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On October 22 2012 23:28 MrCon wrote:
Wow, in this interview we learn that the upper management just did nothing at all, they transfered all the responsabilities to the players. This is incredible. I mean it was up to Crank to do the schedule work for foreign team leagues like IPTL or EGTL, what the hell. And then they blame their players haha.
I always suspected that such a failure couldn't have happened with a competent management, but now this is clear : there wasn't any management in Slayers anymore.
That's just Crank's side of the story, so it's hardly reasonable to say everything is clear based purely on that. It's still just a matter of whose side of the story you believe or more likely the truth is somewhere in between. Certainly it appears easier to believe Crank's side of the story as he just feels more candid even though I obviously don't know him at all. It's not, however, easy to believe that Boxer didn't care at all about the team.
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The perfect analogy would be an hospital director who'd hire a blind surgeon. Then when the blind surgeon kills a patient, the director takes no responsibilities because he wasn't the one handling the scalpel.
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Come on, no need to hear "the other side of the story" to know that letting a player arrange the schedules is wrong. It's not his job. Basically the team had a lot of problems, then they asked the players to take charge instead of acting like managers, and now they blame the players for not doing the job they were supposed to do themselves. It's obvious Boxer wasn't involved in the team anymore, because if he had none of this could have happened.
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On October 22 2012 23:33 MrCon wrote:
The perfect analogy would be an hospital director who'd hire a blind surgeon. Then when the blind surgeon kills a patient, the director takes no responsibilities because he wasn't the one handling the scalpel.
Ahhh...so its like the coaches left the players to die on their own when they are in trouble? okay thanks, I thought it had to do with sponsors
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On October 22 2012 23:40 ImNightmare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 23:33 MrCon wrote:
The perfect analogy would be an hospital director who'd hire a blind surgeon. Then when the blind surgeon kills a patient, the director takes no responsibilities because he wasn't the one handling the scalpel. Ahhh...so its like the coaches left the players to die on their own when they are in trouble? okay thanks, I thought it had to do with sponsors
Ho no I meant the coaches, and certainly also Jessica and Boxer. Boxer has such an aura (and for good reason) that if he was involved in the team I don't think the problems could have escalated like that.
My personal theory is that Boxer was already in negotiations with SKT when Clide was transferred there so he wasn't into managing the team anymore, Jessica has her career and don't have enough time to take care of the day to day operations of a team, so when coach Ryu was hired by a Kespa team everything started to fall apart. I respect Cella but he's too young to handle a team (especially at a "human" level ; multiple young males living together need a lot of work to not fall apart, and this has to be handled, and this is a full time job)
I have a hard time believing that Boxer and Jessica don't know how life works enough to think that giving responsibilities to players (especially to a guy like Crank who isn't even a 1st generation Slayers player) could work.
You can't blame a player for failing at management, when you're the one who should manage.
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On October 22 2012 20:43 Dakure wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 02:56 kuan888 wrote:On October 21 2012 21:29 megacrack wrote:
this is somewhat of a translation i did of that jessicas statement.. even though it in a rough form, it will give u somewhat to read over till someone do a professional translating:
im current in Thailand filming with a deadly schedule.
i really wanted to forget and rest
but you dont let me be.
i saw what cranks team had to say.
1.you said you were going to prove that what i wrote in the initial statement was wrong. you have to specify where i got it wrong and you have to prove to your best of abilities.
2. you heard cranks point of view and posted a statement (recording) based on his view, if you didnt do proper research on what is truth and what is wrong and just posted that up, you got to be ready for your consequences.
like the trickster, fruitdealer incident where the team only listened to their players for example.
3.while im at thailand working i double checked the recording between crank, boxer and i that goes for 57 minutes and 48 seconds.
if axiom does not provide proper evidence and keep on pushing that crank is in the wrong, i will provide this recording in front of media, myself and coach cella. if i only small portion of the recording, there maybe people thinking that it may be manipulated, so i will provide the whole file.
4. ill tell you this story has crank and 3 other people involved, truthfully, even the parts that i do not want to show because of the good bond and bad bond ( korean saying) that we had before, will be shown. so for the other people involved i want you to think carefully.
5.if crank goes on about anything other than what i wrote, like my personality, my other social attributes, or creating rumors my agency and i will treat this very seriously.
i will make sure and as soon as i arrive to korea i will start planning..
i will arrive in korea on monday 8:10am and have another shooting at 10am so i will finish late at night.
i will make adjustments with the journalists for time schduling .
i want to forget everything and forgive, but people cannot see this.
im not doing this because i want to do thi, but im doing the way crank wants it to be.
to whoever can translate this, please send it to cranks team
Wow she record all her phone calls...?! Isn't that illegal in some countries? I think it is in the US.. Or well, it might not be allowed in court. Not sure. But maybe Korean laws are different.
Nope, it's only illegal to record a call if neither party is aware of it. In the US, only one party needs to be aware that a call is being recorded.
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Whatever...
This discussion will never end pretty since Jessica will never concede, and neither will anyone else. Let's just hope that the Cynical CranK can get well and kick some SC2-ass!
Edit: The "Whatever" comment was to all the speculation and pointless discussion in the thread.. I liked the original statement from TB/CranK. I think all sides tries very hard to be in "right" and the truth is somewhere in the middle..
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On October 22 2012 21:35 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 17:15 Frost wrote:On October 22 2012 17:06 gruff wrote:On October 22 2012 15:56 Frost wrote:
Well, Biscuit's going to look silly IF Jessica decides to release that 58 minute recorded call between Boxer, Jessica, and Crank. Because you have heard it? Jessica's already hinted at Crank using very inappropriate words in the call to none other than Boxer himself so yeah he's going to look silly. No he won't and I'm going to say this again, You folks feel so entitled to everything when in reality they don't owe you anything. At all. Get off your high horses. You're very lucky (if I can even call it that?) to get what you get.
Explain to me how I feel so entitled to everything.
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On October 22 2012 22:35 Shival wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 20:43 Dakure wrote:On October 22 2012 02:56 kuan888 wrote:On October 21 2012 21:29 megacrack wrote:
this is somewhat of a translation i did of that jessicas statement.. even though it in a rough form, it will give u somewhat to read over till someone do a professional translating:
im current in Thailand filming with a deadly schedule.
i really wanted to forget and rest
but you dont let me be.
i saw what cranks team had to say.
1.you said you were going to prove that what i wrote in the initial statement was wrong. you have to specify where i got it wrong and you have to prove to your best of abilities.
2. you heard cranks point of view and posted a statement (recording) based on his view, if you didnt do proper research on what is truth and what is wrong and just posted that up, you got to be ready for your consequences.
like the trickster, fruitdealer incident where the team only listened to their players for example.
3.while im at thailand working i double checked the recording between crank, boxer and i that goes for 57 minutes and 48 seconds.
if axiom does not provide proper evidence and keep on pushing that crank is in the wrong, i will provide this recording in front of media, myself and coach cella. if i only small portion of the recording, there maybe people thinking that it may be manipulated, so i will provide the whole file.
4. ill tell you this story has crank and 3 other people involved, truthfully, even the parts that i do not want to show because of the good bond and bad bond ( korean saying) that we had before, will be shown. so for the other people involved i want you to think carefully.
5.if crank goes on about anything other than what i wrote, like my personality, my other social attributes, or creating rumors my agency and i will treat this very seriously.
i will make sure and as soon as i arrive to korea i will start planning..
i will arrive in korea on monday 8:10am and have another shooting at 10am so i will finish late at night.
i will make adjustments with the journalists for time schduling .
i want to forget everything and forgive, but people cannot see this.
im not doing this because i want to do thi, but im doing the way crank wants it to be.
to whoever can translate this, please send it to cranks team
Wow she record all her phone calls...?! Isn't that illegal in some countries? I think it is in the US.. Or well, it might not be allowed in court. Not sure. But maybe Korean laws are different. Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 15:28 Roflhaxx wrote:
People need to learn to take 'proof' (screenshots etc) with a grain of salt because the only part that you see is the accusers side of things. Things can easily be taken out of context, manipulated etc. An example of this could be that (lets just say for a moment) that crank and boxer squared up during the last 2 minutes of the conversation. Jessica (since she is the only one who actually records audio logs, wtf. Isn't that illegal anyways?) could just leave out the last 2 minutes. Besides, she has proven herself crazy with these crusades against people. (I wouldnt be surprised if I got lashed at too!) To stop unsubstantiated claims on this let me tell you how it is in nearly every civilized country. It's illegal for a third party to record audio logs of phone calls without a court order (there's a few exceptions to this, but not relevant right now). However if one of the parties that are having a phone call records the conversations it's not illegal, even if the other party doesn't know about it.
Actually it is illegal in at least 3 EU countries and probably even more. In this case, It does not really matter whether is illegal or if the recording even exist. Since this is an extortion not a justice system ordered evidence. (And I am talking about recording it. Revealing such recording is whole different matter.)
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On October 23 2012 01:28 Frost wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 21:35 StarStruck wrote:On October 22 2012 17:15 Frost wrote:On October 22 2012 17:06 gruff wrote:On October 22 2012 15:56 Frost wrote:
Well, Biscuit's going to look silly IF Jessica decides to release that 58 minute recorded call between Boxer, Jessica, and Crank. Because you have heard it? Jessica's already hinted at Crank using very inappropriate words in the call to none other than Boxer himself so yeah he's going to look silly. No he won't and I'm going to say this again, You folks feel so entitled to everything when in reality they don't owe you anything. At all. Get off your high horses. You're very lucky (if I can even call it that?) to get what you get. Explain to me how I feel so entitled to everything.
Maybe he is disturbed by your psychic abilities and feels that you are abusing your superiority. I consider such reaction to be understandable if an insecure man meets a psychic reader that knows what Jessica has not yet said or released. I am not apologizing for him, but I am trying to introduce the fact that your statement could be a cause for emotional trauma.
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On October 23 2012 02:58 [NSL]BansheeHero wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 22:35 Shival wrote:On October 22 2012 20:43 Dakure wrote:On October 22 2012 02:56 kuan888 wrote:On October 21 2012 21:29 megacrack wrote:
this is somewhat of a translation i did of that jessicas statement.. even though it in a rough form, it will give u somewhat to read over till someone do a professional translating:
im current in Thailand filming with a deadly schedule.
i really wanted to forget and rest
but you dont let me be.
i saw what cranks team had to say.
1.you said you were going to prove that what i wrote in the initial statement was wrong. you have to specify where i got it wrong and you have to prove to your best of abilities.
2. you heard cranks point of view and posted a statement (recording) based on his view, if you didnt do proper research on what is truth and what is wrong and just posted that up, you got to be ready for your consequences.
like the trickster, fruitdealer incident where the team only listened to their players for example.
3.while im at thailand working i double checked the recording between crank, boxer and i that goes for 57 minutes and 48 seconds.
if axiom does not provide proper evidence and keep on pushing that crank is in the wrong, i will provide this recording in front of media, myself and coach cella. if i only small portion of the recording, there maybe people thinking that it may be manipulated, so i will provide the whole file.
4. ill tell you this story has crank and 3 other people involved, truthfully, even the parts that i do not want to show because of the good bond and bad bond ( korean saying) that we had before, will be shown. so for the other people involved i want you to think carefully.
5.if crank goes on about anything other than what i wrote, like my personality, my other social attributes, or creating rumors my agency and i will treat this very seriously.
i will make sure and as soon as i arrive to korea i will start planning..
i will arrive in korea on monday 8:10am and have another shooting at 10am so i will finish late at night.
i will make adjustments with the journalists for time schduling .
i want to forget everything and forgive, but people cannot see this.
im not doing this because i want to do thi, but im doing the way crank wants it to be.
to whoever can translate this, please send it to cranks team
Wow she record all her phone calls...?! Isn't that illegal in some countries? I think it is in the US.. Or well, it might not be allowed in court. Not sure. But maybe Korean laws are different. On October 22 2012 15:28 Roflhaxx wrote:
People need to learn to take 'proof' (screenshots etc) with a grain of salt because the only part that you see is the accusers side of things. Things can easily be taken out of context, manipulated etc. An example of this could be that (lets just say for a moment) that crank and boxer squared up during the last 2 minutes of the conversation. Jessica (since she is the only one who actually records audio logs, wtf. Isn't that illegal anyways?) could just leave out the last 2 minutes. Besides, she has proven herself crazy with these crusades against people. (I wouldnt be surprised if I got lashed at too!) To stop unsubstantiated claims on this let me tell you how it is in nearly every civilized country. It's illegal for a third party to record audio logs of phone calls without a court order (there's a few exceptions to this, but not relevant right now). However if one of the parties that are having a phone call records the conversations it's not illegal, even if the other party doesn't know about it. Actually it is illegal in at least 3 EU countries and probably even more. In this case, It does not really matter whether is illegal or if the recording even exist. Since this is an extortion not a justice system ordered evidence. (And I am talking about recording it. Revealing such recording is whole different matter.)
Name them please, makes it easier for me to look up and fact check it, instead of going through 27 of them. Also, didn't I say "nearly every"?
It's not an extortion as she's not asking for money or other goods or services. Neither can you say so, because you don't know whether it's unlawful to do so in S-Korea, if it's lawfully obtained it's not extortion.
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After reading the translated interview and noticing the many "incomplete" sentences I have come to the conclusion that any transcript of the phone call will be useless to non-Koreans because of the necessary translation. Just look at my signature and acknowledge the importance of precise words to make things seem one way or the other. Words arent the only important thing about a phone call, because the pronounciation makes a huge difference as well.
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On October 23 2012 03:14 Shival wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 02:58 [NSL]BansheeHero wrote:On October 22 2012 22:35 Shival wrote:On October 22 2012 20:43 Dakure wrote:On October 22 2012 02:56 kuan888 wrote:On October 21 2012 21:29 megacrack wrote:
this is somewhat of a translation i did of that jessicas statement.. even though it in a rough form, it will give u somewhat to read over till someone do a professional translating:
im current in Thailand filming with a deadly schedule.
i really wanted to forget and rest
but you dont let me be.
i saw what cranks team had to say.
1.you said you were going to prove that what i wrote in the initial statement was wrong. you have to specify where i got it wrong and you have to prove to your best of abilities.
2. you heard cranks point of view and posted a statement (recording) based on his view, if you didnt do proper research on what is truth and what is wrong and just posted that up, you got to be ready for your consequences.
like the trickster, fruitdealer incident where the team only listened to their players for example.
3.while im at thailand working i double checked the recording between crank, boxer and i that goes for 57 minutes and 48 seconds.
if axiom does not provide proper evidence and keep on pushing that crank is in the wrong, i will provide this recording in front of media, myself and coach cella. if i only small portion of the recording, there maybe people thinking that it may be manipulated, so i will provide the whole file.
4. ill tell you this story has crank and 3 other people involved, truthfully, even the parts that i do not want to show because of the good bond and bad bond ( korean saying) that we had before, will be shown. so for the other people involved i want you to think carefully.
5.if crank goes on about anything other than what i wrote, like my personality, my other social attributes, or creating rumors my agency and i will treat this very seriously.
i will make sure and as soon as i arrive to korea i will start planning..
i will arrive in korea on monday 8:10am and have another shooting at 10am so i will finish late at night.
i will make adjustments with the journalists for time schduling .
i want to forget everything and forgive, but people cannot see this.
im not doing this because i want to do thi, but im doing the way crank wants it to be.
to whoever can translate this, please send it to cranks team
Wow she record all her phone calls...?! Isn't that illegal in some countries? I think it is in the US.. Or well, it might not be allowed in court. Not sure. But maybe Korean laws are different. On October 22 2012 15:28 Roflhaxx wrote:
People need to learn to take 'proof' (screenshots etc) with a grain of salt because the only part that you see is the accusers side of things. Things can easily be taken out of context, manipulated etc. An example of this could be that (lets just say for a moment) that crank and boxer squared up during the last 2 minutes of the conversation. Jessica (since she is the only one who actually records audio logs, wtf. Isn't that illegal anyways?) could just leave out the last 2 minutes. Besides, she has proven herself crazy with these crusades against people. (I wouldnt be surprised if I got lashed at too!) To stop unsubstantiated claims on this let me tell you how it is in nearly every civilized country. It's illegal for a third party to record audio logs of phone calls without a court order (there's a few exceptions to this, but not relevant right now). However if one of the parties that are having a phone call records the conversations it's not illegal, even if the other party doesn't know about it. Actually it is illegal in at least 3 EU countries and probably even more. In this case, It does not really matter whether is illegal or if the recording even exist. Since this is an extortion not a justice system ordered evidence. (And I am talking about recording it. Revealing such recording is whole different matter.) Name them please, makes it easier for me to look up and fact check it, instead of going through 27 of them. Also, didn't I say "nearly every"? It's not an extortion as she's not asking for money or other goods or services. Neither can you say so, because you don't know whether it's unlawful to do so in S-Korea, if it's lawfully obtained it's not extortion.
CZ, SK and Poland. I have contracted a lawyer in those countries in order to investigate this matter. Since I conduct business affairs there. In all three cases I was instructed to reveal the fact that I am recording the conversation, otherwise it is not legally obtained. I suspect it is illegal in other EU countries as well, but I have no evidence of that.
I feel obliged to say that this is not a legal advice and people should not trust what they read on a public forum.
Yes she is asking for service. She is asking for him to do something he does not want to do and she is threating him with exposure of such recording. That is an extortion. I am not saying whether it is legal, moral or just. That is a pure speculation on your part.
EDIT: I only mentioned that the discussion whether it is legal or illegal in Korea is irrelevant since this is not a matter of justice. This is a matter of releasing public statements involving 3 or more parties.
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On October 23 2012 03:29 [NSL]BansheeHero wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 03:14 Shival wrote:On October 23 2012 02:58 [NSL]BansheeHero wrote:On October 22 2012 22:35 Shival wrote:On October 22 2012 20:43 Dakure wrote:On October 22 2012 02:56 kuan888 wrote:On October 21 2012 21:29 megacrack wrote:
this is somewhat of a translation i did of that jessicas statement.. even though it in a rough form, it will give u somewhat to read over till someone do a professional translating:
im current in Thailand filming with a deadly schedule.
i really wanted to forget and rest
but you dont let me be.
i saw what cranks team had to say.
1.you said you were going to prove that what i wrote in the initial statement was wrong. you have to specify where i got it wrong and you have to prove to your best of abilities.
2. you heard cranks point of view and posted a statement (recording) based on his view, if you didnt do proper research on what is truth and what is wrong and just posted that up, you got to be ready for your consequences.
like the trickster, fruitdealer incident where the team only listened to their players for example.
3.while im at thailand working i double checked the recording between crank, boxer and i that goes for 57 minutes and 48 seconds.
if axiom does not provide proper evidence and keep on pushing that crank is in the wrong, i will provide this recording in front of media, myself and coach cella. if i only small portion of the recording, there maybe people thinking that it may be manipulated, so i will provide the whole file.
4. ill tell you this story has crank and 3 other people involved, truthfully, even the parts that i do not want to show because of the good bond and bad bond ( korean saying) that we had before, will be shown. so for the other people involved i want you to think carefully.
5.if crank goes on about anything other than what i wrote, like my personality, my other social attributes, or creating rumors my agency and i will treat this very seriously.
i will make sure and as soon as i arrive to korea i will start planning..
i will arrive in korea on monday 8:10am and have another shooting at 10am so i will finish late at night.
i will make adjustments with the journalists for time schduling .
i want to forget everything and forgive, but people cannot see this.
im not doing this because i want to do thi, but im doing the way crank wants it to be.
to whoever can translate this, please send it to cranks team
Wow she record all her phone calls...?! Isn't that illegal in some countries? I think it is in the US.. Or well, it might not be allowed in court. Not sure. But maybe Korean laws are different. On October 22 2012 15:28 Roflhaxx wrote:
People need to learn to take 'proof' (screenshots etc) with a grain of salt because the only part that you see is the accusers side of things. Things can easily be taken out of context, manipulated etc. An example of this could be that (lets just say for a moment) that crank and boxer squared up during the last 2 minutes of the conversation. Jessica (since she is the only one who actually records audio logs, wtf. Isn't that illegal anyways?) could just leave out the last 2 minutes. Besides, she has proven herself crazy with these crusades against people. (I wouldnt be surprised if I got lashed at too!) To stop unsubstantiated claims on this let me tell you how it is in nearly every civilized country. It's illegal for a third party to record audio logs of phone calls without a court order (there's a few exceptions to this, but not relevant right now). However if one of the parties that are having a phone call records the conversations it's not illegal, even if the other party doesn't know about it. Actually it is illegal in at least 3 EU countries and probably even more. In this case, It does not really matter whether is illegal or if the recording even exist. Since this is an extortion not a justice system ordered evidence. (And I am talking about recording it. Revealing such recording is whole different matter.) Name them please, makes it easier for me to look up and fact check it, instead of going through 27 of them. Also, didn't I say "nearly every"? It's not an extortion as she's not asking for money or other goods or services. Neither can you say so, because you don't know whether it's unlawful to do so in S-Korea, if it's lawfully obtained it's not extortion. CZ, SK and Poland. I have contracted a lawyer in those countries in order to investigate this matter. Since I conduct business affairs there. In all three cases I was instructed to reveal the fact that I am recording the conversation, otherwise it is not legally obtained. I suspect it is illegal in other EU countries as well, but I have no evidence of that. I feel obliged to say that this is not a legal advice and people should not trust what they read on a public forum.Yes she is asking for service. She is asking for him to do something he does not want to do and she is threating him with exposure of such recording. That is an extortion. I am not saying whether it is legal, moral or just. That is a pure speculation on your part.
Alright.
Apart from the fact that the Regional Court in Brno confirmed that it still regards RPM agreements to be agreements that distort competition, the most interesting part of the reasoning is that in which the court extensively analyses the question of the legality of a recording of a telephone call, made privately and secretly, as evidence of anti-competitive practices.
When considering the admissibility of such evidence, the Regional Court believes it necessary to also consider who made the recording, i.e., whether it was made by an administrative authority or a private person. The reason for this general differentiation is that Czech law does not provide any legal basis for public authorities to make secret audio-visual recordings for the purpose of administrative proceedings where such recordings interfere with the “private lives” of individuals. Public authorities making such recordings to be used as evidence is absolutely unacceptable; thus, a piece of evidence obtained in this manner would be unlawful.
Guess what, apperantly it is legal for a private person to make a recording privately in CZ. Please try again.
Asking someone to quit lying or otherwise posting because you have evidence to the contrary and are willing to release it if he continues is not asking for a service.
ex·tor·tion [ik-stawr-shuhn] Show IPA
noun
1. an act or instance of extorting.
2. Law . the crime of obtaining money or some other thing of value by the abuse of one's office or authority.
3. oppressive or illegal exaction, as of excessive price or interest: the extortions of usurers.
4. anything extorted.
I suggest you also look up what 'service' means, especially in law context.
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On October 23 2012 03:40 Shival wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 03:29 [NSL]BansheeHero wrote:On October 23 2012 03:14 Shival wrote:On October 23 2012 02:58 [NSL]BansheeHero wrote:On October 22 2012 22:35 Shival wrote:On October 22 2012 20:43 Dakure wrote:On October 22 2012 02:56 kuan888 wrote:On October 21 2012 21:29 megacrack wrote:
this is somewhat of a translation i did of that jessicas statement.. even though it in a rough form, it will give u somewhat to read over till someone do a professional translating:
im current in Thailand filming with a deadly schedule.
i really wanted to forget and rest
but you dont let me be.
i saw what cranks team had to say.
1.you said you were going to prove that what i wrote in the initial statement was wrong. you have to specify where i got it wrong and you have to prove to your best of abilities.
2. you heard cranks point of view and posted a statement (recording) based on his view, if you didnt do proper research on what is truth and what is wrong and just posted that up, you got to be ready for your consequences.
like the trickster, fruitdealer incident where the team only listened to their players for example.
3.while im at thailand working i double checked the recording between crank, boxer and i that goes for 57 minutes and 48 seconds.
if axiom does not provide proper evidence and keep on pushing that crank is in the wrong, i will provide this recording in front of media, myself and coach cella. if i only small portion of the recording, there maybe people thinking that it may be manipulated, so i will provide the whole file.
4. ill tell you this story has crank and 3 other people involved, truthfully, even the parts that i do not want to show because of the good bond and bad bond ( korean saying) that we had before, will be shown. so for the other people involved i want you to think carefully.
5.if crank goes on about anything other than what i wrote, like my personality, my other social attributes, or creating rumors my agency and i will treat this very seriously.
i will make sure and as soon as i arrive to korea i will start planning..
i will arrive in korea on monday 8:10am and have another shooting at 10am so i will finish late at night.
i will make adjustments with the journalists for time schduling .
i want to forget everything and forgive, but people cannot see this.
im not doing this because i want to do thi, but im doing the way crank wants it to be.
to whoever can translate this, please send it to cranks team
Wow she record all her phone calls...?! Isn't that illegal in some countries? I think it is in the US.. Or well, it might not be allowed in court. Not sure. But maybe Korean laws are different. On October 22 2012 15:28 Roflhaxx wrote:
People need to learn to take 'proof' (screenshots etc) with a grain of salt because the only part that you see is the accusers side of things. Things can easily be taken out of context, manipulated etc. An example of this could be that (lets just say for a moment) that crank and boxer squared up during the last 2 minutes of the conversation. Jessica (since she is the only one who actually records audio logs, wtf. Isn't that illegal anyways?) could just leave out the last 2 minutes. Besides, she has proven herself crazy with these crusades against people. (I wouldnt be surprised if I got lashed at too!) To stop unsubstantiated claims on this let me tell you how it is in nearly every civilized country. It's illegal for a third party to record audio logs of phone calls without a court order (there's a few exceptions to this, but not relevant right now). However if one of the parties that are having a phone call records the conversations it's not illegal, even if the other party doesn't know about it. Actually it is illegal in at least 3 EU countries and probably even more. In this case, It does not really matter whether is illegal or if the recording even exist. Since this is an extortion not a justice system ordered evidence. (And I am talking about recording it. Revealing such recording is whole different matter.) Name them please, makes it easier for me to look up and fact check it, instead of going through 27 of them. Also, didn't I say "nearly every"? It's not an extortion as she's not asking for money or other goods or services. Neither can you say so, because you don't know whether it's unlawful to do so in S-Korea, if it's lawfully obtained it's not extortion. CZ, SK and Poland. I have contracted a lawyer in those countries in order to investigate this matter. Since I conduct business affairs there. In all three cases I was instructed to reveal the fact that I am recording the conversation, otherwise it is not legally obtained. I suspect it is illegal in other EU countries as well, but I have no evidence of that. I feel obliged to say that this is not a legal advice and people should not trust what they read on a public forum.Yes she is asking for service. She is asking for him to do something he does not want to do and she is threating him with exposure of such recording. That is an extortion. I am not saying whether it is legal, moral or just. That is a pure speculation on your part. Alright. Show nested quote +Apart from the fact that the Regional Court in Brno confirmed that it still regards RPM agreements to be agreements that distort competition, the most interesting part of the reasoning is that in which the court extensively analyses the question of the legality of a recording of a telephone call, made privately and secretly, as evidence of anti-competitive practices.
When considering the admissibility of such evidence, the Regional Court believes it necessary to also consider who made the recording, i.e., whether it was made by an administrative authority or a private person. The reason for this general differentiation is that Czech law does not provide any legal basis for public authorities to make secret audio-visual recordings for the purpose of administrative proceedings where such recordings interfere with the “private lives” of individuals. Public authorities making such recordings to be used as evidence is absolutely unacceptable; thus, a piece of evidence obtained in this manner would be unlawful. Guess what, apperantly it is legal for a private person to make a recording privately in CZ. Please try again. Asking someone to quit lying or otherwise posting because you have evidence to the contrary and are willing to release it if he continues is not asking for a service. Show nested quote +ex·tor·tion [ik-stawr-shuhn] Show IPA
noun
1. an act or instance of extorting.
2. Law . the crime of obtaining money or some other thing of value by the abuse of one's office or authority.
3. oppressive or illegal exaction, as of excessive price or interest: the extortions of usurers.
4. anything extorted. I suggest you also look up what 'service' means, especially in law context.
I will just give you 2 points to consider:
A) Statement about a court decision has no relevance on actual legal system. (Not every country acknowledges precedents) Only legal advice (at best) is that public administration cannot record such conversation. It does not specify under what circumstances it would legal to do so in a private conversation.
B) I said that I made no statement about the legality of such extortion therefore any argument whether it was legal or not is irrelevant. That includes the meaning of the term service in whatever country. (And whether he is lying or slanderous is for a court to decide. It is not a matter of pissing contest of who has the biggest recoding. Since it could be the other way around and Jessica was lying. It is a nasty presumption)
Besides these points the whole discussion is getting out of hand and I am not willing to discuss specifics since it is nor the place nor do I have any legal council with me. I am afraid if you want to continue discussing in such manner I am not a person that could do so at this time  (Read: I am not trusting your at your word at this time. :D )
Still I appreciate the calm and constructive manner of your responses and I enjoyed it.
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On October 22 2012 15:56 Frost wrote:
Well, Biscuit's going to look silly IF Jessica decides to release that 58 minute recorded call between Boxer, Jessica, and Crank.
It's a shame people don't bother to listen to our statement. We said that CranK is not embarrassed about the contents of that recording and we already know it exists.
So tell me again how we're going to "look silly". We are not threatened by the existence of that recording
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On October 23 2012 04:08 [NSL]BansheeHero wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 03:40 Shival wrote:On October 23 2012 03:29 [NSL]BansheeHero wrote:On October 23 2012 03:14 Shival wrote:On October 23 2012 02:58 [NSL]BansheeHero wrote:On October 22 2012 22:35 Shival wrote:On October 22 2012 20:43 Dakure wrote:On October 22 2012 02:56 kuan888 wrote:On October 21 2012 21:29 megacrack wrote:
this is somewhat of a translation i did of that jessicas statement.. even though it in a rough form, it will give u somewhat to read over till someone do a professional translating:
im current in Thailand filming with a deadly schedule.
i really wanted to forget and rest
but you dont let me be.
i saw what cranks team had to say.
1.you said you were going to prove that what i wrote in the initial statement was wrong. you have to specify where i got it wrong and you have to prove to your best of abilities.
2. you heard cranks point of view and posted a statement (recording) based on his view, if you didnt do proper research on what is truth and what is wrong and just posted that up, you got to be ready for your consequences.
like the trickster, fruitdealer incident where the team only listened to their players for example.
3.while im at thailand working i double checked the recording between crank, boxer and i that goes for 57 minutes and 48 seconds.
if axiom does not provide proper evidence and keep on pushing that crank is in the wrong, i will provide this recording in front of media, myself and coach cella. if i only small portion of the recording, there maybe people thinking that it may be manipulated, so i will provide the whole file.
4. ill tell you this story has crank and 3 other people involved, truthfully, even the parts that i do not want to show because of the good bond and bad bond ( korean saying) that we had before, will be shown. so for the other people involved i want you to think carefully.
5.if crank goes on about anything other than what i wrote, like my personality, my other social attributes, or creating rumors my agency and i will treat this very seriously.
i will make sure and as soon as i arrive to korea i will start planning..
i will arrive in korea on monday 8:10am and have another shooting at 10am so i will finish late at night.
i will make adjustments with the journalists for time schduling .
i want to forget everything and forgive, but people cannot see this.
im not doing this because i want to do thi, but im doing the way crank wants it to be.
to whoever can translate this, please send it to cranks team
Wow she record all her phone calls...?! Isn't that illegal in some countries? I think it is in the US.. Or well, it might not be allowed in court. Not sure. But maybe Korean laws are different. On October 22 2012 15:28 Roflhaxx wrote:
People need to learn to take 'proof' (screenshots etc) with a grain of salt because the only part that you see is the accusers side of things. Things can easily be taken out of context, manipulated etc. An example of this could be that (lets just say for a moment) that crank and boxer squared up during the last 2 minutes of the conversation. Jessica (since she is the only one who actually records audio logs, wtf. Isn't that illegal anyways?) could just leave out the last 2 minutes. Besides, she has proven herself crazy with these crusades against people. (I wouldnt be surprised if I got lashed at too!) To stop unsubstantiated claims on this let me tell you how it is in nearly every civilized country. It's illegal for a third party to record audio logs of phone calls without a court order (there's a few exceptions to this, but not relevant right now). However if one of the parties that are having a phone call records the conversations it's not illegal, even if the other party doesn't know about it. Actually it is illegal in at least 3 EU countries and probably even more. In this case, It does not really matter whether is illegal or if the recording even exist. Since this is an extortion not a justice system ordered evidence. (And I am talking about recording it. Revealing such recording is whole different matter.) Name them please, makes it easier for me to look up and fact check it, instead of going through 27 of them. Also, didn't I say "nearly every"? It's not an extortion as she's not asking for money or other goods or services. Neither can you say so, because you don't know whether it's unlawful to do so in S-Korea, if it's lawfully obtained it's not extortion. CZ, SK and Poland. I have contracted a lawyer in those countries in order to investigate this matter. Since I conduct business affairs there. In all three cases I was instructed to reveal the fact that I am recording the conversation, otherwise it is not legally obtained. I suspect it is illegal in other EU countries as well, but I have no evidence of that. I feel obliged to say that this is not a legal advice and people should not trust what they read on a public forum.Yes she is asking for service. She is asking for him to do something he does not want to do and she is threating him with exposure of such recording. That is an extortion. I am not saying whether it is legal, moral or just. That is a pure speculation on your part. Alright. Apart from the fact that the Regional Court in Brno confirmed that it still regards RPM agreements to be agreements that distort competition, the most interesting part of the reasoning is that in which the court extensively analyses the question of the legality of a recording of a telephone call, made privately and secretly, as evidence of anti-competitive practices.
When considering the admissibility of such evidence, the Regional Court believes it necessary to also consider who made the recording, i.e., whether it was made by an administrative authority or a private person. The reason for this general differentiation is that Czech law does not provide any legal basis for public authorities to make secret audio-visual recordings for the purpose of administrative proceedings where such recordings interfere with the “private lives” of individuals. Public authorities making such recordings to be used as evidence is absolutely unacceptable; thus, a piece of evidence obtained in this manner would be unlawful. Guess what, apperantly it is legal for a private person to make a recording privately in CZ. Please try again. Asking someone to quit lying or otherwise posting because you have evidence to the contrary and are willing to release it if he continues is not asking for a service. ex·tor·tion [ik-stawr-shuhn] Show IPA
noun
1. an act or instance of extorting.
2. Law . the crime of obtaining money or some other thing of value by the abuse of one's office or authority.
3. oppressive or illegal exaction, as of excessive price or interest: the extortions of usurers.
4. anything extorted. I suggest you also look up what 'service' means, especially in law context. I will just give you 2 points to consider: A) Statement about a court decision has no relevance on actual legal system. (Not every country acknowledges precedents) Only legal advice (at best) is that public administration cannot record such conversation. It does not specify under what circumstances it would legal to do so in a private conversation. B) I said that I made no statement about the legality of such extortion therefore any argument whether it was legal or not is irrelevant. That includes the meaning of the term service in whatever country. Besides these point the whole discussion is getting out of hand and I am not willing to discuss specifics since it is nor the place nor do I have any legal council with me. I am afraid if you want to continue discussing in such manner I am not a person that could do so at this time Still I appreciate the calm and constructive manner of your responses and I enjoyed it.
I don't mind, it's just disappointing that you disagree on the basis of supposed legal council that you've had, while not willing to continue said discussion. I'd also like to mention that it would be quite difficult for me to read and/or obtain legal documentation in a language that is readable for me. I'd like to stress that the excerpt I showed you is from a legal firm that operates in CZ and explicitly states it's allowed to record private telephone conversations. (Stated in May 2012, so it's relevant information).
I value a prominent legal firms' own articles it brings out for the people to read as much as legal council.
On to your second point, I don't care about legality or not, it simply is no extortion in any way you turn it. Asking for cease and desist on grounds of releasing evidence otherwise is extortion nowadays? If she asked Crank to write "I am a lying bastard" 200 times on his twitter.. then I would agree that it was extortion, as she's asking a service.
Also, I'm not entirely sure if that last comment is entirely honest, or just a final snide comment. I hope it is the first.
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On October 23 2012 04:20 Shival wrote:
I don't mind, it's just disappointing that you disagree on the basis of supposed legal council that you've had, while not willing to continue said discussion. I'd also like to mention that it would be quite difficult for me to read and/or obtain legal documentation in a language that is readable for me. I'd like to stress that the excerpt I showed you is from a legal firm that operates in CZ and explicitly states it's allowed to record private telephone conversations. (Stated in May 2012, so it's relevant information).
I value a prominent legal firms' own articles it brings out for the people to read as much as legal council.
It is very difficult to solve such situations even with legal council. I completely understand that it is next to impossible to do so from another country. It comes down to specifics like whether it is an automated recording that starts disregarding what the second party is. That is why I am not willing to pursue it further without having a experienced source of knowledge (Aka as good lawyer :D).
On October 23 2012 04:20 Shival wrote:
On to your second point, I don't care about legality or not, it simply is no extortion in any way you turn it. Asking for cease and desist on grounds of releasing evidence otherwise is extortion nowadays? If she asked Crank to write "I am a lying bastard" 200 times on his twitter.. then I would agree that it was extortion, as she's asking a service.
Well I disagree that it was a simple cease and desist message. But that is my opinion based upon an translation so it is honestly open to whatever situation. But I do have more experiences with this as blowing smoke than it being a poorly constructed: "I advice you to stop your slander or we will provide recording as proof to adequate law enforcement.". It is unfortunately common practice to use this in order to scare people into submission (as to my experience).
On October 23 2012 04:20 Shival wrote:
Also, I'm not entirely sure if that last comment is entirely honest, or just a final snide comment. I hope it is the first.
It was honest. Since the scene blew up public forums are a real nightmare to read. Having a real talk (pun intended) with somebody is very refreshing.
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On October 23 2012 04:31 [NSL]BansheeHero wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 04:20 Shival wrote:
I don't mind, it's just disappointing that you disagree on the basis of supposed legal council that you've had, while not willing to continue said discussion. I'd also like to mention that it would be quite difficult for me to read and/or obtain legal documentation in a language that is readable for me. I'd like to stress that the excerpt I showed you is from a legal firm that operates in CZ and explicitly states it's allowed to record private telephone conversations. (Stated in May 2012, so it's relevant information).
I value a prominent legal firms' own articles it brings out for the people to read as much as legal council.
It is very difficult to solve such situations even with legal council. I completely understand that it is next to impossible to do so from another country. It comes down to specifics like whether it is an automated recording that starts disregarding what the second party is. That is why I am not willing to pursue it further without having a experienced source of knowledge (Aka as good lawyer :D). Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 04:20 Shival wrote:
On to your second point, I don't care about legality or not, it simply is no extortion in any way you turn it. Asking for cease and desist on grounds of releasing evidence otherwise is extortion nowadays? If she asked Crank to write "I am a lying bastard" 200 times on his twitter.. then I would agree that it was extortion, as she's asking a service.
Well I disagree that it was a simple cease and desist message. But that is my opinion based upon an translation so it is honestly open to whatever situation. But I do have more experiences with this as blowing smoke than it being a poorly constructed: "I advice you to stop your slander or we will provide recording as proof to adequate law enforcement.". It is unfortunately common practice to use this in order to scare people into submission (as to my experience). Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 04:20 Shival wrote:
Also, I'm not entirely sure if that last comment is entirely honest, or just a final snide comment. I hope it is the first.
It was honest. Since the scene blew up public forums are a real nightmare to read. Having a real talk (pun intended) with somebody is very refreshing.
Haha, alright I see your point.
I agree that it's nice to have a conversation like this instead of what I've previously been having in these threads. 
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Legal in Canada to record calls without letting other party know.
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