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The time has come: MKP as GSL Favourite

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Yonnua
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2331 Posts
September 27 2012 19:30 GMT
#1
Last GSL I did a statistical analysis of the Round of 8 based on the past performance of the players. My prediction had Taeja winning a close final against Seed. I was a little bit off. This time, I'm a little bit more comfortable with my prediction, because the margins in my stats aren't anywhere near as close as last time. As the title suggests, my prediction is that Marineking will finally win a GSL title.

How on earth, you ask? Let me go through it with you.

Quarter Finals:

MarineKing versus Life

This has the potential for being the closest possible match of the final 3 rounds. My odds have MarineKing at a 50.54% chance of advancing, so statistically it's insanely close. MarineKing has the better head to head and the better match win rate against zerg, but Life has the better set winrate against terran.

In terms of what the match will likely be, both of the players have a habit of playing off-the-wall exciting styles. However, whilst Life has more success winning individual sets with his unanticipated style of play, MarineKing has the more solid match win rate. That suggests that he has more potential for solid play and if he's able to overcome Life's ingenuity, he'll be able to prevail. The hardest match to predict, but the stats are just on the side of MarineKing, and with a recent win over Curious in the Ro16, he's looking solid to take this.

My prediction: MarineKing 3-2 Life

Taeja versus Leenock

Taeja finishing second in his group produces the weird result that whoever won group B would be cursed by having to go against him, meaning it was actually probably preferable to come second. Leenock now has an immense burden upon him if he wants to advance.

In TvZ, Taeja's only dropped 1 BoX match this year, whereas Leenock only has a 60% match win rate. Statistically, it should be a sweep in Taeja's favour, but Leenock could well bring a few surprises to the table. He's becoming known for really solid play in all his matchups and he could well simply overpower Taeja's aggressive style. However, given Taeja's insane dominance in the matchup, it looks like this won't be that much of a challenge.

My prediction: Taeja 3-1 Leenock

Rain versus HerO

This match is the result of unfortunate bracketing for everybody involved; it's the worst match up of both players and will give the viewers a PvP, known for being "unentertaining". However, given that both of the players have recently overcome major hurdles in the matchup, namely Parting and Squirtle, it could be a lot more interesting than people expect.

Until his OSL bout against Parting, Rain had zero BoX wins in PvP, and a below 50% ratio in individual sets. Given that HerO just took out Squirtle, arguably the best PvPer in the world, in the Ro16, it shouldn't be a surprise that he's the odds-on favourite for this match. It would be a pretty big surprise to see Rain win this, but for a player known for taking down seemingly better opponents and given the tiny number of games in his sample size, it could be that Rain will defy stats and go straight to a GSL ro4.

My prediction: HerO 3-1 Rain

Mvp versus Symbol

Before I ran through all the stats, I looked at the brackets and judged who I felt would win each of the matches. That gave me Mvp pushing his way to the final against Taeja and narrowly edging out a win. Now that I've looked through the stats, that doesn't seem likely. Symbol has a dominating win% in TvZ, and Mvp will really need to pull out all the stops to take him down.

Normally I'd credit Mvp's macro, especially given his outstanding TvZ at IEM Cologne, but after Symbol's Ro16 performance which showed that he just gets late game zerg, I have little faith for Mvp pulling this one off. But he is the master of build orders, so if anybody can find a way to penetrate Symbol, it'll be Mvp.

My prediction: Symbol 3-1 Mvp

Semi Finals:

MarineKing versus Taeja

Just looking at this match, I can't help but see the words "Taeja 3-0" in my head, and I'm not really somebody that credits Taeja that highly. Oddly enough, when I looked at the stats, MarineKing seems to be the favourite. MarineKing seems to have dropped his terrible TvT now, with a 35-10 record this year, up against Taeja's 41-23. Taeja may have the higher sample size, but MarineKing's raw % puts him out as the favourite.

According to MarineKing, his Ro16 losses to Mvp were purely mental, and history shows us that when MarineKing gets on a roll, he doesn't stop for much. If he hits the Semi Finals I don't seem his mentality being an issue. Instead, I think it'll help to push him over the edge to finish Taeja in a close but ultimately epic series.

My prediction: MarineKing 3-2 Taeja

HerO versus Symbol

HerO's vZ is the stuff of legend, rivalled only by Taeja's, and there's a reason for the hype. HerO has a 75% set winrate in the match-up this year, and only 2 BoX match losses. Symbol's good at ZvP, don't get me wrong, but he isn't even comparable to HerO. HerO always seems to get playoff jitters at GSL, but if he gets past Rain he may just be able to rally past the "Liquid Line" that Jinro set so long ago and make a finals appearance.

On paper, he has the match sorted. Symbol's adequate 61% match win rate in ZvP is nothign compare to the nearly 90% match win rate that HerO boasts in PvZ. He's nothing short of a monster, and despite Symbol's fantastic late game, I see no way that the TSL zerg will be able to Nydus his way around HerO's success.

My prediction: HerO 3-1 Symbol

Finals: MarineKing versus HerO

A year and a half ago predicting MarineKing in a finals wouldn't be anything remarkable. I even had a running joke where I would predict every tournament as "1st: Mvp, 2nd: MKP, 3rd: Sen". Nowadays, it seems unthinkable to even put him close to a final. He only has 1 Code S Ro8 on record, and it was in January 2011. But, according to the statistics, it makes sense to predict him in this one. He's got over his group stage hump, and if he can win his close series against Life then he has all the potential of making it to this finals.

Meanwhile, HerO was probably not somebody many people knew back in January 2011. He was just an oGs B-teamer with above average PvZ. He's been through a lot since then. Swapping to liquid, becoming their ace for a long stay before sharing the role with Taeja, grabbing a championship at Dreamhack and dominating his way to playoffs in the GSL a couple of times. But he's another player who has issues with nerves.

It probably makes sense that the statistical approach yields 2 players who on paper are brilliant but suffer losses to their own mentalities, but from an objective perspective, these guys could go all the way. Which one wins is another question entirely.

MarineKing brings to the table a 77% set win rate and 82% match win rate in TvP. HerO has a slightly less insane 65% and 72%. Their head-to-head has 2 games, none from this year. They're 1-1 with HerO taking WCG Korea and MarineKing taking the ZOTAC team invitational. Ultimately, this is good news for fantastic games, because neither of them will have mentality issues with the other. If MarineKing makes it there by beating Taeja, HerO will have a little extra motivation to avenge his comrade, but other than that it's a straight matchup.

So, who wins? Of the two fan favourites, MarineKing has a dominating statistical lead, and given that this blog is primarily about who should win, statistically, I'll predict him. But then again, he is cursed, so it won't be an easy run for him.

My prediction: MarineKing 4-2 HerO

My alternative Prediction

MarineKing makes it to the finals defeating every other player in less than 10 minutes. He gets to fight his rival, Mvp in the final match and gets the series tied up at 3-3. Just as the final game starts, it cuts to the casting desk and we see MarineKing walk past in the background. Suddenly we realise, it was never MarineKing playing at all; IT WAS BITBYBIT! Cut back to the game as 12 SCVs cruise in the Mvp's base and he GGs.

****
LRSL 2014 Finalist! PartinG | Mvp | Bomber | Creator | NaNiwa | herO
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
September 27 2012 20:55 GMT
#2
Life will smash MarineKing.
MysteryMeat1
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States3291 Posts
September 27 2012 21:19 GMT
#3
I think rain will beat Hero.
"Cause ya know, Style before victory." -The greatest mafia player alive
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-27 21:31:08
September 27 2012 21:30 GMT
#4
A lot of bold predictions =) 5 stars anyway because I love reading stuff about GSL.
Entirety
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
1423 Posts
September 27 2012 21:46 GMT
#5
Could you give us the details on exactly how you completed this statistical analysis?
IMMvp (정종현) | Fan Club: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=211431
mizU
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States12125 Posts
September 27 2012 22:07 GMT
#6
You forget he's a Kong :D
if happy ever afters did exist <3 @watamizu_
Yonnua
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2331 Posts
September 27 2012 22:12 GMT
#7
On September 28 2012 06:46 Entirety wrote:
Could you give us the details on exactly how you completed this statistical analysis?


I used TLPD Korea to get their wins and losses in each match-up both for individual sets and for BoX matches (from 2012) and then combined them (50/50 iirc) to create a single stat, added the stats of each player so that I had their % of the overall score. Although it isn't a sure-fire way to get who's more likely to win, it derives nicely from the stats and usually gives a score between 50 and 60, which is usually fairly accurate. It's nothing super high-tech but a nice fun and easy way to get a "likelihood-to-win" factor.
LRSL 2014 Finalist! PartinG | Mvp | Bomber | Creator | NaNiwa | herO
AnYvia
Profile Joined November 2010
Bulgaria474 Posts
September 27 2012 22:20 GMT
#8
Rain>HerO
Symbol>MVP
Leenock>Taeja
Life>MKP

Symbol>Rain
Life>Leenock

Symbol>Life
Flash / MVP / Seed / Leenock / DRG / Life
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-27 23:01:50
September 27 2012 22:35 GMT
#9
Yellow's heir can't win the GSL, it's destiny.

Also Life does nothing but play safe in ZvT.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
Yonnua
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2331 Posts
September 28 2012 00:26 GMT
#10
On September 28 2012 07:35 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Yellow's heir can't win the GSL, it's destiny.

Also Life does nothing but play safe in ZvT.


Yellow beat Boxer at the OSL Legend Match. The times are a changing my friend.
LRSL 2014 Finalist! PartinG | Mvp | Bomber | Creator | NaNiwa | herO
Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
September 28 2012 01:24 GMT
#11
The entire point of being a kong is that you win all the special events but never the big league itself. So Yellow winning the legend match is completely kong. He doesn't actually have a bad record vs Boxer in BW (pretty even overall iirc), he just always lost when it mattered most.

Also, Life > MKP. Sorry MKP fans, but the glasses have to go.
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
September 28 2012 01:59 GMT
#12
On September 28 2012 09:26 Yonnua wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2012 07:35 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Yellow's heir can't win the GSL, it's destiny.

Also Life does nothing but play safe in ZvT.


Yellow beat Boxer at the OSL Legend Match. The times are a changing my friend.


Kongs are the kings of special events.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
zerglingrodeo
Profile Joined September 2010
United States910 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-28 03:20:16
September 28 2012 03:15 GMT
#13
Yeah, MKP is going to get slammed by Life.

edit: still a great writeup! I voted 5/5 even though the use of the word 'whilst' made me want to vote 4/5 soooo badly. :D

Rain > HerO
Symbol > MVP
Taeja > Leenock
Life > MKP

Symbol > Rain
Taeja > Life (I expect this series to be amaaaazing)

Taeja > Symbol
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GTPGlitch
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
5061 Posts
September 28 2012 05:04 GMT
#14
Rain>Hero
Symbol<MVP
Taeja>Leenock
Life<MKP

Rain>MVP
Taeja>MKP

Rain<Taeja
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IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
September 28 2012 06:21 GMT
#15
I really hope MarineKing wins, easily my favorite Korean pro. It seems like just yesterday that he was getting to finals left and right, but I haven't really seen much of him lately :/
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33339 Posts
September 28 2012 15:03 GMT
#16
he's either gonna get destroyed by life, or choke horribly against anyone in the finals
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-28 15:29:39
September 28 2012 15:29 GMT
#17
I want to see him go up against MVP in the final. If he is to break the curse, why not against his greatest demon. He'll most likely get crushed though.
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Kasaraki
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Denmark7115 Posts
September 28 2012 18:27 GMT
#18
This is a fun way of trying to predict the results. Of course things could go entirely in the opposite direction of this, but I enjoyed reading your reasons.

Personally, my dream final is Mvp vs MKP, and Mvp winning 4-0. I know, I'm a horrible human being, but I enjoy seeing MKP crushed in the finals, I take perverse joy in it.
Entirety
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
1423 Posts
October 07 2012 03:38 GMT
#19
Well, the only one who you predicted correctly in the semi-finals was TaeJa beating Leenock.

More than the mere statistics, you gotta believe in your heart! Go Mvp!! :D
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-Kaiser-
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Canada932 Posts
October 07 2012 11:55 GMT
#20
4:3 Marineking, 4:1 Life, mostly the same.
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