Mormons(and why I hate them) - Page 3

On December 19 2012 10:15 Caihead wrote:


You poor man. One of the only perks of being raised myself in post Mao China is the freedom and privilege knowing that my generation was raised with extremely minimalism religious influences as long as you are intelligent enough to see through the nationalist bull shit personality cult (which is pretty much everybody). If anything good came out of the cultural revolution it has to be the annihilation of religion (just because they were competition for Mao's personality cult, but nevertheless).

On December 19 2012 10:23 koreasilver wrote:

That doesn't really solve anything, North Korean refuges to South Korea are well documented to convert to some kind of religion with some fervor because they feel the need to fill in the void that was once occupied by the KJI cult of personality.

On December 19 2012 10:22 farvacola wrote:

Well, in my opinion, one of the most useful frames of reference with which to behold the Bible, or any other religious text for that matter, is that which keeps the course of human history, society, and culture in mind. What I mean is that the Bible informs an incredible amount of Western historical procession, from moral logic to formal governmental progression to the concept that knowledge is valuable and worth pursuing, and accordingly I think understanding proper Biblical exegesis, be it secular or religious, helps to understand some of the roots of contemporary society. In fact, to put it in a certain sense, you and I, even though from entirely places and backgrounds, share a degree of familiarity that is necessarily entangled with the Bible via our respective cultural histories.

The book of Mormon carries with it no deep roots, no great story to tell in reference to the track of human history. No, instead it tells the tale of angry, marginalized polygamists who were willing to believe practically anything if that meant that they could feel ok about their self-superiority and odd proclivities. Mormonism's history and books speak for themselves in a way Christianity cannot, for they are not worth knowing for any other reason than their criticism or admiration. This all being said, I do not hold the beliefs of others against them and would never look down upon a Mormon simply for their faith, and I have personally known both admirable and contemptible followers. But, when a Mormon wants to talk comparative theology, I will not hold back.

No. Go away, you creeps. Get with the modern age and use internet to answer high schooler's emails, not three(!) pious hulks to my doorstep.

On December 19 2012 10:17 dAPhREAk wrote:

jack fucking mormon you mean. i see your handle is just a call for help from the oppressiveness of the doctrine and covenants.

On December 19 2012 10:32 MountainDewJunkie wrote:

You've always been my biggest critic

No, the teachings of the church itself are not oppressive (although are as absurd most beliefs), it's the culture that's the problem. Being mormon is a complete commitment of all your spare time and energy, not a see-you-next-Sunday kind of class. You are instructed to only have mormon friends, and if not, convert your non-mormon friends so now you don't have to feel bad about hanging out with non-mormons. Youth Firesides, Youth Conferences, Youth Dances, youth planning meetings, Boy Scouts, seminary (it's 5-day a week Bible school in high school, all four years), youth night, priesthood meeting, fast offerings, fasting, tithing, and temple work (oh Lord...). It went from, "Do good works" to "YOUR ASS IS FREE SPIRITUAL LABOR ON DEMAND"

I imagine it's even worse for the women, who still have shitload of work but stress the importance of being a good mormon wife and mother, since that's all they're allowed to do.

On December 19 2012 10:37 Praetorial wrote:
O.o

Guys

plz don't do this

On December 19 2012 10:36 Caihead wrote:


It's not oppression in the sense of a class struggle or one party subjugating another, but oppression in terms of ideology. You can apply the same definition of oppression and say that in alot of cases the middle class is oppressed into wallowing in mundane mediocrity and forced to work for no appreciable gain or progress from cradle to grave. The mormon ideology is definitely oppressive, any ideology that dictates how an individual has to act down to every minute detail is oppressive, even if the ideology's values are good.

The book of Mormon carries with it no deep roots, no great story to tell in reference to the track of human history. No, instead it tells the tale of angry, marginalized polygamists who were willing to believe practically anything if that meant that they could feel ok about their self-superiority and odd proclivities. Mormonism's history and books speak for themselves in a way Christianity cannot, for they are not worth knowing for any other reason than their criticism or admiration. This all being said, I do not hold the beliefs of others against them and would never look down upon a Mormon simply for their faith, and I have personally known both admirable and contemptible followers. But, when a Mormon wants to talk comparative theology, I will not hold back.

On December 19 2012 10:38 Caihead wrote:


You made a blog called "Mormons(and why I hate them)" so I'm gonna hate on some Mormons god dammit. :3

On December 19 2012 10:44 MountainDewJunkie wrote:

Nonono you misunderstand. I was responding to daphreak who implied my entire schtick is based on being an oppressed mormon. I don't disagree with what you said, but my point was that the dogmatic interpretations of the Bible, Joe Smitty, and the BOM created a culture of eat-breathe-live mormons, when original ideas of the church (that changed on a dime, thanks to Joe's "infallibility") was of works and community and love (even if he was just some guy that wanted his own church and money, that's another discussion, I'm just saying it used to be about the positives).

You know, it's kind of like the people that call themselves Christians. but obviously skipped the part of the bible where Jesus actually spoke. You know, the love, forgiveness, grace, charity. Fuck that, you have to follow OUR rules to get into heaven. Wear this, do this, drink this, don't touch yourself, and so on. At least some Christians are actually true to the name.

On December 19 2012 10:48 Caihead wrote:


That's a pretty generalized statement... How many of those who champion modern free market economies even knows what Adam Smith referred to when he mentioned "invisible hand" in wealth of nations? How many of those who mindlessly defend the American constitution even knows the individual views of the founding fathers and the historical context? Any beliefs system gets bogged down overtime with corrupted bureaucracies and obscene misrepresentation for private gain.

On December 19 2012 10:47 Wrongspeedy wrote:


Not the biggest fan of any super religious people (go go spirituality without religion!), but it sounds like they were just being nice and doing their job. Did you talk to them much? Or did you really just close the door on them immediately? Did you ask for the Bible you ordered? I feel like you left some key stuff out of your blog. Its nice someone would take the time to come out and talk to someone who might be interested in talking and it doesn't sound like they just invited themselves in (or at least you didn't say that).

I have a friend who was raised Mormon, who does not think of himself as a Mormon nor did his brother, anyways his brother died of heroin overdose a few months ago and the head of their LDS church came to make sure their mom was alright. Tons of people from her church left food and treats at her house for like a week straight. Seems straight barbaric! They do seem to get into each others business a little bit but sometimes thats a good thing. Sometimes people don't want other people around at the same time they need them.