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Frost
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Korea (South)1042 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-22 23:53:48
October 22 2012 23:51 GMT
#221
OH look. Sorry for being a psychic as mentioned by someone above for saying TB will look silly for supporting Crank who, as I have just seen the text of the recorded call, is one disrespectful, lying kid.
Deleted User 101379
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
4849 Posts
October 22 2012 23:58 GMT
#222
On October 23 2012 08:51 Frost wrote:
OH look. Sorry for being a psychic as mentioned by someone above for saying TB will look silly for supporting Crank who, as I have just seen the text of the recorded call, is one disrespectful, lying kid.


Source?
Frost
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Korea (South)1042 Posts
October 23 2012 00:04 GMT
#223
On October 23 2012 08:58 Morfildur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2012 08:51 Frost wrote:
OH look. Sorry for being a psychic as mentioned by someone above for saying TB will look silly for supporting Crank who, as I have just seen the text of the recorded call, is one disrespectful, lying kid.


Source?


http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?id=1319744&board=&category=102&subcategory=&page=1&best=&searchmode=&search=&orderby=&token=

You'll have to wait for the translation unless you can speak Korean like me.
Jaaaaasper
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States10225 Posts
October 23 2012 01:28 GMT
#224
And crank looks like crap again, this keeps getting better and better. TB is Crank disputing the way the phone call was transcribed?
Hey do you want to hear a joke? Chinese production value. | I thought he had a aegis- Ayesee | When did 7ing mad last have a good game, 2012?
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
October 23 2012 01:44 GMT
#225
Actually, the phone call does absolutely nothing but corroborate what Crank said already + make Crank look bad for disrespect. It's just that Jessica released it, so people think it's actually a big deal and supports her position when it's ... not. I mean, aside from the disrespect, I suppose, but in terms of hard facts, there is nothing in there that Crank didn't already cover.
Jaaaaasper
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States10225 Posts
October 23 2012 01:50 GMT
#226
Don't get me wrong I understand that it isn't anything huge, but the biggest blow may be the disrespect itself, at least in Korea.
Hey do you want to hear a joke? Chinese production value. | I thought he had a aegis- Ayesee | When did 7ing mad last have a good game, 2012?
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33675 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-23 01:58:14
October 23 2012 01:56 GMT
#227
I'm willing to believe that Crank thinks he was honest, that he really had no intent to 'ditch' SlayerS to seek fame and fortune abroad. But in effect, if what ended up happening looks exactly like that, how can Jessica be blamed for feeling betrayed? Which is not to say that I believe Jessica was justified for going nuclear with this entire situation, but there is definitely fault on Crank's part as well.
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OpticalShot
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada6330 Posts
October 23 2012 01:59 GMT
#228
Just read the released phone conversation log regarding that "58 minute call". Looks summarized but article states to have all important facts in it at the best of the reporter's ability. Korean Source

My impression... Crank has victim mentality issues, maybe augmented by the situation he's in. If nothing's up by the next hour or two maybe I'll do a full translation.
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TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
October 23 2012 03:25 GMT
#229
On October 23 2012 10:28 Jaaaaasper wrote:
And crank looks like crap again, this keeps getting better and better. TB is Crank disputing the way the phone call was transcribed?


We're not interested in commenting on drama for dramas sake, since it's literally killing eSports. We made a statement for a reason and we stand by that statement. It's as simple as that.
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
openbox1
Profile Joined March 2011
1393 Posts
October 23 2012 04:00 GMT
#230
On October 23 2012 12:25 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2012 10:28 Jaaaaasper wrote:
And crank looks like crap again, this keeps getting better and better. TB is Crank disputing the way the phone call was transcribed?


We're not interested in commenting on drama for dramas sake, since it's literally killing eSports. We made a statement for a reason and we stand by that statement. It's as simple as that.


You might want to chill on the other threads though. No disrespect but at this point some people are practically baiting you and getting the response they want. If you think Jessica overreacted, then shouldn't you take a deep breath and show that you do things differently?
Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-23 09:03:30
October 23 2012 08:59 GMT
#231
I fullheartly agree with your opinion, instead of looking to blame others, as management you should always start with yourself and then look further.

Instead all we read is finger pointing at others and not a single bit of self reflection. If you want to manage a team you also have to take responsibility in account be it good or bad.
ImNightmare
Profile Joined May 2012
1575 Posts
October 23 2012 09:37 GMT
#232
On October 23 2012 13:00 openbox1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2012 12:25 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On October 23 2012 10:28 Jaaaaasper wrote:
And crank looks like crap again, this keeps getting better and better. TB is Crank disputing the way the phone call was transcribed?


We're not interested in commenting on drama for dramas sake, since it's literally killing eSports. We made a statement for a reason and we stand by that statement. It's as simple as that.


You might want to chill on the other threads though. No disrespect but at this point some people are practically baiting you and getting the response they want. If you think Jessica overreacted, then shouldn't you take a deep breath and show that you do things differently?

Don't you think he is already behaving differently from Jessica?
Jessica is shitting on the careers of her former players, TB is defending his own player by placing his own name on the line for a player he has gotten less then 4 months (Not sure when crank join axiom but should be within this time frame I think)
Daelgar
Profile Joined January 2012
Poland25 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-23 10:00:37
October 23 2012 09:59 GMT
#233
I just dont understand this whole drama, and Koreans overall.

Manager accusing players of disrespect, looking for a chace to join foreigner team etc. Is it some sort of "crime"?. Unless they are going to sue each other, whats the point?

Im glad TB made that statement to support one of his players.
Oh, special tactics? You see, Its fine.
Rabiator
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany3948 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-23 11:38:33
October 23 2012 11:19 GMT
#234
On October 23 2012 08:51 Frost wrote:
OH look. Sorry for being a psychic as mentioned by someone above for saying TB will look silly for supporting Crank who, as I have just seen the text of the recorded call, is one disrespectful, lying kid.

From the transcript I see it exactly the opposite way. Jessica and Boxer are not understanding that a manager ultimately has the responsibility for the team and Boxer didnt seem to take "his job" seriously at all while Jessica blames everyone except herself.

The fault on Crank's side could only be to change his mind after going home (which is interpreted as "lying" by Jessica and Boxer) for his neck problems and then noticing that he has to make money somehow. Both sides seem to agree that Crank said something about the problems of the players, but the managers didnt do anything and losing all of their sponsors really shows that something was rotten in that department anyways. So Crank might share a tiny bit of the blame, but only the blame of "pulling the trigger" (unintentionally) for the implosion of the team.
If you cant say what you're meaning, you can never mean what you're saying.
[NSL]BansheeHero
Profile Joined February 2011
Czech Republic143 Posts
October 23 2012 13:21 GMT
#235
The call means absolutely nothing, same as the original statement from Crank. We are grasping for straws just because the truth is too obstructed.

This could still go either way. Since the call is not the complete affair. It also hangs on Jessicas word a that is as questionable as Cranks. Do you even remember how she wanted to sue the internet?
Today I settled all family business so don't tell me what is imba. Admit what you did.
[NSL]BansheeHero
Profile Joined February 2011
Czech Republic143 Posts
October 23 2012 13:24 GMT
#236
Links for foreigners like me:
http://esfiworld.com/news/translated-crank-boxer-and-jessicas-phone-call
http://esfiworld.com/news/jessica-responds-mma-apologize-then-i-will-forget-everything-and-forgive-you
http://esfiworld.com/news/jessica-my-reputation-line-i-will-end-cranks-apology
http://esfiworld.com/news/mma-i-do-not-want-people-misunderstand-me-through-distortion
Today I settled all family business so don't tell me what is imba. Admit what you did.
BoggieMan
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
520 Posts
October 23 2012 13:40 GMT
#237
Totalbiscuit means Waytoocool in my language
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
October 23 2012 15:01 GMT
#238
1. I can't stress how good it is to provide wirtten transcript of the video. I hate so much when some infromation is given only in audio (can't listen anywhere, much slower than reading).

2. I just wish everyone was so straightforward and reasonable as TotalBiscuit in dealing with things. This is all just a childish dispute full of unreasonable acts. hen TB comes in and says "we stand by the player no matter what" - I applaud to that!
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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Shival
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands643 Posts
October 23 2012 17:50 GMT
#239
On October 23 2012 22:21 [NSL]BansheeHero wrote:
The call means absolutely nothing, same as the original statement from Crank. We are grasping for straws just because the truth is too obstructed.

This could still go either way. Since the call is not the complete affair. It also hangs on Jessicas word a that is as questionable as Cranks. Do you even remember how she wanted to sue the internet?


What's wrong with that? As you might remember she was protecting Eve at the time, whose pictures were being posted on top of porn pictures. There's a law in South Korea that forbids these things on the internet and thus she's fully in the right to sue those persons that did such a thing. Please read up on a subject before ridiculing someone please.
[NSL]BansheeHero
Profile Joined February 2011
Czech Republic143 Posts
October 24 2012 12:25 GMT
#240
Just another case of bad PR/slander from Jessica. This is fun. I am sorry slayers disbanded, since from now on Jessica cannot make such amusing mistakes :D

Source:https://twitter.com/MitchellChris/status/260576184121831424

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@SC2_MMA Corporation R did have an interest in a personal sponsorship with you. Just to reassure you.

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@MitchellChris But the million dollar question is what happened to mma's personal sponsorship?Did it go to boxer like MMA thought?Withdrawn?
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@Goro87 It was rejected.
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8h Goro Shigeno Goro Shigeno ‏@Goro87

@MitchellChris Oh boy now there's opening a can of worms. Rejected by who, manager J or Jessica? That ? is a key part of drama.
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@Goro87 Jessica.
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@MitchellChris Thanks for the answer! I'd run and hide now if I were you before Jessica catches wind of this.
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@Goro87 I'd prefer if the drama ends, but i just wanted to clarify that MMA's statement on this was legit.
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@MitchellChris @Goro87 Jessica DIRECTLY? Or someone acting on her/slayers management's behalf?
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@SaintSnorlax @Goro87 Directly, although god knows how my English was translated to Korean.




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