I used to love Starcraft 2. I made marines, stim, and combat shields. I believed it was the future of e-Sports. Now I can no longer compete at a decent level. Perhaps my macro is bad or perhaps I'm just jaded. I've been playing the HotS beta for sometime and I feel like the Rodney Dangerfield of Terran, I just can't get no respect.
36% I hear is the win rate for TvZ in GSL. But I never really had issues with Zerg, moreso with Protoss. I never understood how players like Elfi can have 10 apm and be competitive, while I'm struggling with my 120apm. I never understood how Dustin Browder told me personally that having a +1 on sentry armor was good for the game. I never knew why he nerfed Terran and the Protoss and Zerg feasted on my tears as I got worse, and they got stronger. And I never knew how the core army of a Terran army did not consist of tanks versus Protoss.
I've smashed headsets, I've smashed keyboards, I've punched pillows, and I've thrown objects at the wall. I watched replays after replays of successful players and attempted to emulate their play, albeit a bit slowly.
I don't understand David Kim and Dustin Browder as they tell me that Starcraft 2 is a fun game. Perhaps I never understood Starcraft 2, and after two years, perhaps I never will.
Glad to see that people are starting the feel the way I have been feeling for a while now. i recently gave up on sc2. Its just such a clusterfuck shitfest that i'd rather just go to school, work, and play league until i hear that every one of blizzards current employees have been fired for making diablo 3 terrible, starcraft II terrible (and even worse as time went on), and HotS not even worth buying. They do a terrible job marketing themselves so the community is constantly getting smaller, they do not know how to balance a game (they only balance by ladder statistics and the gsl... come the fuck on now.. -_-), and they do not know when to admit that they're wrong.
I like the direction of the game, and approve of their balance methods. Doesn't make the game fun though. SC2 is just a video game lacking fun, not depth of strategy or balance.
I've smashed headsets, I've smashed keyboards, I've punched pillows, and I've thrown objects at the wall. I watched replays after replays of successful players and attempted to emulate their play, albeit a bit slowly.
I don't understand David Kim and Dustin Browder as they tell me that Starcraft 2 is a fun game.
You think a game should be fun to you because someone else tells you it's fun or because someone else has an easier time winning? It doesn't sound like you enjoy playing the game at all if all you do is compare yourself to other people. I mean of course everyone wants to get better, but it's not like this is your career here. If you can't do it, you can't do it. Play SC2 for what it is: a game.
Breaking shit because you are too emotionally unstable to deal with *gasp* losing in a video game should be a sign that you need to take a good hard look at yourself and your priorities.
I've smashed headsets, I've smashed keyboards, I've punched pillows, and I've thrown objects at the wall. I watched replays after replays of successful players and attempted to emulate their play, albeit a bit slowly.
I don't understand David Kim and Dustin Browder as they tell me that Starcraft 2 is a fun game.
You think a game should be fun to you because someone else tells you it's fun or because someone else has an easier time winning? It doesn't sound like you enjoy playing the game at all if all you do is compare yourself to other people. I mean of course everyone wants to get better, but it's not like this is your career here. If you can't do it, you can't do it. Play SC2 for what it is: a game.
games are supposed to be fun. thats the point. if its not fun, then there is no point in playing it. sc2 is just not a fun game to play anymore. its cool to watch if terran is playing (not being biased, its true that most people dont like matchups without terran because they're boring.), but otherwise, im good.
changes are coming. I think people forget how long it took BW to be balanced. It took literally near 10 years, to have the last balance patch. People are too hasty to jump on the SC2 is shit train when it is actually a great game that just needs developing, balancing, and has tons of potential.
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On December 01 2012 10:46 docvoc wrote: changes are coming. I think people forget how long it took BW to be balanced. It took literally near 10 years, to have the last balance patch. People are too hasty to jump on the SC2 is shit train when it is actually a great game that just needs developing, balancing, and has tons of potential.
Incorrect, the last brood war balance patch came out in 1.08 near 2001. The ones after that were just ui/bugfix type patches. But yeah, I doubt Blizzard will balance SC2 within the next 3-4 years.
On December 01 2012 10:46 docvoc wrote: changes are coming. I think people forget how long it took BW to be balanced. It took literally near 10 years, to have the last balance patch. People are too hasty to jump on the SC2 is shit train when it is actually a great game that just needs developing, balancing, and has tons of potential.
No, it didn't take "10 years" for BroodWar to be balanced. None of the post-2001 patches affected gameplay. SC2 has undergone more patches than SC Vanilla and BroodWar combined, with most of the patches altering units and buildings directly. It's impossible to understand a game where the very fundamental aspects of play are constantly being altered.
On December 01 2012 09:57 Leth0 wrote: Breaking shit because you are too emotionally unstable to deal with *gasp* losing in a video game should be a sign that you need to take a good hard look at yourself and your priorities.
I'm glad you rode in one your white horse of superior morality to let everyone know where their priorities should lie. Because gosh, having goals in a competitive game and then not meeting them should never elicit a negative response, because hey, you're such a cool guy that you're not tied down by "goals" or "trying". Everyone should take a page out of your b... oh, you're nuked, nevermind.
I'm glad you rode in one your white horse of superior morality to let everyone know where their priorities should lie. Because gosh, having goals in a competitive game and then not meeting them should never elicit a negative response, because hey, you're such a cool guy that you're not tied down by "goals" or "trying". Everyone should take a page out of your b... oh, you're nuked, nevermind.
Thank you for understanding. To understand that passion and desire to get better, I appreciate it. Now I've just transitioned into a management role of a team rather than to play games competitively. Now I hope to nurture talent and help them through the difficult process of attempting to be a professional gamer.
Welp...time to move on to League of Legends? . I hear its actually fun to play, won't that be exciting? Playing a game because its fun AND because it has competition?
Just kidding (a bit). I feel like so many fell into the trap of thinking SC2 was going to be the next best thing, and so many tried to like it, just based on a pure assumption that it would be as good or better than Starcraft 1 and Brood War were. I think it takes time for people to realize, that Blizzard isn't really the same anymore. They're working with different directors and designers, as Blizzard North wasn't involved in it at all to the best of my knowledge (or only on small parts).
On December 01 2012 11:50 radscorpion9 wrote: Welp...time to move on to League of Legends? . I hear its actually fun to play, won't that be exciting? Playing a game because its fun AND because it has competition?
Just kidding (a bit). I feel like so many fell into the trap of thinking SC2 was going to be the next best thing, and so many tried to like it, just based on a pure assumption that it would be as good or better than Starcraft 1 and Brood War were. I think it takes time for people to realize, that Blizzard isn't really the same anymore. They're working with different directors and designers, as Blizzard North wasn't involved in it at all to the best of my knowledge (or only on small parts).
In terms of design, I think that League is a cheap copy of DOTA and HoN. League is not the future of e-Sports or competitive play.
On December 01 2012 11:50 radscorpion9 wrote: Welp...time to move on to League of Legends? . I hear its actually fun to play, won't that be exciting? Playing a game because its fun AND because it has competition?
Just kidding (a bit). I feel like so many fell into the trap of thinking SC2 was going to be the next best thing, and so many tried to like it, just based on a pure assumption that it would be as good or better than Starcraft 1 and Brood War were. I think it takes time for people to realize, that Blizzard isn't really the same anymore. They're working with different directors and designers, as Blizzard North wasn't involved in it at all to the best of my knowledge (or only on small parts).
In terms of design, I think that League is a cheap copy of DOTA and HoN. League is not the future of e-Sports or competitive play.
I've given up on multiplayer RTS period. It's just not enjoyable, and takes up way too much time
I encourage you to try Brood War! You'll be able to use tanks against Protoss and never have to worry about balance changes screwing you over. Of course the game can be demoralizing in its own right...
On December 01 2012 09:57 Leth0 wrote: Breaking shit because you are too emotionally unstable to deal with *gasp* losing in a video game should be a sign that you need to take a good hard look at yourself and your priorities.
I'm glad you rode in one your white horse of superior morality to let everyone know where their priorities should lie. Because gosh, having goals in a competitive game and then not meeting them should never elicit a negative response, because hey, you're such a cool guy that you're not tied down by "goals" or "trying". Everyone should take a page out of your b... oh, you're nuked, nevermind.
Well, I'm not nuked, so I'll say that he's right, albeit a bit harsh. Of course not living up to your goals/expectations will elicit a negative response. I'm sometimes furious after a loss too, because I know I should be better than losing to whatever I lost to. But that's as far as it goes; channel that anger into motivation to practice harder, don't channel that anger into physically breaking your own keyboard or whatever. I feel like if you're not a spoiled 10-year-old, throwing your toys at the wall when you lose a game is just unacceptable, end of story.
I gave up on StarCraft 2 as well, and I played Zerg, lol. When I quit, Zerg was probably the best race. At least ZvT seemed to be about 55 / 45 in favour of Zerg.
Anyway, that's not even the reason I quit. I quit because the game fucking bores me. I considered switching to Terran since I think it's a more fun race, but when I realized that mech was probably the best way to play TvZ on most maps, I gave up (Because I find mech boring in SC2).
I've given up on multiplayer RTS period. It's just not enjoyable, and takes up way too much time
Speak for yourself, asshole. I have more fun playing StarCraft 1 than anything else. As for time, StarCraft (1) is a magnificent and (in the right hands) beautiful art. Of course it takes time, just like learning a musical instrument takes time. And of course it's not fun until you start getting good. If you're not going to put in time and effort, what's the point of doing anything at all?
changes are coming. I think people forget how long it took BW to be balanced. It took literally near 10 years, to have the last balance patch. People are too hasty to jump on the SC2 is shit train when it is actually a great game that just needs developing, balancing, and has tons of potential.
No. People tend to forget how few patches Brood War got. It took three years after the release of the original game. The last balance patch was released in 2001. StarCraft was released in 1998. Brood War was released in 1999. And the total amount of balance patches was less than 5.
I understand that this is a QQ blog but there are levels and levels of QQ. Saying that you are a better player than an Assembly winner and "dragged down" by your race is pretty stupid even if you are angry. See you 2morrow when you are not so pissed about losing a game on the BEAT ( see that, it's beta, it's no supposed to be balanced ) ladder.
Holy shit I feel the same way. I just blame the fact that I haven't played much as an excuse for my rusty mechanics. I wish something would be done about balance, though. It does feel like I have to try really hard to actually win.
On December 01 2012 15:49 Aterons_toss wrote: I understand that this is a QQ blog but there are levels and levels of QQ. Saying that you are a better player than an Assembly winner and "dragged down" by your race is pretty stupid even if you are angry. See you 2morrow when you are not so pissed about losing a game on the BEAT ( see that, it's beta, it's no supposed to be balanced ) ladder.
I appreciate your lack of contribution to a creative thread. I never said I was better than Elfi, and Elfi never won an Assembly. He lost to Thorzain. And yes Thorzain is light years a better player than Elfi, and yet by terrible game design, not balance, Elfi was competitive. I appreciate the trolling, but in the words of Fred Durst, "Keep Trollin, trollin, trollin."
Well, I'm not nuked, so I'll say that he's right, albeit a bit harsh. Of course not living up to your goals/expectations will elicit a negative response. I'm sometimes furious after a loss too, because I know I should be better than losing to whatever I lost to. But that's as far as it goes; channel that anger into motivation to practice harder, don't channel that anger into physically breaking your own keyboard or whatever. I feel like if you're not a spoiled 10-year-old, throwing your toys at the wall when you lose a game is just unacceptable, end of story.
Day9 has broken equipment. Idra has smashed headsets. Is it acceptable behavior? No, but it comes out of my wallet. Get off your high horse.
I pretty much gave up on it for good back in May when the queen range came along. Completely killed TvZ for me and the other matchups for pretty bullshit as well. I honestly thought they would revert it because it was so ridiculous when it came out. Nope, Blizzard is satisfied by it. Reminds me of Diablo 3, they promise they will do all these things but once the copies are sold and the months pass on by they really couldn't give a shit about it.
It isn't anything like brood war. For the 2 years or so that I played SC2, I was waiting for something to click like what I felt in BW. I never got any of that, it's just a really bland RTS where you follow rigid builds game after game. That isn't fun to me. I miss the BW days of where I would spend hours analyzing games from replays or vods, or all the fun I had playing UMS maps with friends for hours and hours.
For awhile I thought it was going to be the next big RTS, and it was for awhile. With all the horrible changes they have done thought, I don't think thats going to happen, especially since HotS looks just as bland and boring and WoL does now. I haven't played a game of SC2 months and I don't plan of buying HotS, and I'm not alone in thinking that.
I used to think the same way about protoss when they can just warp in x amount of gateway units wherever they have pylon radius, not to mention once it gets to late game, it is so easy to just a move to win while terran has to spread, emp everything
So now I focus on perfecting my opening to gain advantage in early stage and try to kill him and macro damn hard before he can unleash that crazy HT colossus ball
On December 01 2012 09:57 Leth0 wrote: Breaking shit because you are too emotionally unstable to deal with *gasp* losing in a video game should be a sign that you need to take a good hard look at yourself and your priorities.
I'm glad you rode in one your white horse of superior morality to let everyone know where their priorities should lie. Because gosh, having goals in a competitive game and then not meeting them should never elicit a negative response, because hey, you're such a cool guy that you're not tied down by "goals" or "trying". Everyone should take a page out of your b... oh, you're nuked, nevermind.
Well, I'm not nuked, so I'll say that he's right, albeit a bit harsh. Of course not living up to your goals/expectations will elicit a negative response. I'm sometimes furious after a loss too, because I know I should be better than losing to whatever I lost to. But that's as far as it goes; channel that anger into motivation to practice harder, don't channel that anger into physically breaking your own keyboard or whatever. I feel like if you're not a spoiled 10-year-old, throwing your toys at the wall when you lose a game is just unacceptable, end of story.
Then, if anything, you should be more empathetic, not less. Whatever the case, I should point out that most people are not the epitome of mental fortitude like yourself, and cannot simply "channel that anger into motivation to practice harder". Many people do not internalize their anger, and depending on their backgrounds (For example, maybe had an abusive parent) can manifest a variety of off-color responses.
But let's play Devil's Advocate for a moment, and say that Player One (Let's call him Greg) decides to channel all his anger into more practice. Greg is playing very normally one day, and all of a sudden, proxy Stargates. Furiousness ensues. So Greg decides to practice harder. During his practice games, and he loses yet more, causing more frustration, but again, he channels it into yet more practice. During this period of more practice, he receives yet more losses, and thus begins a cycle of increasing his practice to ridiculous proportions. Although this could become an infinite loop, the human mind can only take so much stress, before the body's adrenal glands release adrenaline into the blood stream. This reaction, coupled with anger, and combined with the brain being able to process rationally due to elevated levels of stress, and combined with a rush of adrenaline, MAY just lead to Greg suddenly behaving irrationally and/or destructively, sometimes leading to broken items.
For those that are disappointed with SC2 for whatever reason and those who have been told the lie that it is the greatest RTS currently available, and for those who would rather pull out their own nails rather than play LOL, there is the greatest RTS available today. Supcom FA, the most underrated RTS out there, the most misunderstood, but there for those who have a mind of their own.
On December 01 2012 11:50 radscorpion9 wrote: Welp...time to move on to League of Legends? . I hear its actually fun to play, won't that be exciting? Playing a game because its fun AND because it has competition?
Just kidding (a bit). I feel like so many fell into the trap of thinking SC2 was going to be the next best thing, and so many tried to like it, just based on a pure assumption that it would be as good or better than Starcraft 1 and Brood War were. I think it takes time for people to realize, that Blizzard isn't really the same anymore. They're working with different directors and designers, as Blizzard North wasn't involved in it at all to the best of my knowledge (or only on small parts).
In terms of design, I think that League is a cheap copy of DOTA and HoN. League is not the future of e-Sports or competitive play.
Some people find it fun. If you are planing on going pro, then a game being the future of e-Sports is definitely something to consider. However when I purchase a game (League is free isn't it?) I don't consider whether or not it is the future of e-Sports. I consider whether or not it looks like something that is fun.
If you don't think SC2 is fun, or the future of e-sports then you should try a bunch of different games until you find something that you have fun with. You can do some research on new Steam games or check some review aggregation sites to find something that you may like.
I enjoyed the part where 4 bunkers don't stop an immortal all-in. But perhaps the new proposed changes can bring me back to the scene...but I'm not holding my breath.
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. I hear its actually fun to play, won't that be exciting? Playing a game because its fun AND because it has competition?
