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Listen to the DJ set that got DJ Shadow kicked off the stage at Mansion Miami:
All Basses Covered
There is a song lyric that goes: "Want to be in the rap race but ain't ran one lap." I feel that many believe they know how the music industry works. Having run many laps, false started a few times and only finished some races, I am here to tell you that what happened in Mansion Miami is exactly how the music industry works. It has happened to people I know on a smaller stage. It almost happened to me. The music industry is not fact and figures and graphs. It's a promoter for a large club, the paycheck that could change everything, and then the food chain takes its course. A venue's purpose is to showcase, promote, an artist but the way things currently work has major clubs stealing fan bases. All they have to accomplish is the booking of several popular non-mainstream acts and show them in a non-flattering way. The fans are displeased, vow never to see said live act again, and are immediately swooned by free bottles and VIP tables. Please listen to this music set by DJ Shadow, show him that we still support the good musicians
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Reportedly, the promoter deemed the drum and bass that DJ Shadow dropped twenty minutes in "too futuristic" and brought the set to a halt.
Oh my word.
Surely if they booked DJ Shadow they know what he is like, and they also know that his fans will want to listen to HIS set, not some set that is approved by the club. Seems like there is more to it than him playing music that wasn't right.
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On January 04 2013 19:54 Wohmfg wrote:Show nested quote +Reportedly, the promoter deemed the drum and bass that DJ Shadow dropped twenty minutes in "too futuristic" and brought the set to a halt. Oh my word. Surely if they booked DJ Shadow they know what he is like, and they also know that his fans will want to listen to HIS set, not some set that is approved by the club. Seems like there is more to it than him playing music that wasn't right.
Well, who becomes a promoter or hires one that doesn't know who DJ Shadow is, becomes the real question here. The set is exactly what I expected, a different interpretation of what a nightclub set should sound like. Its one of a kind, he delivered, but they did not want to take the risk which is what brings me to my next point. If a club hires you, they are liable for whatever style you choose to play. They had no right in pulling his music, especially for bar sales.
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What a joke!
Well I'm really enjoying this set so thanks for sharing. 
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On January 04 2013 20:20 Wohmfg wrote:What a joke! Well I'm really enjoying this set so thanks for sharing.
Np. I actually had a nightmare about this. It really is a great set and the best thing about it, which is true of many of the great's sets, is that it works in the club and at your home. Innovation.
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Shows a lot about music industry, i saw once a top dj listing by some top mainstream site (forgot the name), it was a a tragedy. I loved drum and bass music, even dubstep and i saw both these genres crumble under mainstream pressure, now most of the artists produce garbage wooby stuff.
Said that i haven't listened to the set yet... but i can't imagine what wrong could dj shadow do, was it some sort of ventolin-esque track(aphex twin - ventolin)?
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please dont call DJ's musicians. they aren't, unless they actually play an instrument and record all their tracks themselves instead of sampling other people's work.
I am a musician, I've been doing it profesionally since I left school over 10 years ago and never once has anyone ever tried to steal my fan base lol.... Plus if you get hired and they say "you have to play these songs" then you either turn down the contract or decide you would rather be paid.
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On January 04 2013 23:54 emythrel wrote:
please dont call DJ's musicians. they aren't, unless they actually play an instrument and record all their tracks themselves instead of sampling other people's work.
I am a musician, I've been doing it profesionally since I left school over 10 years ago and never once has anyone ever tried to steal my fan base lol.... Plus if you get hired and they say "you have to play these songs" then you either turn down the contract or decide you would rather be paid.
Let me guess, rappers aren't musicians either?
This is kinda weird, I find most musicians (and artists in general) aren't so closed minded about other mediums.
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On January 04 2013 23:54 emythrel wrote:
please dont call DJ's musicians. they aren't, unless they actually play an instrument and record all their tracks themselves instead of sampling other people's work.
I am a musician, I've been doing it profesionally since I left school over 10 years ago and never once has anyone ever tried to steal my fan base lol.... Plus if you get hired and they say "you have to play these songs" then you either turn down the contract or decide you would rather be paid.
I am a musician and a DJ and I can honestly tell you that DJs are musicians. It takes a lot of skill to keep people, like you even, entertained for hours at a time. They just dont play music, maybe if you listened to the set first you can expand your mind, because DJ Shadow does both things, on turntables mind you. DJs are musicians.
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to the musician with a closed mind - DJ's are musicians. To see you say that in the first place shows that you aren't too knowledgeable in said facet of the industry. No worries.
on topic - Its really sad to see these noname promoters booking the big names because they bring the big crowds right? Yet you impose ridiculous standards of your own on them, skewed by the promoter's own view on things & how music should be catered & played (which really isn't his line of work).
Its like commissioning a famous sculptor known for his excellent bronze statues and then find yourself disappointed when he crafts bronze statues instead of a bulk of clay pigeons that you would expect, because clay pigeons are in at the moment.
Massive exposure to a culture that once was exclusive and a well-kept secret of few always attracts ignorant fellows only determined to make the maximum amount of profit
makes me sad, this ;_;
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Ugh this is so sad. Shadow is such a talented artist. Too bad these retarded sheep have to listen to some brainwashed MTV shit in order to feel comfortable. They all need to take a heroic dose of magic mushrooms and open their fucking third eyes.
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On January 05 2013 01:51 fusefuse wrote:
to the musician with a closed mind - DJ's are musicians. To see you say that in the first place shows that you aren't too knowledgeable in said facet of the industry. No worries.
on topic - Its really sad to see these noname promoters booking the big names because they bring the big crowds right? Yet you impose ridiculous standards of your own on them, skewed by the promoter's own view on things & how music should be catered & played (which really isn't his line of work).
Its like commissioning a famous sculptor known for his excellent bronze statues and then find yourself disappointed when he crafts bronze statues instead of a bulk of clay pigeons that you would expect, because clay pigeons are in at the moment.
Massive exposure to a culture that once was exclusive and a well-kept secret of few always attracts ignorant fellows only determined to make the maximum amount of profit
makes me sad, this ;_;
This, is all true. Made me very upset yet it inspired me. Playing different music is hard enough as it is, you literally have to find your own way, but promoters like these make it impossible. I know because most of my DJ friends struggled with things like these, in San Diego no less. The nightlife here is good but there's too much bad hip hop and top 40. People had to fight to bring Nu Disco, Disco, and even Tech house into the scene. Most of my fan base is from SoundCloud, because you need a fan base to get gigs and gigs to get a fan base as we all know. Some of the best musicians make THE best DJ sets, but no one would ever know that because they don't get to see them. It's a monopoly. Sadly, closed minded musicians, who dont know anything about dance music or very popular and specific types of dance music, love getting told what is good and what is bad.
In theory, actually, these different musicians dont stand a chance but these promoters reach into their little bags of tricks whenever they need the money thus killing off all the talent.
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I don't know about most DJs, but DJ shadow is a real musician (and very good one at that). Go listen to his album "Entroducing..."
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On January 04 2013 23:54 emythrel wrote:
please dont call DJ's musicians. they aren't, unless they actually play an instrument and record all their tracks themselves instead of sampling other people's work.
I am a musician, I've been doing it profesionally since I left school over 10 years ago and never once has anyone ever tried to steal my fan base lol.... Plus if you get hired and they say "you have to play these songs" then you either turn down the contract or decide you would rather be paid.
You have probably never listened to DJ Shadow before, so get your head out of your egotistical ass before you talk about something you have no idea about.
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This has been fairly "big" topic on a half-nationwide radio here in Finland. Strange move by the club owner though, but then again if you have money, you can do what ever you please in your own club.
Hopefully Dj Shadow got paid though! :D
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On January 05 2013 03:57 Grettin wrote:
This has been fairly "big" topic on a half-nationwide radio here in Finland. Strange move by the club owner though, but then again if you have money, you can do what ever you please in your own club.
Hopefully Dj Shadow got paid though! :D
Seems like DJ shadow is again on first pages, things like that almost always end up in artist's favor.
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On January 05 2013 04:08 bgx wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 03:57 Grettin wrote:
This has been fairly "big" topic on a half-nationwide radio here in Finland. Strange move by the club owner though, but then again if you have money, you can do what ever you please in your own club.
Hopefully Dj Shadow got paid though! :D Seems like DJ shadow is again on first pages, things like that almost always end up in artist's favor.
I'd hope so because this is one of the dumbest things I've heard in a while.
Edit: the news that is, not the music! Listening to the set right now, pretty good so far, and it's not even necessarily my style.
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This was obviously due to the fact that some rich kid with connections to the promoter didn't like the music, so the promoter shut it down.
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That or the promoter himself was the rich kid
That also tends to happen these days ;;
Thats the new craze, book badass artists, and have the completely wrong vision of what kind of crowd to cater it to. And then be upset with the artist :D
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How disrespectful. Thanks for linking the set, keep it real shadow
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Sounds like most trash rich boy clubs that permeate London, guess everywhere is similar, pretty much run by dicks, for mindless sheep. Doubt anyone that cares about music gives a shit since they probably never go to places like that anyways.
Enjoyed the set though, cheers for linking
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Barring 1-2 weaker moments this set is super good.
And organ donor coming in 60min, it never gets old 
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Jesus Christ. Doing this to DJ Shadow, a one-man revolution... disgusting.
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I have no idea who DJ Shadow is, or his influence on the over-specified genre that is house music. I do however live in Miami, and I have worked extensively on South Beach. The people at Mansion know what they're doing. The club is part of The Opium Group who essentially own all of the high class venues on South Beach. In different stories about the Mansion and DJ Shadow incident, it's said many times that the people in the club were not enjoying what he was playing. They simply did their job by kicking him out. The business logic behind it is simple.
Also, despite what anyone in this thread thinks, promoters don't hire DJs for clubs that corporate.
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On January 05 2013 14:17 Game wrote:
I have no idea who DJ Shadow is, or his influence on the over-specified genre that is house music.
no no no that's the point
edit: do yourself a favor and go take a listen to Endtroducing...
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On January 05 2013 14:17 Game wrote:
I have no idea who DJ Shadow is, or his influence on the over-specified genre that is house music. I do however live in Miami, and I have worked extensively on South Beach. The people at Mansion know what they're doing. The club is part of The Opium Group who essentially own all of the high class venues on South Beach. In different stories about the Mansion and DJ Shadow incident, it's said many times that the people in the club were not enjoying what he was playing. They simply did their job by kicking him out. The business logic behind it is simple.
Also, despite what anyone in this thread thinks, promoters don't hire DJs for clubs that corporate.
No, youre wrong. They dont know what they are doing. They should open up hotels and casinos because they do not know how to work with talent.
Its all in the attitude. If you train your staff to listen to everything, the way it should be, then they will feel the sound and the room might have a different energy. but since they all prob listen to the same crap, their attitudes were prob hideous.
it is never ok to let a rich patron change your business. in all things. sure, the customer is always right, but one? if you book an artist, you are in a contract, for the night. because if he doesnt play up to your expectations, that is your bad.
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There is a fine line in business that is blurred when; money is lost, someone shamelessly plugs themselves by committing a break in contract. It can be done by a band that plays the wrong music or it can be done by a nightclub that kicks an act off the stage.
A business can do whatever is in the better interest of said establishment? Not quite. In this situation, with DJ Shadow and Mansion Miami, the cultures are similar but the styles vary. DJ Shadow, one of the best DJ's in the world, has an electronica, chill sound to his music. Mansion Miami features mostly popular House Music acts and rave style music.
Where do they meet? Hip Hop. No one does Hip Hop like DJ Shadow does and where in lies the probable reason he was hired. Which proves that there was no reason for him to be fired from his set, the follow-up apology proves this. The actual set is a brilliant work of meshed-up Hip Hop and plethora of assorted sub-genres.
Mansion Miami, maybe only subconsciously, stole or attempted to steal fans from DJ Shadow. You see, by kicking him out, and hiring him, a new group of audience is stimulated. It is new business. For the sole reason that DJ Shadows business becomes their business, even if just for the night. They literally attempted to physically take his fans, and business. I say literally because they were present not because of Mansion Miami's reputation, unless they actually were fans, but were for the most part there because he said he was going to be there. It was a pathetic breach of contract, and a shameless attempt at self promotion: The group that dismantled the atomic bomb that is DJ Shadow.
It is such an insult, I can't explain this enough, for a business group to expect a different take on club music and then simply attempt to get rid of him for delivering. This happens all the time, in all facets of life, in more ways and shapes than you can possibly imagine. It is almost too complicated to claim. A sort of passive aggressive, reverse phycological attempt at sabotage. When will the greed end? When is it ok for a business to portray being different as a "self plug"? Or, have the gull to to label or be a so called expert on the matter.
In the end, this was a just a case of the mansion having a mind of it's own, a monster reacting in the way it was raised.
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Seems like people are mad because a club did what it thought was best for the club, and what was completely in the right of the club.
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Whether or not it's within the rights of the club isn't really the point here. It's not like DJ Shadow is some unknown entity that can vary wildly between 'hit or miss' in his performances. It's not like he sometimes only plays sets consisting entirely of chart-toppers. You know exactly what you're getting when you book DJ Shadow and that's a performance by one of the most consistent and consistently hard-working Producers/DJs in the industry.
It's a complete disrespect to an artist and his audience, if you book him - knowing full well what he does - and then say that what he's playing isn't what you wanted.
It may have been a genuine mistake and fair enough, these things do happen, but it just seemed to me to be probably caused by some 'VIP' waving money around who didn't happen to be in the mood for Shadow on that particular day.
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Was it the Noisia track towards the end that made him get kicked out, our was it the entire set?
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On January 05 2013 21:55 jtype wrote:
Whether or not it's within the rights of the club isn't really the point here. It's not like DJ Shadow is some unknown entity that can vary wildly between 'hit or miss' in his performances. It's not like he sometimes only plays sets consisting entirely of chart-toppers. You know exactly what you're getting when you book DJ Shadow and that's a performance by one of the most consistent and consistently hard-working Producers/DJs in the industry.
It's a complete disrespect to an artist and his audience, if you book him - knowing full well what he does - and then say that what he's playing isn't what you wanted.
It may have been a genuine mistake and fair enough, these things do happen, but it just seemed to me to be probably caused by some 'VIP' waving money around who didn't happen to be in the mood for Shadow on that particular day.
Right and a club doesn't get a lifeline or a replay flag by right. They should have stuck by DJ Shadow regardless.
They closed down his set not even half way through
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They issed a half-assed apology... what a shame.
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