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On October 08 2012 08:31 fatfail wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2012 08:22 Chairman Ray wrote:
There is no evidence suggesting racial superiority, and there is no trend suggesting it either. I think you are just using that as an excuse for lower self confidence. I'm sure you won't disagree with the statement that a lot of people in the past and present have believed or do believe in racial superiority. I'm merely noting how that prevalent belief has persisted and affects society to the point where I wonder if it is valid or not.
A lot of people have that belief, namely neo-nazis and the kkk. Just because many people have that belief does not mean that it is valid. There was never any scientific research done regarding racial superiority, therefore the belief that one race is superior is completely irrational. If such research is ever conducted, it will be censored due to the fact that it will cause a lot of violence. The truth is that every race and ethnicity has a lot of representation in both academics and athletics, especially China, so if you require any information that will motivate you to feel equal to white people, this is it.
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Chinese people invented gunpowder before white people did, so it's not as bad as you think.
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On October 08 2012 08:59 fatfail wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2012 08:49 Shady Sands wrote:On October 08 2012 08:16 fatfail wrote:
Foreward:
-I live in a relatively good community with rather high property prices. (it isn't a ghetto by any means)
-I live in a primarily Asian community.
-I currently go to high school.
As a Chinese American, I am wondering why do people always admire Caucasians? All the Asian girls in this region (possibly everywhere) struggle to get white boyfriends. Asian boyfriends are a “last resort” and are stepping stones to better (and whiter) things. Additionally, white people who call Asians chinks never experience retaliation while calling a white person anything slightly derogatory will result in possibly getting attacked. Thank god the only classes I have had in which I encountered white people were PE and health. There aren’t many “normal” white people at my school. I define “normal” as does not get into fights, does not smoke weed, and cares about school and learning at least a little bit. Every white person seems to be the generic delinquent, loitering on campus for hours, smoking some pot with buddies, wandering the streets, skateboarding, and then getting home at 12, doing a half assed job on half of his homework, and then chatting with his Asian girlfriend until 3am. Additionally, old white women in cars sometimes honk and scream at my father for not yielding to them, even when he has right of way. This is a combination of the fact he is a “fucking chink” and he drives a ’97 civic. I find myself yielding to this pressure as well. For instance, last week I was watching something on my phone while standing on the sidewalk in the neighborhood. A white person came out of an adjacent home and told me to fuck off (because I am Chinese). I immediately ran away. However, had that been an Asian person, I probably would have reasoned with him and explained that I have the right to stand on the sidewalk because it is public property. A few weeks ago, a fat white woman in a car screamed and threated to kill me because I was riding my bike in the vehicle lane for a left turn, despite the fact I gestured left with my arm. This is completely legal and is required for the safety for both the cyclist and drivers. She screamed, “GET THE FUCK OFF THE ROAD, YOU DON’T OWN THE ROAD.” I immediately complied. You see, I fear white people. I think white people are better than me, even though I can’t bring myself to admit it. I just listen to them because they are white, and because I’ve been taught by society than I’m the white man’s bitch. In my subconscious, I think they are better than me in every way because they are white and I’m Asian. Are white people really better than me? Maybe. They are taller, have more angular facial features, are stronger, are more athletic, and are faster than Chinese people. They have been pwning eastern society’s military, economy, and society ever since the Ming dynasty. This has caused me to continually consider the nature of this superiority. Are whites really the master race and is that why I am the white man’s bitch? Or am I actually just as good as the white man, and I’ve just let my weak peers influence my perspective of the world? This is something to think about, and maybe some of you guys can give me an answer. Er... you probably live in flyover country Don't worry college is just around the corner No, I actually live in the northern populated part of the golden state. And I'll admit my post may be slightly sensationalized and I'm not traumatized or really "outraged" by any means. However, the fact remains that people leave white people alone because they are scary and alpha and smoke pot and aren't afraid to kick your ass. This doesn't bother me, because I just avoid white people, but still, why do I need to do this? Why do I need to purposely avoid white people so I don't get fucked up? Why?
Dude this honestly sounds like an issue with you as opposed to being Asian
Get jacked
Get a job, get a car, get in a fight once or twice
If shit gets really bad, befriend a civil rights attorney, keep your cell phone camera handy, and start recording some of this shit and filing lawsuits
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Ok, first of all, there is no master race. Western society just lucked out with a series of technological advancements and got a head start on everyone. Furthermore, although each race has natural strengths and weaknesses, the confirmed ones are always relatively insignificant (i.e. blacks' superior leg muscles).
Second of all, I'm sincerely sorry you have to hang with the lowest common denominator of the human race. I really am. Once you leave, I'm fairly certain you'll find that most white people have more than an empty cavity between their ears.
Third of all, get some self confidence! When some dumb old lady yells at you for retarded shit, don't just walk away, tail between your legs. Stand up for yourself!
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They are taller, have more angular facial features, are stronger, are more athletic, and are faster than Chinese people.
Bullshit.
Heard of a guy named Liu Xiang? One of the best 100m hurdle runners of all time. You might be able to quantitatively show that "white" people are on average taller, but that is probably the limit. How would you even quantify "more athletic" or even "faster"?
More importantly, how does that matter? Why would that make a person superior. Last I checked Usian Bolt isn't superior to myself or anyone else, except in the context of his event.
While it sucks that you have to live in a place with blatant, oppressive racism it sounds like your really starting to really accept it and are starting to use this kind of bullshit pseudoscience to convince yourself that such behavior is justified. Do yourself a favor and stop with the bullshit. You don't deserve it.
There is no evidence suggesting racial superiority, and there is no trend suggesting it either. I think you are just using that as an excuse for lower self confidence.
This +1000.
There is zero genetic difference for racial superiority or even "race". As far as science is concerned "race" does not exist. Don't sell yourself short.
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On October 08 2012 09:21 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
Ok, first of all, there is no master race. Western society just lucked out with a series of technological advancements and got a head start on everyone. Furthermore, although each race has natural strengths and weaknesses, the confirmed ones are always relatively insignificant (i.e. blacks' superior leg muscles).
I do not even know where to begin on this comment. Like seriously? please tell me you're trolling.
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Your superiority thing is called social darwinism, and its bullshit, js. Futhermore I think you are overgeneralizing a LOT of the white-people and asian people there. I'm white, I'm not mean like that, my family, friends, etc. are not like that. Furthermore I have never seen this kind of reverse racism seem so weird. I don't mean to say this is impossible, of course its not, I've just never seen someone say that its so spread that every white person must be like this  . I think you should take a look at how you view this situation, then see how many people in total you judged over a day out of the total number of white people either you know or live in your city. I hope your experience gets better  .
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I gotta be honest - you are racist as shit.
- Every white person is a delinquent but has an asian girlfriend - maybe they are just cooler than you because that shit is "cool" when you are in highschool.
- Women drivers yell at your dad - people yell at me all the time while driving, and I yell at them; some drivers just yell at other people because they get pissed.
- A guy tells you to go away when you are loitering outside his house - Chinese people are definitely known for being teenage thieves so it was definitely because you were chinese, right? [/sarcasm]
- A woman yelled at a bicyclist in the middle of the road - sorry for more sarcasm here, but maybe chinese people shouldn't always ride bicycles. No seriously, every bicyclist gets yelled at.
You seem incredibly sheltered and harbor a racist attitude towards non-asians, which you then portray as racism on their part. As someone who has traveled to many places in the world, I have never been in a more racist country than China, so on the one hand it doesn't surprise me. But to give you some perspective, here's a rewritten version of your story, from a different perspective.
Foreward:
-I live in a relatively good community with rather high property prices. (it isn't a ghetto by any means)
-I live in a primarily White community.
-I currently go to high school.
As a White American, I am wondering why do people always admire African Americans? All the White girls in this region (possibly everywhere) struggle to get white boyfriends. White boyfriends are a “last resort” and are stepping stones to better (and blacker) things. Additionally, black people who call Whites Crackers never experience retaliation while calling a black person anything slightly derogatory will result in possibly getting attacked. Thank god the only classes I have had in which I encountered black people were PE and health. There aren’t many “normal” black people at my school. I define “normal” as does not get into fights, does not smoke weed, and cares about school and learning at least a little bit. Every black person seems to be the generic delinquent, loitering on campus for hours, smoking some pot with buddies, wandering the streets, skateboarding, and then getting home at 12, doing a half assed job on half of his homework, and then chatting with his White girlfriend until 3am. Additionally, old black women in cars sometimes honk and scream at my father for not yielding to them, even when he has right of way. This is a combination of the fact he is a “fucking Cracker” and he drives a ’97 civic. I find myself yielding to this pressure as well. For instance, last week I was watching something on my phone while standing on the sidewalk in the neighborhood. A black person came out of an adjacent home and told me to fuck off (because I am White). I immediately ran away. However, had that been an White person, I probably would have reasoned with him and explained that I have the right to stand on the sidewalk because it is public property. A few weeks ago, a fat black woman in a car screamed and threated to kill me because I was riding my bike in the vehicle lane for a left turn, despite the fact I gestured left with my arm. This is completely legal and is required for the safety for both the cyclist and drivers. She screamed, “GET THE FUCK OFF THE ROAD, YOU DON’T OWN THE ROAD.” I immediately complied. You see, I fear black people. I think black people are better than me, even though I can’t bring myself to admit it. I just listen to them because they are black , and because I’ve been taught by society than I’m the black man’s bitch. In my subconscious, I think they are better than me in every way because they are black and I’m White. Are black people really better than me? Maybe. They are taller, have more angular facial features, are stronger, are more athletic, and are faster than White people. They have been powering the USA's military, economy, and society ever since the 1700s. This has caused me to continually consider the nature of this superiority. Are blacks really the master race and is that why I am the black man’s bitch? Or am I actually just as good as the black man, and I’ve just let my weak peers influence my perspective of the world? This is something to think about, and maybe some of you guys can give me an answer.
All I did was change the races.
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Your an idiot.
No white people aren't superior to asian people, and no, not all white people are pot smoking, violent criminals. However I sometimes do feel that western culture seems to have one great difference to (some) asian cultures: you don't get respect as easy here, in most cases you are going to have to take it. Assertiveness and maybe some form of (controlled) agression go a long way in the white man's land so you just have to play along.
If someone gives you shit without reason then give them shit back. If they try to hurt you or physically push you around go Bruce Lee on their ass and they will leave you alone.
Even if people treat you friendly and are respectful, you'll still need to be assertive to get somewhere.
I'm not saying you should go around being an asshole, but you will have to learn to stand your ground and demand the respect you deserve. Also get rid of that rediculous infiriority complex of yours, because if you feel like you are less than someone you sure as hell are gonna get treated that way.
Edit: Just to give an example; I grew up in what you could call a redneck town with mostly white people that were in a lot of cases were dumb, ignorant, and had a tendency to solve discussions with their fists. I had a couple of Asian friends who also grew up there, but apparently unlike you they knew how to play the game. As I said, they didn't let themselves get pushed around and as a result they are treated just the same way any other person in that town is.
Edit #2: That guy above me also has a good point. I encounter plenty of assholes who give me shit as well, even though we are of the same race. Color has relatively little to do with it I think.
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I realized I never summed things up.
Your Issues
- You are racist.
- You have an inferiority complex.
- You are in highschool.
Solutions
- Stop being a racist. There isn't more to this, just stop attributing things to race.
- Grow up and take control of something. Get involved in an extracurricular activity and take a strong leadership role. This will give you a stronger feeling of self-worth and will earn you some of the external respect you crave.
- Wait. Keep studying, do well in school, go to college, and keep taking leadership roles in non-school stuff. Pretty soon you'll be older and you'll have the experience to be in a commanding position, and you won't have to whine to TL about how you can't get a girlfriend (because deep down, you and I both know that was what this was really about).
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To be honest I thought Asians were taught that they were smarter... more conniving. Just like Jews in this sense.
But that Black people were more athletic. And White people were kind of in between. Then there's always talk of exceptions and work ethic where people point to Obama and say that he's black and successful and intelligent.
If not directly then subconsciously. And We were also taught that white was prettier. White skin is better.
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I can sort of sympathize (not with the inferiority complex but about Asians getting generally shafted)but ... then you took it to such extremes that you kinda lost me. I also live in Northern California. Which city are you in, if you don't mind telling me?
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On October 08 2012 09:52 iGrok wrote:I realized I never summed things up. Your Issues- You are racist.
- You have an inferiority complex.
- You are in highschool.
Solutions- Stop being a racist. There isn't more to this, just stop attributing things to race.
- Grow up and take control of something. Get involved in an extracurricular activity and take a strong leadership role. This will give you a stronger feeling of self-worth and will earn you some of the external respect you crave.
- Wait. Keep studying, do well in school, go to college, and keep taking leadership roles in non-school stuff. Pretty soon you'll be older and you'll have the experience to be in a commanding position, and you won't have to whine to TL about how you can't get a girlfriend (because deep down, you and I both know that was what this was really about).
Finally a sane person.
This dude needs to get laid, fuck a white girl and then all of a sudden the perceived racism will be gone.
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On October 08 2012 09:59 Tommie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2012 09:52 iGrok wrote:I realized I never summed things up. Your Issues- You are racist.
- You have an inferiority complex.
- You are in highschool.
Solutions- Stop being a racist. There isn't more to this, just stop attributing things to race.
- Grow up and take control of something. Get involved in an extracurricular activity and take a strong leadership role. This will give you a stronger feeling of self-worth and will earn you some of the external respect you crave.
- Wait. Keep studying, do well in school, go to college, and keep taking leadership roles in non-school stuff. Pretty soon you'll be older and you'll have the experience to be in a commanding position, and you won't have to whine to TL about how you can't get a girlfriend (because deep down, you and I both know that was what this was really about).
Finally a sane person. This dude needs to get laid, fuck a white girl and then all of a sudden the perceived racism will be gone.
I don't agree with this (not to mention that it is very unlikely to happen, as opposed to the converse happening).
He did exaggerate way too much and also has an appalling amount of self-hate and inferiority complex, but the first half or so of his post does have an element of truth in it.
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On October 08 2012 09:03 Chairman Ray wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2012 08:31 fatfail wrote:On October 08 2012 08:22 Chairman Ray wrote:
There is no evidence suggesting racial superiority, and there is no trend suggesting it either. I think you are just using that as an excuse for lower self confidence. I'm sure you won't disagree with the statement that a lot of people in the past and present have believed or do believe in racial superiority. I'm merely noting how that prevalent belief has persisted and affects society to the point where I wonder if it is valid or not. A lot of people have that belief, namely neo-nazis and the kkk. Just because many people have that belief does not mean that it is valid. There was never any scientific research done regarding racial superiority, therefore the belief that one race is superior is completely irrational. If such research is ever conducted, it will be censored due to the fact that it will cause a lot of violence. The truth is that every race and ethnicity has a lot of representation in both academics and athletics, especially China, so if you require any information that will motivate you to feel equal to white people, this is it.
I don't think the OP was prescriptively claiming that there is a superior race, but rather descriptively pointing out that there is systematic racism that favors a certain race generally in society.
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In any case, the way to combat this sort of systematic racism (perceived or otherwise) is not to bow down to it but to become such a badass that it does not even matter.
Of course, easier said than done, especially in such unfavorable environment.
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On October 08 2012 09:28 s0Li wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2012 09:21 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
Ok, first of all, there is no master race. Western society just lucked out with a series of technological advancements and got a head start on everyone. Furthermore, although each race has natural strengths and weaknesses, the confirmed ones are always relatively insignificant (i.e. blacks' superior leg muscles).
I do not even know where to begin on this comment. Like seriously? please tell me you're trolling.
Which part do you take issue with? The comment on how Western society got where it did, or how different races are predisposed to have slight advantages and disadvantages in certain areas?
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On October 08 2012 10:03 phosphorylation wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2012 09:59 Tommie wrote:On October 08 2012 09:52 iGrok wrote:I realized I never summed things up. Your Issues- You are racist.
- You have an inferiority complex.
- You are in highschool.
Solutions- Stop being a racist. There isn't more to this, just stop attributing things to race.
- Grow up and take control of something. Get involved in an extracurricular activity and take a strong leadership role. This will give you a stronger feeling of self-worth and will earn you some of the external respect you crave.
- Wait. Keep studying, do well in school, go to college, and keep taking leadership roles in non-school stuff. Pretty soon you'll be older and you'll have the experience to be in a commanding position, and you won't have to whine to TL about how you can't get a girlfriend (because deep down, you and I both know that was what this was really about).
Finally a sane person. This dude needs to get laid, fuck a white girl and then all of a sudden the perceived racism will be gone. I don't agree with this (not to mention that it is very unlikely to happen, as opposed to the converse happening). He did exaggerate way too much and also has an appalling amount of self-hate and inferiority complex, but the first half or so of his post does have an element of truth in it.
Ok, so I've got nothing better to do atm, so i'm going to just see what I can find here.
Here's the first half (and a bit) of his post. I'm going to put in green the things that might be anti-asian, red the things that are the OP being racist, and blue the things that have no racial component when looked at objectively or could be said about any race. And for fun, I'm going to bold the actually important stuff.
As a Chinese American, I am wondering why do people always admire Caucasians? All the Asian girls in this region (possibly everywhere) struggle to get white boyfriends. Asian boyfriends are a “last resort” and are stepping stones to better (and whiter) things. Additionally, white people who call Asians chinks never experience retaliation while calling a white person anything slightly derogatory will result in possibly getting attacked. Thank god the only classes I have had in which I encountered white people were PE and health. There aren’t many “normal” white people at my school. I define “normal” as does not get into fights, does not smoke weed, and cares about school and learning at least a little bit. Every white person seems to be the generic delinquent, loitering on campus for hours, smoking some pot with buddies, wandering the streets, skateboarding, and then getting home at 12, doing a half assed job on half of his homework, and then chatting with his Asian girlfriend until 3am. Additionally, old white women in cars sometimes honk and scream at my father for not yielding to them, even when he has right of way. This is a combination of the fact he is a “fucking chink” and he drives a ’97 civic. I find myself yielding to this pressure as well. For instance, last week I was watching something on my phone while standing on the sidewalk in the neighborhood. A white person came out of an adjacent home and told me to fuck off (because I am Chinese). I immediately ran away. However, had that been an Asian person, I probably would have reasoned with him and explained that I have the right to stand on the sidewalk because it is public property.
So, really the only possible nugget of truth in there was that Asian boyfriends in highschool are a "last resort" and are stepping stones.
Just for fun, lets keep living in his world, where racial stereotypes are the defining feature!
Weekend schedule of the Asian boyfriend:
Friday after school: Home to study
Friday Night: Traditional dinner with family
Saturday Morning: Chores
Saturday Midday: Piano Practice
Saturday Night: Study for SATs
Sunday Morning: Church
Sunday Midday:Study for schoolwork
Sunday Night: School night can't go out, keep studying.
Weekend schedule of the White boyfriend:
Friday after school: Hang out with friends on campus
Friday Night: Go see a movie with girlfriend and other people
Saturday Morning: Sleep in
Saturday Midday: Hang out at the Skate park
Saturday Night: Party at John's house, his parents are out of town! Dance with and hook up with girlfriend
Sunday Morning: Sleep in
Sunday Midday: Skating
Sunday Night: Do enough homework to pass
Now why would the Asian girl want to have a white boyfriend I wonder? Remember, we're living in his world where racial stereotypes are completely legit.
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Dude come to Australia. Very multicultural, no redneck pricks trying to enforce their beliefs.
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Well, in TL, it seems there's a general KR > CN > EU > NA going on lol.
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