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Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
December 19 2012 01:54 GMT
#61
On December 19 2012 10:51 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
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On December 19 2012 10:48 Caihead wrote:
On December 19 2012 10:44 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
On December 19 2012 10:36 Caihead wrote:
On December 19 2012 10:32 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
On December 19 2012 10:17 dAPhREAk wrote:
On December 19 2012 10:10 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
Personal note: Jehovah's Witnesses are FAR more persistent. Mormon's will actually go away, and even leave you alone for a few months. If you open a door once for a JW, you're fucked. The only effective way to get a JW to stop coming every week is to argue with them (calmly) and then wait for the thousands of opportunities they give you to leave them speechless. But it's exhausting to get to that point.

Mormons? Throw pity upon these young men, not rage. They're threatened with their celestial status if they do not go. Tithing is all but compulsory and yet you still have to pay to even go on a mission! For men, you really can't not go on your mission and stay in the church and not expect severe social backlash, not to mention the shame from your own family. Mormons are absurdly nosy about everyone's life from the congregation. They take the whole "brother/sister" prefixes much too far. You can say freedom of choice and use your brain and whatnot, but let me tell you, when you're raised in a very precise, calculated way, and they use the emotions and judgments against you, they make it tough to even speak a foul word, let alone walk away or say no.

Can you tell I was raised mormon yet? lol


jack fucking mormon you mean. i see your handle is just a call for help from the oppressiveness of the doctrine and covenants.

You've always been my biggest critic

No, the teachings of the church itself are not oppressive (although are as absurd most beliefs), it's the culture that's the problem. Being mormon is a complete commitment of all your spare time and energy, not a see-you-next-Sunday kind of class. You are instructed to only have mormon friends, and if not, convert your non-mormon friends so now you don't have to feel bad about hanging out with non-mormons. Youth Firesides, Youth Conferences, Youth Dances, youth planning meetings, Boy Scouts, seminary (it's 5-day a week Bible school in high school, all four years), youth night, priesthood meeting, fast offerings, fasting, tithing, and temple work (oh Lord...). It went from, "Do good works" to "YOUR ASS IS FREE SPIRITUAL LABOR ON DEMAND"

I imagine it's even worse for the women, who still have shitload of work but stress the importance of being a good mormon wife and mother, since that's all they're allowed to do.


It's not oppression in the sense of a class struggle or one party subjugating another, but oppression in terms of ideology. You can apply the same definition of oppression and say that in alot of cases the middle class is oppressed into wallowing in mundane mediocrity and forced to work for no appreciable gain or progress from cradle to grave. The mormon ideology is definitely oppressive, any ideology that dictates how an individual has to act down to every minute detail is oppressive, even if the ideology's values are good.

Nonono you misunderstand. I was responding to daphreak who implied my entire schtick is based on being an oppressed mormon. I don't disagree with what you said, but my point was that the dogmatic interpretations of the Bible, Joe Smitty, and the BOM created a culture of eat-breathe-live mormons, when original ideas of the church (that changed on a dime, thanks to Joe's "infallibility") was of works and community and love (even if he was just some guy that wanted his own church and money, that's another discussion, I'm just saying it used to be about the positives).

You know, it's kind of like the people that call themselves Christians. but obviously skipped the part of the bible where Jesus actually spoke. You know, the love, forgiveness, grace, charity. Fuck that, you have to follow OUR rules to get into heaven. Wear this, do this, drink this, don't touch yourself, and so on. At least some Christians are actually true to the name.


That's a pretty generalized statement... How many of those who champion modern free market economies even knows what Adam Smith referred to when he mentioned "invisible hand" in wealth of nations? How many of those who mindlessly defend the American constitution even knows the individual views of the founding fathers and the historical context? Any beliefs system gets bogged down overtime with corrupted bureaucracies and obscene misrepresentation for private gain.

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Why are you trying to disagree when we don't even disagree


I'm just waiting for my god damn food delivery to arrive humour me :3
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18825 Posts
December 19 2012 01:54 GMT
#62
On December 19 2012 10:52 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
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Excellent show, I must say
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MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10341 Posts
December 19 2012 02:00 GMT
#63
On December 19 2012 10:53 Caihead wrote:
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On December 19 2012 10:47 Wrongspeedy wrote:
On December 19 2012 10:38 Caihead wrote:
On December 19 2012 10:37 Praetorial wrote:
O.o

Guys

plz don't do this


You made a blog called "Mormons(and why I hate them)" so I'm gonna hate on some Mormons god dammit. :3


Not the biggest fan of any super religious people (go go spirituality without religion!), but it sounds like they were just being nice and doing their job. Did you talk to them much? Or did you really just close the door on them immediately? Did you ask for the Bible you ordered? I feel like you left some key stuff out of your blog. Its nice someone would take the time to come out and talk to someone who might be interested in talking and it doesn't sound like they just invited themselves in (or at least you didn't say that).

I have a friend who was raised Mormon, who does not think of himself as a Mormon nor did his brother, anyways his brother died of heroin overdose a few months ago and the head of their LDS church came to make sure their mom was alright. Tons of people from her church left food and treats at her house for like a week straight. Seems straight barbaric! They do seem to get into each others business a little bit but sometimes thats a good thing. Sometimes people don't want other people around at the same time they need them.


Seems like every time people defend the values of religious association they forget that human beings are perfectly capable of having communities and having comradery and caring for each other with out religion, even more offensive is when they suggest that all human morality and capacity to care for each other has to have originated from their specific religion and that all atheists have to draw their humanity from their specific religion. I'm not attacking your statement but simply highlighting the fact that this is such a false assumption, atheists do not hate any group of people religious or not for community actions and charity and what so ever actions taken while not violating the freedoms of others, they take issue with the ideology itself.

Tell us more about these comparatively pure of heart and mind atheist folk [image loading]
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dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
December 19 2012 02:02 GMT
#64
if the sexy panties didnt get you, how could you hate someone who produced this movie?

Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
December 19 2012 02:03 GMT
#65
On December 19 2012 11:00 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
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On December 19 2012 10:53 Caihead wrote:
On December 19 2012 10:47 Wrongspeedy wrote:
On December 19 2012 10:38 Caihead wrote:
On December 19 2012 10:37 Praetorial wrote:
O.o

Guys

plz don't do this


You made a blog called "Mormons(and why I hate them)" so I'm gonna hate on some Mormons god dammit. :3


Not the biggest fan of any super religious people (go go spirituality without religion!), but it sounds like they were just being nice and doing their job. Did you talk to them much? Or did you really just close the door on them immediately? Did you ask for the Bible you ordered? I feel like you left some key stuff out of your blog. Its nice someone would take the time to come out and talk to someone who might be interested in talking and it doesn't sound like they just invited themselves in (or at least you didn't say that).

I have a friend who was raised Mormon, who does not think of himself as a Mormon nor did his brother, anyways his brother died of heroin overdose a few months ago and the head of their LDS church came to make sure their mom was alright. Tons of people from her church left food and treats at her house for like a week straight. Seems straight barbaric! They do seem to get into each others business a little bit but sometimes thats a good thing. Sometimes people don't want other people around at the same time they need them.


Seems like every time people defend the values of religious association they forget that human beings are perfectly capable of having communities and having comradery and caring for each other with out religion, even more offensive is when they suggest that all human morality and capacity to care for each other has to have originated from their specific religion and that all atheists have to draw their humanity from their specific religion. I'm not attacking your statement but simply highlighting the fact that this is such a false assumption, atheists do not hate any group of people religious or not for community actions and charity and what so ever actions taken while not violating the freedoms of others, they take issue with the ideology itself.

Tell us more about these comparatively pure of heart and mind atheist folk [image loading]


Hey man, I never said atheists were better, if anything atheists have the toughest time actually maintaining a correct moral course of action because they have to depend entirely on their own mental state and capacity to make rational decisions with out resorting to a community or ideology defined truism. I accept that and I accept that I'm more likely to be wrong, ill informed, and suffer as a consequence than if I'm not an atheist.
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MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10341 Posts
December 19 2012 02:04 GMT
#66
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phosphorylation
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2935 Posts
December 19 2012 02:20 GMT
#67
I would have invited them for a cup of tea and have a nice chat.
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UndoneJin
Profile Joined February 2011
United States438 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-19 02:58:27
December 19 2012 02:24 GMT
#68
I always find it interesting to read this kind of stuff, I was raised one of Jehovah's Witnesses.

Obviously there are good and bad people, sensible and less sensible, etc. in all organizations/religious groups. It is EXTREMELY ignorant of the organization as a whole for 3 large men to come to your door, that's just plainly wrong and I would be upset about it too. However, I can't believe you didn't think this through a little more thoroughly. Mormons and JW are both well known coming to your door with religious material, you really thought they would send you a bible with no follow-up? Definitely not how it works.

And seriously guys, if you don't want return visits from Mormons or JW when they come to your door, it's very simple to deal with it. You just politely inform them you're familiar with what they have to offer, and at this point would ask for no further visits. You have to specify that you don't want to be called on again. If they persist, just repeat yourself, and excuse yourself from the door. No need to waste their time or yours if you are not interested.
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Carson
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada820 Posts
December 19 2012 03:02 GMT
#69
On December 19 2012 11:24 UndoneJin wrote:
I always find it interesting to read this kind of stuff, I was raised one of Jehovah's Witnesses.

Obviously there are good and bad people, sensible and less sensible, etc. in all organizations/religious groups. It is EXTREMELY ignorant of the organization as a whole for 3 large men to come to your door, that's just plainly wrong and I would be upset about it too. However, I can't believe you didn't think this through a little more thoroughly. Mormons and JW are both well known coming to your door with religious material, you really thought they would send you a bible with no follow-up? Definitely not how it works.

And seriously guys, if you don't want return visits from Mormons or JW when they come to your door, it's very simple to deal with it. You just politely inform them you're familiar with what they have to offer, and at this point would ask for no further visits. You have to specify that you don't want to be called on again. If they persist, just repeat yourself, and excuse yourself from the door. No need to waste their time or yours if you are not interested.


Seems like this is the best advice.

Also, 1 star for ridiculously angsty complaint
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BearStorm
Profile Joined September 2010
United States795 Posts
December 19 2012 03:40 GMT
#70
FYI quarterbacks are in the NFL, not the NBA. I got a good chuckle though
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iamho
Profile Joined June 2009
United States3347 Posts
December 19 2012 04:01 GMT
#71
Wow no offense OP but you definitely seem like the dick in this story. I see you're still in high school, are you one of those easily-offended Richard Dawkins types of atheists?
vOdToasT
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Sweden2870 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-19 04:45:27
December 19 2012 04:42 GMT
#72
I find it mildly amusing that the original poster HATES mormons with a FIERY PASSION because they promised him a free book, and instead gave him a visit.

You're either very weird, or you're abusing the word hate. Hatred should be reserved for much worse things. Religious examples include honour killings, the brainwashing and terrorizing of children, the oppression of women, and rape justified by religion.
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Praetorial
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States4241 Posts
December 19 2012 04:56 GMT
#73
On December 19 2012 13:01 iamho wrote:
Wow no offense OP but you definitely seem like the dick in this story. I see you're still in high school, are you one of those easily-offended Richard Dawkins types of atheists?


No.

I'm mostly upset about the double visit by giant people.
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intrigue
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Washington, D.C9933 Posts
December 19 2012 05:51 GMT
#74
are you sure you just don't like tall people? it sure sounds like if your visitors had been short instead there would be no problem. blessed is your life, for this to be something you feel so strongly about. grats
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Ansinjunger
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2451 Posts
December 19 2012 05:51 GMT
#75
On December 19 2012 13:56 Praetorial wrote:
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On December 19 2012 13:01 iamho wrote:
Wow no offense OP but you definitely seem like the dick in this story. I see you're still in high school, are you one of those easily-offended Richard Dawkins types of atheists?


No.

I'm mostly upset about the double visit by giant people.


You could try requesting that they send smaller men to your door next time, though I don't think you'll be too successful if you specifically request women.

@farvacola: The Book of Mormon has far less polygamy than the Bible (Old Testamant). I don't remember any instances of the main people practicing it (maybe the people of Jared, i.e., the story in the Book of Ether), and I'm pretty sure some of them spoke out against it when it was not authorized. Feel free to correct, but: Abraham and his son and grandson were all about having kids through multiple women. I don't know if they were even considered wives or just concubines or whatever, but that's where the twelve tribes of Israel came from.

@DaPHreaK: "Muhana you ugly." Another cult Mormon film is called "Defiance," though it's super cheesy and uses the Danny Elfman Batman music.

OP, if you show a hint that you're an investigator of the church, you can expect missionaries to show up. Sometimes, they bring along a third person, whether it's an older guy helping out or a younger guy preparing for his mission.

Think of it like when they give "free" knives at some display in the mall or store. You have to listen to their spiel first

As to the specifics of your encounter, you obviously can't count on every person, Mormon or otherwise, to be on their best behavior 100% of the time, but it really sounds like you're overreacting.
Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
December 19 2012 05:52 GMT
#76
JWs come to my house pretty frequently even though I tell them I'm not interested every time. What's more frustrating is that they always leave little pamphlets that are basically titled things like "we can help you actually enjoy your life!, "tired of living in poverty?" "you don't need to life without post-secondary education", etc. It's just very insulting that they think they know me just because I live in a lower-class part of town. To be frank, I'm happy with my job/education and love the place I live >.>
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dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
December 19 2012 05:56 GMT
#77
johhny lingo had a cow,
trade it for any ugly wife,
johnny lingo sorry now,
he be sorry all his life!
MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10341 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-19 06:05:45
December 19 2012 06:03 GMT
#78
On December 19 2012 14:52 Grobyc wrote:
JWs come to my house pretty frequently even though I tell them I'm not interested every time. What's more frustrating is that they always leave little pamphlets that are basically titled things like "we can help you actually enjoy your life!, "tired of living in poverty?" "you don't need to life without post-secondary education", etc. It's just very insulting that they think they know me just because I live in a lower-class part of town. To be frank, I'm happy with my job/education and love the place I live >.>

Yeah, I had this same feeling. I lived in a poorer area (just a few blocks up), and religious solicitors were rampant. Now I live in a less poor area (again, just a few blocks away) and not a knock.

And yeah, their "literature" is full of, "tired of your life sucking?" Gee, exploiting my fears and insecurities? You guys must have marketing degrees.

EDIT: and does anyone else love their depictions of heaven? My last pamphlet had a bunch of white people, flowers, a log cabin, a mountain view, trees, a valley, and a fucking tiger all in the same scene!
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Infested__Marine
Profile Joined December 2012
United States29 Posts
December 19 2012 06:28 GMT
#79

Hehehe Them "Mormons" are cleaver folk. Dat Advertising!

My name is Infested__Marine.

"I am a gamer, a college student, an athlete, and a Teamliquid forum poster.
... and I'm a Mormon! "

BOOM!

Haha The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. They know their advertising.
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MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10341 Posts
December 19 2012 06:37 GMT
#80
On December 19 2012 15:28 Infested__Marine wrote:

Hehehe Them "Mormons" are cleaver folk. Dat Advertising!

My name is Infested__Marine.

"I am a gamer, a college student, an athlete, and a Teamliquid forum poster.
... and I'm a Mormon! "

BOOM!

Haha The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. They know their advertising.

Yeah they're all over buses in my area, too. I always notice in those particular ads, they don't use your average unattractive fat American. Hi, I watch TV all day and pretty much let my kids do what they want, maybe I'll yell at 'em but I try not to stand up. I eat McDonald's everyday. I'm also a fourth-generation welfare recipient... And I'm a Mormon.
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