On October 08 2012 10:16 phosphorylation wrote: In any case, the way to combat this sort of systematic racism (perceived or otherwise) is not to bow down to it but to become such a badass that it does not even matter. Of course, easier said than done, especially in such unfavorable environment.
It's really a much more complicated issue. Even a success story like Jeremy Lin faces racist sentiments and flack despite his level of success, and it begs the question as to why we should permit such inequalities in the first place (to draw a SC2 analogy, even if Fruitdealer was good enough to overcome the flaws of a terrible map pool in the first GSL, that doesn't justify keeping maps like Steppes of War or Jungle Basin in the map pool - while some people may point to the complexity of Fruitdealer's story as mentioned in that very well written TL article, that proves my point in displaying why certain individuals succeed in very contingent circumstances, and why those contingencies are not sufficient to address a generalized plane of inequality). Plus, it presumes the potential to succeed in the face of such systematic problems, when sometimes, the problem is inherently embedded within the social structure in the first place. Consider the role of Asian Americans in media - it's a self-reinforcing problem, lack of Asian-Americans in media lead to less exposure which lead to conscious or subconscious reluctance to accept Asian-Americans into the media.
Admiring someone for their race is just as stupid as hating someone for it.
Obviously I'm not American, so I don't know what it's like over there, but in NZ (Auckland) at least I don't think you would find so much blatant racist bullshit like you described in your post.
I think you're right in some way, white people do generally get an easier time of it, but as a foreigner living in Korea that works in my favour so I'm not gonna complain about it.
On October 08 2012 10:16 phosphorylation wrote: In any case, the way to combat this sort of systematic racism (perceived or otherwise) is not to bow down to it but to become such a badass that it does not even matter. Of course, easier said than done, especially in such unfavorable environment.
It's really a much more complicated issue. Even a success story like Jeremy Lin faces racist sentiments and flack despite his level of success, and it begs the question as to why we should permit such inequalities in the first place (to draw a SC2 analogy, even if Fruitdealer was good enough to overcome the flaws of a terrible map pool in the first GSL, that doesn't justify keeping maps like Steppes of War or Jungle Basin in the map pool - while some people may point to the complexity of Fruitdealer's story as mentioned in that very well written TL article, that proves my point in displaying why certain individuals succeed in very contingent circumstances, and why those contingencies are not sufficient to address a generalized plane of inequality). Plus, it presumes the potential to succeed in the face of such systematic problems, when sometimes, the problem is inherently embedded within the social structure in the first place. Consider the role of Asian Americans in media - it's a self-reinforcing problem, lack of Asian-Americans in media lead to less exposure which lead to conscious or subconscious reluctance to accept Asian-Americans into the media.
valid points; i did over-simplify the issue a little -- but i maintain that this is by far the most productive attitude to have as an individual. as a collective, i agree that some of these problems need to be tackled at the fundamental core.
On October 08 2012 10:16 phosphorylation wrote: In any case, the way to combat this sort of systematic racism (perceived or otherwise) is not to bow down to it but to become such a badass that it does not even matter. Of course, easier said than done, especially in such unfavorable environment.
It's really a much more complicated issue. Even a success story like Jeremy Lin faces racist sentiments and flack despite his level of success, and it begs the question as to why we should permit such inequalities in the first place (to draw a SC2 analogy, even if Fruitdealer was good enough to overcome the flaws of a terrible map pool in the first GSL, that doesn't justify keeping maps like Steppes of War or Jungle Basin in the map pool - while some people may point to the complexity of Fruitdealer's story as mentioned in that very well written TL article, that proves my point in displaying why certain individuals succeed in very contingent circumstances, and why those contingencies are not sufficient to address a generalized plane of inequality). Plus, it presumes the potential to succeed in the face of such systematic problems, when sometimes, the problem is inherently embedded within the social structure in the first place. Consider the role of Asian Americans in media - it's a self-reinforcing problem, lack of Asian-Americans in media lead to less exposure which lead to conscious or subconscious reluctance to accept Asian-Americans into the media.
valid points; i did over-simplify the issue a little -- but i maintain that this is by far the most productive attitude to have as an individual. as a collective, i agree that some of these problems need to be tackled at the fundamental core.
Yeah, I agree with you there. I just think that comments in this blog have been overly hostile towards the OP. People in general seem to have this knee-jerk reaction to any comments on things like racism, which seems to stem from the mantra of viewing the world as colorblind, when the reality of things are quite different. There was an interesting Newsweek article, "Is Your Baby Racist?" that pointed to studies where children grew up more tolerant when parents actively pointed out racial differences but explained them, rather than smoothing them over. In light of this, along with my personal knowledge gained from critical race studies and class studies courses, I think it's important for the OP to be able to express his views without getting shat on by a flood of angry reactionaries. He needs to be able to air his views in order to engage in dialogue with more reasonable views (like yours) in order to grapple with identity and relations towards society. If the angry voices win out, he just ends up internalizing the monologue and in the end, submitting to it.
On October 08 2012 10:16 phosphorylation wrote: In any case, the way to combat this sort of systematic racism (perceived or otherwise) is not to bow down to it but to become such a badass that it does not even matter. Of course, easier said than done, especially in such unfavorable environment.
It's really a much more complicated issue. Even a success story like Jeremy Lin faces racist sentiments and flack despite his level of success, and it begs the question as to why we should permit such inequalities in the first place (to draw a SC2 analogy, even if Fruitdealer was good enough to overcome the flaws of a terrible map pool in the first GSL, that doesn't justify keeping maps like Steppes of War or Jungle Basin in the map pool - while some people may point to the complexity of Fruitdealer's story as mentioned in that very well written TL article, that proves my point in displaying why certain individuals succeed in very contingent circumstances, and why those contingencies are not sufficient to address a generalized plane of inequality). Plus, it presumes the potential to succeed in the face of such systematic problems, when sometimes, the problem is inherently embedded within the social structure in the first place. Consider the role of Asian Americans in media - it's a self-reinforcing problem, lack of Asian-Americans in media lead to less exposure which lead to conscious or subconscious reluctance to accept Asian-Americans into the media.
valid points; i did over-simplify the issue a little -- but i maintain that this is by far the most productive attitude to have as an individual. as a collective, i agree that some of these problems need to be tackled at the fundamental core.
Yeah, I agree with you there. I just think that comments in this blog have been overly hostile towards the OP. People in general seem to have this knee-jerk reaction to any comments on things like racism, which seems to stem from the mantra of viewing the world as colorblind, when the reality of things are quite different. There was an interesting Newsweek article, "Is Your Baby Racist?" that pointed to studies where children grew up more tolerant when parents actively pointed out racial differences but explained them, rather than smoothing them over. In light of this, along with my personal knowledge gained from critical race studies and class studies courses, I think it's important for the OP to be able to express his views without getting shat on by a flood of angry reactionaries. He needs to be able to air his views in order to engage in dialogue with more reasonable views (like yours) in order to grapple with identity and relations towards society. If the angry voices win out, he just ends up internalizing the monologue and in the end, submitting to it.
That was a good article, and I like your stance. But do you disagree with anything i've said? Or just the tone?
"because I’ve been taught by society than I’m the white man’s bitch" society didnt teach you to be a white mans bitch, you taught yourself that, because i doubt majority of asians consider themselves to be a "white man's bitch".
On October 08 2012 10:16 phosphorylation wrote: In any case, the way to combat this sort of systematic racism (perceived or otherwise) is not to bow down to it but to become such a badass that it does not even matter. Of course, easier said than done, especially in such unfavorable environment.
It's really a much more complicated issue. Even a success story like Jeremy Lin faces racist sentiments and flack despite his level of success, and it begs the question as to why we should permit such inequalities in the first place (to draw a SC2 analogy, even if Fruitdealer was good enough to overcome the flaws of a terrible map pool in the first GSL, that doesn't justify keeping maps like Steppes of War or Jungle Basin in the map pool - while some people may point to the complexity of Fruitdealer's story as mentioned in that very well written TL article, that proves my point in displaying why certain individuals succeed in very contingent circumstances, and why those contingencies are not sufficient to address a generalized plane of inequality). Plus, it presumes the potential to succeed in the face of such systematic problems, when sometimes, the problem is inherently embedded within the social structure in the first place. Consider the role of Asian Americans in media - it's a self-reinforcing problem, lack of Asian-Americans in media lead to less exposure which lead to conscious or subconscious reluctance to accept Asian-Americans into the media.
valid points; i did over-simplify the issue a little -- but i maintain that this is by far the most productive attitude to have as an individual. as a collective, i agree that some of these problems need to be tackled at the fundamental core.
Yeah, I agree with you there. I just think that comments in this blog have been overly hostile towards the OP. People in general seem to have this knee-jerk reaction to any comments on things like racism, which seems to stem from the mantra of viewing the world as colorblind, when the reality of things are quite different. There was an interesting Newsweek article, "Is Your Baby Racist?" that pointed to studies where children grew up more tolerant when parents actively pointed out racial differences but explained them, rather than smoothing them over. In light of this, along with my personal knowledge gained from critical race studies and class studies courses, I think it's important for the OP to be able to express his views without getting shat on by a flood of angry reactionaries. He needs to be able to air his views in order to engage in dialogue with more reasonable views (like yours) in order to grapple with identity and relations towards society. If the angry voices win out, he just ends up internalizing the monologue and in the end, submitting to it.
That is a very astute post; I can't stand the ubiquitous, generalized response of "color-blindness" to when someone talks about injustices due to his color -- particularly, this kind of response seems popular when the racism in question deals with the less archetypal cases, namely those directed against asians and not, for instance, african-americans. A typical progression of these type of response involves putting down the OP, as to suggest that it has to be some sort of deficiency in him -- what else can it be, in this perfectly just society? -- that is causing this "perception" of racism. I'd say these people are either too non-observant and nonchalant about things directly outside their sphere and/or have never received the short end of the stick -- so they casually spit out the popular narrative since this issue does not really concern them.
OK, there is also the remote chance that they are indeed such badasses that such things minimally affect them, if at all. And this being TL, I am sure such BAMFs do exist...
On October 08 2012 08:31 Elegy wrote: Everything in this blog is anecdotal evidence based on a biased local sample of a handful of occurences, hyperbole, exaggeration, and selective bias...no, white people are not better than you.
I'm white...are Asian people really better than me? Maybe. They are smarter, harder workers, economically successful and have extraordinary discpline and cultural codes of ethics. They are better at things involving hand-eye coordination, ping pong, and badminton.
My guess is for every bad experience you've had with a white person, you attribute it to racism or view it with a racial slant. That is a bold assumption to make about your experiences...
Your counterargument is valid. However, have you ever seen a white female interested in an Asian man? Have you ever seen a white person get harassed by an Asian because he is white? Have you ever seen white people get beat up by Asian people? If you have, it definitely isn't as frequent as the reverse. I believe most people would agree Asians admire and bow down to whites more than whites admire and bow down to Asians.
You won't find many people around here who share those beliefs.
I think you misinterpreted him there. He isn't making a claim about how many Asians have an inferiority complex, rather that comparatively speaking, there are more Asians who "bow down" to whites than the vice versa. Which, unfortunately, I think is a true statement, particularly when you look at some of the Asian countries.
I think the OP has a huge inferiority complex. You need to stop thinking like that. It's just a self-fulfilling prophecy. America is a white person's country (built by white people) but other than that, there's nothing stopping you. Asian kids these generations are just as tall as white kids, the Western culture of working out has been starting to be ingrained in Asian kids and I see a lot of white girls interested in Asian men (no, not just anime lovers). Get a grip man, seriously. As a fellow Asian American, you need to stop putting yourself down.
EDIT: Ok, the OP's name explains it. Not to mention he's in high school.
On October 08 2012 11:48 phosphorylation wrote: I think you misinterpreted him there. He isn't making a claim about how many Asians have an inferiority complex, rather that comparatively speaking, there are more Asians who "bow down" to whites than the vice versa. Which, unfortunately, I think is a true statement, particularly when you look at some of the Asian countries.
It's true to an extent, especially because America is built by White people while Asian people are relatively new in terms of generational immigration. If a white family went to live in Japan right now, wouldn't that family feel compelled to follow Japanese society rules and try to fit in? It's not until 3rd or 4th generation until the members of the family feel like that country is their country, and they begin to really try to develop their lost ethnic ties with their origin country.
On October 08 2012 10:16 phosphorylation wrote: In any case, the way to combat this sort of systematic racism (perceived or otherwise) is not to bow down to it but to become such a badass that it does not even matter. Of course, easier said than done, especially in such unfavorable environment.
It's really a much more complicated issue. Even a success story like Jeremy Lin faces racist sentiments and flack despite his level of success, and it begs the question as to why we should permit such inequalities in the first place (to draw a SC2 analogy, even if Fruitdealer was good enough to overcome the flaws of a terrible map pool in the first GSL, that doesn't justify keeping maps like Steppes of War or Jungle Basin in the map pool - while some people may point to the complexity of Fruitdealer's story as mentioned in that very well written TL article, that proves my point in displaying why certain individuals succeed in very contingent circumstances, and why those contingencies are not sufficient to address a generalized plane of inequality). Plus, it presumes the potential to succeed in the face of such systematic problems, when sometimes, the problem is inherently embedded within the social structure in the first place. Consider the role of Asian Americans in media - it's a self-reinforcing problem, lack of Asian-Americans in media lead to less exposure which lead to conscious or subconscious reluctance to accept Asian-Americans into the media.
valid points; i did over-simplify the issue a little -- but i maintain that this is by far the most productive attitude to have as an individual. as a collective, i agree that some of these problems need to be tackled at the fundamental core.
Yeah, I agree with you there. I just think that comments in this blog have been overly hostile towards the OP. People in general seem to have this knee-jerk reaction to any comments on things like racism, which seems to stem from the mantra of viewing the world as colorblind, when the reality of things are quite different. There was an interesting Newsweek article, "Is Your Baby Racist?" that pointed to studies where children grew up more tolerant when parents actively pointed out racial differences but explained them, rather than smoothing them over. In light of this, along with my personal knowledge gained from critical race studies and class studies courses, I think it's important for the OP to be able to express his views without getting shat on by a flood of angry reactionaries. He needs to be able to air his views in order to engage in dialogue with more reasonable views (like yours) in order to grapple with identity and relations towards society. If the angry voices win out, he just ends up internalizing the monologue and in the end, submitting to it.
That was a good article, and I like your stance. But do you disagree with anything i've said? Or just the tone?
I disagree with your points. I think you focus too much on blaming the OP ("you are racist as shit") instead of working through his ideas in a constructive dialogue. It's partly tone, but also partly content, since you form your message in a way that only addresses him personally and not him in relation to the society that he lives in, and you are too quick to dismiss the idea there may be some truth to his view that society has some racism (although how he should deal with it is an entirely different question). While his youth does play a role, youths aren't solely defined by their sexuality, so it would be incorrect to label his issues merely one of needing to get laid (by a white girl).
On October 08 2012 08:16 fatfail wrote: Foreward: -I live in a relatively good community with rather high property prices. (it isn't a ghetto by any means) -I live in a primarily Asian community. -I currently go to high school.
As a Chinese American, I am wondering why do people always admire Caucasians? All the Asian girls in this region (possibly everywhere) struggle to get white boyfriends. Asian boyfriends are a “last resort” and are stepping stones to better (and whiter) things. Additionally, white people who call Asians chinks never experience retaliation while calling a white person anything slightly derogatory will result in possibly getting attacked. Thank god the only classes I have had in which I encountered white people were PE and health. There aren’t many “normal” white people at my school. I define “normal” as does not get into fights, does not smoke weed, and cares about school and learning at least a little bit. Every white person seems to be the generic delinquent, loitering on campus for hours, smoking some pot with buddies, wandering the streets, skateboarding, and then getting home at 12, doing a half assed job on half of his homework, and then chatting with his Asian girlfriend until 3am. Additionally, old white women in cars sometimes honk and scream at my father for not yielding to them, even when he has right of way. This is a combination of the fact he is a “fucking chink” and he drives a ’97 civic. I find myself yielding to this pressure as well. For instance, last week I was watching something on my phone while standing on the sidewalk in the neighborhood. A white person came out of an adjacent home and told me to fuck off (because I am Chinese). I immediately ran away. However, had that been an Asian person, I probably would have reasoned with him and explained that I have the right to stand on the sidewalk because it is public property. A few weeks ago, a fat white woman in a car screamed and threated to kill me because I was riding my bike in the vehicle lane for a left turn, despite the fact I gestured left with my arm. This is completely legal and is required for the safety for both the cyclist and drivers. She screamed, “GET THE FUCK OFF THE ROAD, YOU DON’T OWN THE ROAD.” I immediately complied. You see, I fear white people. I think white people are better than me, even though I can’t bring myself to admit it. I just listen to them because they are white, and because I’ve been taught by society than I’m the white man’s bitch. In my subconscious, I think they are better than me in every way because they are white and I’m Asian. Are white people really better than me? Maybe. They are taller, have more angular facial features, are stronger, are more athletic, and are faster than Chinese people. They have been pwning eastern society’s military, economy, and society ever since the Ming dynasty. This has caused me to continually consider the nature of this superiority. Are whites really the master race and is that why I am the white man’s bitch? Or am I actually just as good as the white man, and I’ve just let my weak peers influence my perspective of the world? This is something to think about, and maybe some of you guys can give me an answer.
Was going to 7/10, but it's already page 3 with serious discussion. So 9/10. Well played.
On October 08 2012 08:31 Elegy wrote: Everything in this blog is anecdotal evidence based on a biased local sample of a handful of occurences, hyperbole, exaggeration, and selective bias...no, white people are not better than you.
I'm white...are Asian people really better than me? Maybe. They are smarter, harder workers, economically successful and have extraordinary discpline and cultural codes of ethics. They are better at things involving hand-eye coordination, ping pong, and badminton.
My guess is for every bad experience you've had with a white person, you attribute it to racism or view it with a racial slant. That is a bold assumption to make about your experiences...
I believe most people would agree Asians admire and bow down to whites more than whites admire and bow down to Asians.
You seem bitter because you had a few bad experiences and asian girls won't pay attention to you allegedly because you're not white. Replace the word "white" with any other minority in your blog and you would be banned for being absurdly racist lol
On October 08 2012 10:31 Bswhunter wrote: Dude come to Australia. Very multicultural, no redneck pricks trying to enforce their beliefs.
To be perfectly honest, it's a mix of both how you think and how society is in the United States. I think that Asians are the latest arrival of immigrants starting with the Chinese and Japanese, and then Koreans, Vietnamese, etc. The fact of the matter is, discrimination is everywhere for minorities of any nation or race. I'm Asian and I admit, when I go to a white neighborhood, I feel a bit out of place, but that's it. If anyone would pick on me for being Asian, I don't give a fuck who they are, I'll fight back and defend myself (verbally physically if I have to). The most important thing that people seem to forget, is that it's usually inside your head. Just remember, stand up for yourself, fuck the others. You are fatfail (I'm sorry I don't know your actual name) before you are a Chinese American. Stand up for your identity, your existence. Don't let anyone assert themselves over you. You have JUST as much right as they do to do whatever the fuck you want.
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