More of an issue with overeating versus subsistence farming/hunting. Combined that with processed food is bad for you, and 'real food' has built-in properties that prevent you from overconsuming.

What you get is paleo.

You guys are arguing the same thing.
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19199 Posts
March 06 2013 03:02 GMT
#31
On March 06 2013 11:55 Mothra wrote:
I'm pretty sure people have been farming and consuming starches for longer than a couple centuries. Obesity may have seen its rise in only the past few centuries. That doesn't coincide with a sudden shift from meat to starch though.

I didn't say starch was invented a couple centuries ago, said they became a major part of the normal diet.
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divito
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada1213 Posts
March 06 2013 03:20 GMT
#32
A friend of mine did the keto diet; he put a bunch of information on a Google doc for people to see. If you'd like me to grab the link, let me know. He also just made a 5-day meal plan as well for people that are interested in doing what he did.

Took him approximately 9 months? I believe, and he lost about 80 pounds on the keto diet. Went from 260 to 180.
Skype: divito7
Neo_Joe
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States45 Posts
March 06 2013 03:54 GMT
#33
On March 06 2013 12:20 divito wrote:
A friend of mine did the keto diet; he put a bunch of information on a Google doc for people to see. If you'd like me to grab the link, let me know. He also just made a 5-day meal plan as well for people that are interested in doing what he did.

Took him approximately 9 months? I believe, and he lost about 80 pounds on the keto diet. Went from 260 to 180.


I'd like to see it if you don't mind. As a newcomer to keto, any bit of info helps.
divito
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada1213 Posts
March 08 2013 21:09 GMT
#34
Here is the first: Link

And here is the recent meal plan that he made: Link
Skype: divito7
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