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On October 09 2012 14:37 corpuscle wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2012 14:26 ROOTFayth wrote:On October 09 2012 14:19 corpuscle wrote:Every time I read a thread like this, I regret reading the comments because it just reinforces how misinformed people are about depression. People who are clinically depressed are not just going through a rough patch, they don't need logical answers to their issues, they aren't just being whiny. It's a disease, not a state of mind. If you think you're being helpful by pointing out why a depressed person "should" be happy or suggesting ways to get out of a temporary bad mood, you're not being helpful. It sounds silly, but that's pretty much the same thing as telling someone who has the flu that you're totally fine and they should do X, Y, and Z and they'll be healthy again. It just doesn't work that way, and you're being demeaning to people who suffer from depression when you belittle it by saying they're just being irrational. I guess I can't relate to any of that
why not just take medicine? Antidepressants provide some relief, but they don't cure/prevent/treat anything. They're like painkillers... if you have a busted knee, they give you percs so you can go through PT and actually fix the problem without it being excruciating. antidepressants + therapy then don't just sit there and do nothing he probably has people looking out for him, he has a fiance afaik... (I'm guessing in his current state of mind he wouldn't go out and seek help by himself) it's not like therapy and antidepressants is an instant fix... it's a complicated disease that has only been acknowledged as a real thing for 30-40 years, so nobody actually knows how to cure it. it's also worth noting that even someone who's relatively stable and happy can have depressive episodes, especially when stressed
Calling it a complicated disease is debatable. Also, all the things you've described are aspects of life. We have trials, we have stresses, we try to cope, sometimes we cope poorly. Sometimes we get blue. These are most often situational influences, over "chemical imbalances." Life is depressing a lot of times. We are not inflicted with some mysterious disease.
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Favorite player since brood war to present day. Hope things look up for you in the future Nony. I really look up to you.
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On October 09 2012 14:40 MountainDewJunkie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2012 14:37 corpuscle wrote:On October 09 2012 14:26 ROOTFayth wrote:On October 09 2012 14:19 corpuscle wrote:Every time I read a thread like this, I regret reading the comments because it just reinforces how misinformed people are about depression. People who are clinically depressed are not just going through a rough patch, they don't need logical answers to their issues, they aren't just being whiny. It's a disease, not a state of mind. If you think you're being helpful by pointing out why a depressed person "should" be happy or suggesting ways to get out of a temporary bad mood, you're not being helpful. It sounds silly, but that's pretty much the same thing as telling someone who has the flu that you're totally fine and they should do X, Y, and Z and they'll be healthy again. It just doesn't work that way, and you're being demeaning to people who suffer from depression when you belittle it by saying they're just being irrational. I guess I can't relate to any of that
why not just take medicine? Antidepressants provide some relief, but they don't cure/prevent/treat anything. They're like painkillers... if you have a busted knee, they give you percs so you can go through PT and actually fix the problem without it being excruciating. antidepressants + therapy then don't just sit there and do nothing he probably has people looking out for him, he has a fiance afaik... (I'm guessing in his current state of mind he wouldn't go out and seek help by himself) it's not like therapy and antidepressants is an instant fix... it's a complicated disease that has only been acknowledged as a real thing for 30-40 years, so nobody actually knows how to cure it. it's also worth noting that even someone who's relatively stable and happy can have depressive episodes, especially when stressed Calling it a complicated disease is debatable. Also, all the things you've described are aspects of life. We have trials, we have stresses, we try to cope, sometimes we cope poorly. Sometimes we get blue. These are most often situational influences, over "chemical imbalances." Life is depressing a lot of times. We are not inflicted with some mysterious disease.
You shouldn't talk about things you know nothing about.
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On October 09 2012 14:36 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
Pardon me, but what constitutes as a "mind" suicide attempt? Attempted suicide is serious, not mild. You either tried or you didn't.
There's times you try it, but you're aware that someone or something could intervene, or you're not fully confident in how effective your method is.
Things like cutting yourself, in a way you could bleed out, but you could stop it as well. Or taking a lot of pills, but not really being sure if it is fatal, or knowing a hospital could probably fix you in time.
It's all serious, but shooting yourself in the head is more serious and terminal than knocking yourself out with pills and having someone find you and help.
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On October 09 2012 14:48 sickoota wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2012 14:40 MountainDewJunkie wrote:On October 09 2012 14:37 corpuscle wrote:On October 09 2012 14:26 ROOTFayth wrote:On October 09 2012 14:19 corpuscle wrote:Every time I read a thread like this, I regret reading the comments because it just reinforces how misinformed people are about depression. People who are clinically depressed are not just going through a rough patch, they don't need logical answers to their issues, they aren't just being whiny. It's a disease, not a state of mind. If you think you're being helpful by pointing out why a depressed person "should" be happy or suggesting ways to get out of a temporary bad mood, you're not being helpful. It sounds silly, but that's pretty much the same thing as telling someone who has the flu that you're totally fine and they should do X, Y, and Z and they'll be healthy again. It just doesn't work that way, and you're being demeaning to people who suffer from depression when you belittle it by saying they're just being irrational. I guess I can't relate to any of that
why not just take medicine? Antidepressants provide some relief, but they don't cure/prevent/treat anything. They're like painkillers... if you have a busted knee, they give you percs so you can go through PT and actually fix the problem without it being excruciating. antidepressants + therapy then don't just sit there and do nothing he probably has people looking out for him, he has a fiance afaik... (I'm guessing in his current state of mind he wouldn't go out and seek help by himself) it's not like therapy and antidepressants is an instant fix... it's a complicated disease that has only been acknowledged as a real thing for 30-40 years, so nobody actually knows how to cure it. it's also worth noting that even someone who's relatively stable and happy can have depressive episodes, especially when stressed Calling it a complicated disease is debatable. Also, all the things you've described are aspects of life. We have trials, we have stresses, we try to cope, sometimes we cope poorly. Sometimes we get blue. These are most often situational influences, over "chemical imbalances." Life is depressing a lot of times. We are not inflicted with some mysterious disease. You shouldn't talk about things you know nothing about.
I'm listening
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The glaring flaw in your logic of continually asking "why" to every reason behind the actions and feelings of a human being is the expectation that there is a conclusion that has been reached for some particular reason. Is there a reason why planets gravitate around bigger beings? Sure, there are forces that act upon it, but there is no reasoning behind why that object chose to gravitate. It is obeying the properties of the universe. It did not choose whether or not to gravitate, it just did.
If any of you that are suffering from depression, please take this piece of information. When you are pondering the meaning of life, whether life is worth living, etc., look at the mood you were in before you began thinking. Was it a bad mood? More often than not, you will lead to negative conclusions. Good mood? Just the opposite. We as humans often use our brain to rationalize the way we are feeling when there is often no reason to begin with. There are so many extraneous things acting internally/externally to your body that can alter your thinking that, if we are as rational as we would like to think we are, we constantly have to check and re-evaluate our answer along with the current mood we were in.
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On October 09 2012 14:49 MountainDewJunkie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2012 14:48 sickoota wrote:On October 09 2012 14:40 MountainDewJunkie wrote:On October 09 2012 14:37 corpuscle wrote:On October 09 2012 14:26 ROOTFayth wrote:On October 09 2012 14:19 corpuscle wrote:Every time I read a thread like this, I regret reading the comments because it just reinforces how misinformed people are about depression. People who are clinically depressed are not just going through a rough patch, they don't need logical answers to their issues, they aren't just being whiny. It's a disease, not a state of mind. If you think you're being helpful by pointing out why a depressed person "should" be happy or suggesting ways to get out of a temporary bad mood, you're not being helpful. It sounds silly, but that's pretty much the same thing as telling someone who has the flu that you're totally fine and they should do X, Y, and Z and they'll be healthy again. It just doesn't work that way, and you're being demeaning to people who suffer from depression when you belittle it by saying they're just being irrational. I guess I can't relate to any of that
why not just take medicine? Antidepressants provide some relief, but they don't cure/prevent/treat anything. They're like painkillers... if you have a busted knee, they give you percs so you can go through PT and actually fix the problem without it being excruciating. antidepressants + therapy then don't just sit there and do nothing he probably has people looking out for him, he has a fiance afaik... (I'm guessing in his current state of mind he wouldn't go out and seek help by himself) it's not like therapy and antidepressants is an instant fix... it's a complicated disease that has only been acknowledged as a real thing for 30-40 years, so nobody actually knows how to cure it. it's also worth noting that even someone who's relatively stable and happy can have depressive episodes, especially when stressed Calling it a complicated disease is debatable. Also, all the things you've described are aspects of life. We have trials, we have stresses, we try to cope, sometimes we cope poorly. Sometimes we get blue. These are most often situational influences, over "chemical imbalances." Life is depressing a lot of times. We are not inflicted with some mysterious disease. You shouldn't talk about things you know nothing about. I'm listening
You are capable of doing your own research before forming an opinion.
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On October 09 2012 14:50 Carthac wrote:
The glaring flaw in your logic of continually asking "why" to every reason behind the actions and feelings of a human being is the expectation that there is a conclusion that has been reached for some particular reason. Is there a reason why planets gravitate around bigger beings? Sure, there are forces that act upon it, but there is no reasoning behind why that object chose to gravitate. It is obeying the properties of the universe. It did not choose whether or not to gravitate, it just did.
If any of you that are suffering from depression, please take this piece of information. When you are pondering the meaning of life, whether life is worth living, etc., look at the mood you were in before you began thinking. Was it a bad mood? More often than not, you will lead to negative conclusions. Good mood? Just the opposite. We as humans often use our brain to rationalize the way we are feeling when there is often no reason to begin with. There are so many extraneous things acting internally/externally to your body that can alter your thinking that, if we are as rational as we would like to think we are, we constantly have to check and re-evaluate our answer along with the current mood we were in.
If it was related to mood at the time, that would be a great relief, the reality is that it isn't.
Your cognition is generally the same, you just have the mood to cope with it sometimes. One of my biggest disappointments with medications was the thinking was exactly the same..i just didn't have the negative emotions as much..or positive ones.
Good mood or bad mood you kind of think the same, it doesn't really depend on the way you feel right then.
That's why its 'clinical depression', not 'a bad mood' Yes its still the result of some force or interaction, everything is...but it is not the same as people having a bad day.
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Let me know if you ever need a hug from the south bay Nony x]. Wish you the best <3
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On October 09 2012 13:31 Liquid`NonY wrote:
And as I've been acting out this week, it worries me that someone may view my weakness as an excuse to indulge in their own, perhaps doing more damage to themselves than I'm doing to myself.
I get what you mean, but at the same time you can't blame yourself for what other people do.
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Life is full of ups and downs, the key is to whenever someone or something pushes you down, its all about how quickly you get back up say fuck you and shove them down instead.
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Having been a University student for almost a semester, I have had some deep thought of myself of "There's no reason".
For example, I wanted to be an Aeronautical Engineer. If I'm not actually designing the airplane but I'm working on a minor part of the plane then why go for a job in a limited field with an unlikely chance to get the "big jobs".
-My idea here was to go for a "big job" make a lot of money and do something revolutionary. My mind hit reasonable probabilities for this and I lost all hope for myself for succeeding in this field and in life.
I started to look for my passions, after all "If you do what you love you'll never work a day in your life".Why go for another job that you're not passionate about? Slave through life for X years regretting key decision points in your life? Not the way anyone wants to do it.
-Here I limit myself to the possabilities to make a big difference in the world. I reduce myself to a smaller more broad field of study, but I do something that I like.
There is no point to life. You cannot dream big, the numbers are against you. You are limited, do what you can. What you cannot do, watch other people do it. You are in a collusium of giants, and if you're not a giant you're another spectator. Sit and watch.
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It's painfully apparent who and who hasn't experienced clinical depression.
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On October 09 2012 14:49 MountainDewJunkie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2012 14:48 sickoota wrote:On October 09 2012 14:40 MountainDewJunkie wrote:On October 09 2012 14:37 corpuscle wrote:On October 09 2012 14:26 ROOTFayth wrote:On October 09 2012 14:19 corpuscle wrote:Every time I read a thread like this, I regret reading the comments because it just reinforces how misinformed people are about depression. People who are clinically depressed are not just going through a rough patch, they don't need logical answers to their issues, they aren't just being whiny. It's a disease, not a state of mind. If you think you're being helpful by pointing out why a depressed person "should" be happy or suggesting ways to get out of a temporary bad mood, you're not being helpful. It sounds silly, but that's pretty much the same thing as telling someone who has the flu that you're totally fine and they should do X, Y, and Z and they'll be healthy again. It just doesn't work that way, and you're being demeaning to people who suffer from depression when you belittle it by saying they're just being irrational. I guess I can't relate to any of that
why not just take medicine? Antidepressants provide some relief, but they don't cure/prevent/treat anything. They're like painkillers... if you have a busted knee, they give you percs so you can go through PT and actually fix the problem without it being excruciating. antidepressants + therapy then don't just sit there and do nothing he probably has people looking out for him, he has a fiance afaik... (I'm guessing in his current state of mind he wouldn't go out and seek help by himself) it's not like therapy and antidepressants is an instant fix... it's a complicated disease that has only been acknowledged as a real thing for 30-40 years, so nobody actually knows how to cure it. it's also worth noting that even someone who's relatively stable and happy can have depressive episodes, especially when stressed Calling it a complicated disease is debatable. Also, all the things you've described are aspects of life. We have trials, we have stresses, we try to cope, sometimes we cope poorly. Sometimes we get blue. These are most often situational influences, over "chemical imbalances." Life is depressing a lot of times. We are not inflicted with some mysterious disease. You shouldn't talk about things you know nothing about. I'm listening
The fact that you are unaware of what distinguishes clinical depression from feeling "blue" reveals a deep seated ignorance about the issue, yet you insist on thrusting forth your uninformed opinion against those with first hand experience. Have you read any Plato? You shouldn't talk about things you know nothing about.
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Admitting that rationality is irrational and irrationality is rational is ... rational, in my opinion. Many people take prescriptions against this "reasonable" conclusion (i.e. religion and other metaphysical hypotheses), though I don't believe they work for everyone --- doubt always creeps in.
If the absence of truth is an upsetting notion, you're probably stressed, malnourished, or in a bout of depression. Most people are upset when the psychological castles they've built their entire lives disintegrate. In my experience, improving your physical condition (healthy diet, exercise, social interaction) puts this type of sadness into a comical light; the realm of the absurd.
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If on the other hand this conclusion leads you to a sense of utter pointlessness (e.g. what's the point of even getting out of bed, it doesn't matter), then you may be clinically depressed.
You can be a happy nihilist. You can be a sad believer.
There are unhappy truths (logical truths, at least (as useful as they are)) about life and there are chemical/physiological factors controlling behavior and mood. Don't mistake one for the other and don't be too proud to find a solution, or things will get worse.
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If you're the kind of person who likes to read what others before you have thought, I'd suggest Kierkegaard and Nietzsche.
Kierkegaard's take is that meaninglessness allows humans to create their own meaning. He constructs this through the Christian system (see Sickness Unto Health). Chesterton makes a similar argument in Orthodoxy, that the paradoxes (he also uses Christianity) inherent in rational thinking should lead us to a place of infinite possibility.
Nietzsche's take in Will to Power is that utter meaninglessness ought to free you to achieve your wants. He believes that coping with meaninglessness is a stage of maturity, and the "free thinkers" of the world have a leg up on everyone else, something to grin about secretly.
(C.S. Lewis also has thoughts on the subject, but I don't recall them being worthwhile (obsequiously pro-providence).)
I haven't yet found proper attention given to the problem of lost motivation. I think when you put aside stresses, pain, fatigue, and the possibility of depression, a person should still have wants for things beyond their mere survival.
As you get older, everything around you that you take for granted starts to degrade to a point where your wants become simpler and simpler. You go from a point of believing that anything is possible to realizing that nothing is going to happen unless you put in the work and take the risks. I think life is most interesting when you look at it through the lens of, "For good or for regret, how is this enriching me as a person?"
Further aside:
I recently enjoyed the thriller Wolves Eat Dogs, by Martin Cruz Smith. The characters live in a dark world that is literally decaying around them; the conclusion is heartwarming on account of its simplicity. As a writer, Smith tends to build characters who are faced with a world rampant with nihilism (in the derogatory meaning); their heroics are the simple ways that they resist.
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On October 09 2012 15:12 coL.Minigun wrote:
It's painfully apparent who and who hasn't experienced clinical depression.
This is so true. Can't believe people are saying "oh just take meds/therapy/tree bark brah it's easy". Do they really think it is so simple? It's not a virus or a cold you don't just take medicine and get better. It penetrates the very fabric of your being. To offer a fix like that is pretty much insulting in my view. No one knows more about what Tyler is feeling than Tyler. To assume that he's just never tried to do anything about it is just stupid.
There may be no point in living but there's no point in dying either so you might as well start living and find made up reasons to do so. I realize to someone that is actually depressed that line of thought isn't easy to take hold of but it's how I personally reconcile my nihilism.
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On October 09 2012 14:57 EnderSword wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2012 14:50 Carthac wrote:
The glaring flaw in your logic of continually asking "why" to every reason behind the actions and feelings of a human being is the expectation that there is a conclusion that has been reached for some particular reason. Is there a reason why planets gravitate around bigger beings? Sure, there are forces that act upon it, but there is no reasoning behind why that object chose to gravitate. It is obeying the properties of the universe. It did not choose whether or not to gravitate, it just did.
If any of you that are suffering from depression, please take this piece of information. When you are pondering the meaning of life, whether life is worth living, etc., look at the mood you were in before you began thinking. Was it a bad mood? More often than not, you will lead to negative conclusions. Good mood? Just the opposite. We as humans often use our brain to rationalize the way we are feeling when there is often no reason to begin with. There are so many extraneous things acting internally/externally to your body that can alter your thinking that, if we are as rational as we would like to think we are, we constantly have to check and re-evaluate our answer along with the current mood we were in. If it was related to mood at the time, that would be a great relief, the reality is that it isn't. Your cognition is generally the same, you just have the mood to cope with it sometimes. One of my biggest disappointments with medications was the thinking was exactly the same..i just didn't have the negative emotions as much..or positive ones. Good mood or bad mood you kind of think the same, it doesn't really depend on the way you feel right then. That's why its 'clinical depression', not 'a bad mood' Yes its still the result of some force or interaction, everything is...but it is not the same as people having a bad day.
But you do realize you can come to different justifiably rational conclusions at two different points that is affected by setting, internal/external health, current life factors, etc. correct?
Example: An individual coming out of college has been invited out to a party by his friends. One night, he decides to go out and his justification is: I have not seen my friends in some time, I feel like meeting a few new people, the venue sounds fun.
Now go to the next week. You are invited once again, but this time you choose not to go. Your reasoning is: I just recently went and would like to save money, I have a new video game I want to start playing, and I am not in the mood to go out that night.
Both are perfectly rational conclusions that people make that differ from time to time. Now just apply the same logic to that on bigger issues in life. For example, one day you are pondering the meaning of life. One day you might arrive at the conclusion that life is meaningless because: When I am dead I will be gone forever, I am literally nothing in the grand scheme of the universe, and nothing on this planet actually means anything except to those that are living at the moment.
Another day you might arrive to the conclusion that life is meaningful because: I need to make the best of this one life to live because I will not have another one, Personal relationships and the journey through life brings me a steady flow of positive feelings that I greatly enjoy, and we as a species may be able to do something in this universe that can be at least somewhat meaningful.
Both of these situations can reach logical conclusions on both ends, but are greatly affected by internal/external extraneous factors that we do not analyze while we are coming to our conclusion of the question. Neurotransmitters in your brain are very powerful. You must understand them and realize how they can subtly and greatly affect your reasoning to a point that may bring you to harsh and rash conclusions
Edit: And I just read you may have been taking antidepressants looking for them to change your thought process? All antidepressants do is help your brain correct a possible imbalance in neurotransmitters in your brain. If you are not at a good place in your life, that will not change. If your depression was dependent on an imbalance of brain chemistry, your problem is solved. However, depression often leads you to situations in life that would cause anyone to become depressed. You have to change your situation and thought process through sheer will power, which therapy can greatly aid in doing
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I wish you the best NonY and really wish and as a SC2 fan sincerely hope that one day you will find joy in playing SC2 like you did BW and have the motivation to become a top player.
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On October 09 2012 15:19 Carthac wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2012 14:57 EnderSword wrote:On October 09 2012 14:50 Carthac wrote:
The glaring flaw in your logic of continually asking "why" to every reason behind the actions and feelings of a human being is the expectation that there is a conclusion that has been reached for some particular reason. Is there a reason why planets gravitate around bigger beings? Sure, there are forces that act upon it, but there is no reasoning behind why that object chose to gravitate. It is obeying the properties of the universe. It did not choose whether or not to gravitate, it just did.
If any of you that are suffering from depression, please take this piece of information. When you are pondering the meaning of life, whether life is worth living, etc., look at the mood you were in before you began thinking. Was it a bad mood? More often than not, you will lead to negative conclusions. Good mood? Just the opposite. We as humans often use our brain to rationalize the way we are feeling when there is often no reason to begin with. There are so many extraneous things acting internally/externally to your body that can alter your thinking that, if we are as rational as we would like to think we are, we constantly have to check and re-evaluate our answer along with the current mood we were in. If it was related to mood at the time, that would be a great relief, the reality is that it isn't. Your cognition is generally the same, you just have the mood to cope with it sometimes. One of my biggest disappointments with medications was the thinking was exactly the same..i just didn't have the negative emotions as much..or positive ones. Good mood or bad mood you kind of think the same, it doesn't really depend on the way you feel right then. That's why its 'clinical depression', not 'a bad mood' Yes its still the result of some force or interaction, everything is...but it is not the same as people having a bad day. But you do realize you can come to different justifiably rational conclusions at two different points that is affected by setting, internal/external health, current life factors, etc. correct? Example: An individual coming out of college has been invited out to a party by his friends. One night, he decides to go out and his justification is: I have not seen my friends in some time, I feel like meeting a few new people, the venue sounds fun. Now go to the next week. You are invited once again, but this time you choose not to go. Your reasoning is: I just recently went and would like to save money, I have a new video game I want to start playing, and I am not in the mood to go out that night. Both are perfectly rational conclusions that people make that differ from time to time. Now just apply the same logic to that on bigger issues in life. For example, one day you are pondering the meaning of life. One day you might arrive at the conclusion that life is meaningless because: When I am dead I will be gone forever, I am literally nothing in the grand scheme of the universe, and nothing on this planet actually means anything except to those that are living at the moment. Another day you might arrive to the conclusion that life is meaningful because: I need to make the best of this one life to live because I will not have another one, Personal relationships and the journey through life brings me a steady flow of positive feelings that I greatly enjoy, and we as a species may be able to do something in this universe that can be at least somewhat meaningful. Both of these situations can reach logical conclusions on both ends, but are greatly affected by internal/external extraneous factors that we do not analyze while we are coming to our conclusion of the question. Neurotransmitters in your brain are very powerful. You must understand them and realize how they can subtly and greatly affect your reasoning to a point that may bring you to harsh and rash conclusions Edit: And I just read you may have been taking antidepressants looking for them to change your thought process? All antidepressants do is help your brain correct a possible imbalance in neurotransmitters in your brain. If you are not at a good place in your life, that will not change. If your depression was dependent on an imbalance of brain chemistry, your problem is solved. However, depression often leads you to situations in life that would cause anyone to become depressed. You have to change your situation and thought process through sheer will power, which therapy can greatly aid in doing
Rationality is by definition that which is not contingent upon feelings/emotions. You can rationally describe your moods or emotions, but any "rational" conclusion which vacillates with your mood is de facto not rational. Nihilistic feelings do not have to a product of one mood or another. I suspect a large percentage of modern areligious young people would when pressed would espouse largely nihilistic worldviews, and yet they are largely happy, content to party and get good grades and live their lives nonetheless. They are supported by the "feelings" Nony talked about in his OP, that some goals (primarily happiness) are subjectively worth striving for even if they are not metaphysically significant. Depression is the cessation of these feelings. The depressed individual loses his barrier between reality and life, is no longer to look the other way. While anti-depressants can to some extent restore these feelings, the patient is left feeling somehow "inauthentic", as they know full well the rational conclusions of their thought, and though they might not feel so bad anymore, they don't feel good either. Even happiness can soon begin to feel inauthentic, empty and artificial, leading to the crash-fall/good day- bad day patterns of many depressed individuals.
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On October 09 2012 13:31 Liquid`NonY wrote:
I've received a lot of messages from sufferers of depression, thanking me and wishing me well. Though I've responded to very few, I do feel a responsibility. And as I've been acting out this week, it worries me that someone may view my weakness as an excuse to indulge in their own, perhaps doing more damage to themselves than I'm doing to myself. I've willed myself to behave and focus for long enough to write this to remind you that our feelings are diminished, not gone. Even as I write this, I feel a spark, and I hope this reminder gives you one too.
Well put.
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