EPTAxiom Statement - Page 5
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KivTM
Australia90 Posts
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mrtomjones
Canada4020 Posts
On October 21 2012 21:24 Shival wrote: I am deeply disappointed in the statement released by TotalBisquit/Axiom/Crank. First of all it's solely an audio recording, even though he's reading it verbatim. Thus a written account must exist. Why is that written account not released to the public, as that's how one should release statements in this situation. While I do applaud your effort for releasing audio, solely it's just not enough. Secondly, it's solely based on Crank's words. No so called chatlogs or evidence has been released by TotalBisquit which he did allude to earlier. This entire statement is a farce and not nearly enough to dispell any accusations. Because it's an audio statement it will take me a while to transcript parts of it to respond to, but I'll try to make an effort to show where I feel it's insufficient or simply a faulty thought process. Wow you are ridiculous. Most of what Crank has said seems to be based on personal conversations. A lot of what Jessica has said was based on conversations too. You can either choose to believe Crank which seems fairly plausible to me or not but getting mad about TB doing it in audio form is retarded. | ||
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mrtomjones
Canada4020 Posts
On October 22 2012 01:13 KivTM wrote: I like you total biscuit but I thought it was a poor statement. Very little evidence, a whole lot of sympathy fishing and no specifics on how exactly the team was being mismanaged. I also disagree with you when you say that it would be difficult for a few players to bring down an oranisation. Once a seed of mistrust is planted, it stays there especially if planted by influential players like MMA. Saying that, the main reason of disbanding was probably due to what Manager J told the players about Jessica embezzling money (which I can't believe because it doesnt make any sense for Boxer to spend loads of cash to form a team just to steal from the players) Without picking a side anyone could tell that stuff was not good in Slayers at a certain point. Even before they had to bench MMA and such there were things that looked bad for them. | ||
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kunstderfugue
Mexico375 Posts
All in all, i'd just like CranK to be a bit more calmed down, and make sure he's relaxed and in a pleasurable ambience before doing any more statements. Emotion-driven words are the cause of all this drama (cfr. Jessica). | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On October 22 2012 01:13 KivTM wrote: I like you total biscuit but I thought it was a poor statement. Very little evidence, a whole lot of sympathy fishing and no specifics on how exactly the team was being mismanaged. I also disagree with you when you say that it would be difficult for a few players to bring down an oranisation. Once a seed of mistrust is planted, it stays there especially if planted by influential players like MMA. Saying that, the main reason of disbanding was probably due to what Manager J told the players about Jessica embezzling money (which I can't believe because it doesnt make any sense for Boxer to spend loads of cash to form a team just to steal from the players) On the topic of Manager J. I wouldn't flat-out call something the main reason. I would look for the starting point of where it went south and the embezzling of money Manager J is a pretty good starting point if you ask me. Let alone the hiring. Some people are too trustworthy and in many cases they shouldn't be hiring anyone. There's a reason why recruitment firms/head hunter business has been booming for the last thirty years. It's because HR doesn't get the job done. My Mom's always joked about people in HR and how they can never make good head hunters. For reference she's been in the business for well over forty years as a president from everything from Hays Personnel, Saber Consulting, Design Group, CNC, etc. Unfortunately we're talking about small businesses (I even have a hard time calling them that). If it's not KeSPA in many cases it's completely entrepreneurial with only a few exceptions like FXO. You really need to have a firm pulse on your team and good thing Genna isn't looking to hire anyone soon. You do need to be a control freak when it's your own business. Jessica has some qualities of what I would call a good manager (she's passionate and she's a control freak) but not all. Anyway, I'm going to call the guy in question simply J because he simply doesn't deserve to be called a manager, which is almost ironic. The guy should have never been apart of the team in the first place. The lines of communication and player mistrust really started to breakdown with him. This doesn't mean he was the main reason however as there were many moving pieces to the puzzle that made this blow up. It's only a starting point. | ||
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Sabu113
United States11047 Posts
This statement seems to fall in line with what we already know about jessica. | ||
itsjustatank
Hong Kong9153 Posts
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Balgrog
United States1221 Posts
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KivTM
Australia90 Posts
On October 22 2012 01:30 StarStruck wrote: On the topic of Manager J. I wouldn't flat-out call something the main reason. I would look for the starting point of where it went south and the embezzling of money Manager J is a pretty good starting point if you ask me. Let alone the hiring. Some people are too trustworthy and in many cases they shouldn't be hiring anyone. There's a reason why recruitment firms/head hunter business has been booming for the last thirty years. It's because HR doesn't get the job done. My Mom's always joked about people in HR and how they can never make good head hunters. For reference she's been in the business for well over forty years as a president from everything from Hays Personnel, Saber Consulting, Design Group, CNC, etc. Unfortunately we're talking about small businesses (I even have a hard time calling them that). If it's not KeSPA in many cases it's completely entrepreneurial with only a few exceptions like FXO. You really need to have a firm pulse on your team and good thing Genna isn't looking to hire anyone soon. You do need to be a control freak when it's your own business. Jessica has some qualities of what I would call a good manager (she's passionate and she's a control freak) but not all. Anyway, I'm going to call the guy in question simply J because he simply doesn't deserve to be called a manager, which is almost ironic. The guy should have never been apart of the team in the first place. The lines of communication and player mistrust really started to breakdown with him. This doesn't mean he was the main reason however as there were many moving pieces to the puzzle that made this blow up. It's only a starting point. But isnt that exactly what qualifies it as the main reason? There were many other reasons of course but they were not as consequential as this one. Either way its a technicality of wording. I think we're both saying the same thing. There has been alot of discussion about whether or not Jessica was correct to hire manager J. Personally I think that hiring a person you have only known for 3 months to handle negotiations with sponsors is a bit naive especially when that person had only previously been doing minor tasks like managing the facebook team page. Still, I don't know what kind of relationship they had. Maybe they developed a good rapport with one another and he did his jobs well so Jessica decided to give him a chance. It's hard to lay fault at Jessica's feet for hiring an untrustworthy person when she had reason to think otherwise (if everyone played it as safe as me, there'd be nothing like hitch hiking in this world). Off topic, can your mum find me a job lol. Damn near impossible for a engineering grad to find entry level position work these days =[ | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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Intricacy
United States218 Posts
As owner and manager of Axiom, I would like to say that even though Jessica has issued a response to our statement, we refuse to engage in a drawn out drama that would have little actual benefit to anyone. Right now, we are focusing on our upcoming November schedule where CranK will compete at MLG Dallas, Lonestar Clash 2 and IPL5. Thank you to those who have listened to our statement with an open mind. | ||
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ch33psh33p
7650 Posts
I wish both sides would actually own up for once. Equally. | ||
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jellyjello
Korea (South)664 Posts
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shiroiusagi
SoCal, USA3955 Posts
On October 22 2012 02:14 jellyjello wrote: TB, you don't understand how big of a mess Mr. Won created when he isolated slayers by imposing other teams from practicing. Bullying is no fucking joke here in Korea. Ever wondered why all those players in TSL wanted to get the fuck out of the team a while ago? Yeah... That's right, the same reason why slayers were seemingly losing players for a dubious reason. For you to state that bullying from eSF was only a part of the problem indicates that you simply don't get it, because bullying was THE problem and Mr. Won knew exactly what he wanted to accomplish when he issued the banning. And TSL is still around. | ||
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[NSL]BansheeHero
Czech Republic143 Posts
Statement from Axiom is great. Statement from Crank (Provided by Axiom/TB) is terrible. I do not want to read a bundle of tears. I expect TB to help him edit it from a PR perspective. But still good thing they made it. | ||
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SaWse
Belgium102 Posts
On October 22 2012 00:55 StarStruck wrote: She's a control freak and she wouldn't win anything at all. The expenses for hiring a lawyer to even take this to court is a joke. She would receive no compensation and that's one of the reasons why. Hey, well we're disbanding the team so why not make it public so people can go nuts. It's doesn't paint a pretty picture. She's getting out of the business so why not and let everyone else deal with it. It's pretty selfish. Yes, we've seen her throw around lawsuits left and right like it's no thing, but at the end of the day. Come on, come on now. Pretty sure she was sick and tired of everyone on tl and reddit blaming everything that happened to slayers on her. While that was far from the truth. | ||
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
Because they immediately took action. Glad they did, i'm positive SlayerS could still be around either if they would have complained more (and if that didn't help then publicize it, the community has a lot of power). That is, if the bullying of SlayerS truely was the main reason of all the problems and if it existed on a large scale. | ||
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CaneCorso
Bulgaria7 Posts
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Megabuster123
Canada1837 Posts
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Soap
Brazil1546 Posts
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