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Mayd
Finland251 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Everytime 말해봐 is said it's sounds marhaebwa but of course ㄹis little different from the English R. I can't come up with other sources immediately now but you can also try to put it on Google Translater. It can pronounce Korean pretty well. But to be fair ㄹ is pretty tricky. | ||
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ChoDing
United States740 Posts
On September 02 2012 08:52 Mayd wrote: Even if the romanization is malhaeyo I can still hear clear r sound when it's pronounced fast. + Show Spoiler + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wC58wPbgByA&feature=player_detailpage#t=87s Everytime 말해봐 is said it's sounds marhaebwa but of course ㄹis little different from the English R. I can't come up with other sources immediately now but you can also try to put it on Google Translater. It can pronounce Korean pretty well. But to be fair ㄹ is pretty tricky. its okay either way i can understand both...and im korean so no worries | ||
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zhurai
United States5660 Posts
so, bookmarking for later~.. | ||
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Lixler
United States265 Posts
On September 02 2012 08:25 mizU wrote: ?? It sounds like mal-ae-yo when it's said fast. No, it's mar-ae-yo. There would be no reason for Koreans to maintain the l allophone in this scenario. If you accept that they elide the h so it's basically 말애요, it would be really peculiar if they pronounced this mal-ae. | ||
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mizU
United States12125 Posts
but the sound should be closer to an l than r | ||
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firehand101
Australia3152 Posts
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Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
only retards who lack the ability to pronounce korean properly will say it sounds like an R | ||
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Lixler
United States265 Posts
On September 02 2012 13:01 Rekrul wrote: it's an L, but with not so much power in it, and definitely not close to an R at all only retards who lack the ability to pronounce korean properly will say it sounds like an R hey man do you want to fight me or something it's certainly the alveolar flap, not the lateral liquid. there's no reason koreans would be speaking so fast as to elide the h noise but then decide to go ahead and not change the l to its intervocalic allophone, i.e. the r. basically you need to think there's a phonemic difference here between 말해 and 말애, as in the phonology of the language underlying it changes based on an h sound that's getting dropped anyway. this hypothesis is pretty untenable considering the fact that the presence of an h is totally unnoticed in e.g 천만에요 being confused with 천만해요 | ||
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MaRiNe23
United States747 Posts
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TheKwas
Iceland372 Posts
As far as I know, the ㅎ can get omitted, making it basically the same as "말애", which is pronounced as "마래", making the ㄹ more r-sounding (but not actually an r-sound of course, just less of a L sound as it otherwise would be). However, if the person you're talking to actually pronunciates or talks slowly, then it should sound exactly how it's spelled. If you're learning the language, just learn the spelled way, then learn what letters you can swallow/omit when talking fast from just interaction and practice. | ||
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Entirety
1423 Posts
Don't try to represent Korean sounds with English letters. ㄹ sounds similar to L and it sounds similar to R, and it isn't quite like either letter. If you pronounce it Mar-Hae-Yo or if you pronounce it Mal-Hae-Yo... ...you still won't get the exact pronunciation. Which is fine. It's not like you'll properly pronounce ㄱ, ㄴ, or any other letter. There are subtle differences. None of this matters, if you say Mar-Hae-Yo or if you say Mal-Hae-Yo, I'll still understand you. | ||
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greenmarine
19 Posts
Now, to my American English ear, the word 뭐 sounds almost like muh or even buh when spoken by some Koreans. I think this goes for many words starting with the ㅁ consonant. Just something to keep in mind, especially when trying to transcribe overheard Korean with thick accents. | ||
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klibrt
United States533 Posts
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Asmodeusx
286 Posts
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Sinedd
Poland7052 Posts
 mad props ! | ||
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deverlight
Korea (South)463 Posts
On September 02 2012 17:24 greenmarine wrote: Thanks, for posting this! I can proudly say I learned Hangul mostly from your blog. Now, to my American English ear, the word 뭐 sounds almost like muh or even buh when spoken by some Koreans. I think this goes for many words starting with the ㅁ consonant. Just something to keep in mind, especially when trying to transcribe overheard Korean with thick accents. 뭐 often sounds like 머 (muh) and in casual online chatting, sometimes people will actually write 머 or 모 (mo) when asking their friends what they're up to... ie. 머해? 모해? Kind of like how English speakers will often intentionally misspell words... ie. Yoooo wutcha dewin Hearing ㅝ as ㅓ isn't just you - a lot of people pronounce it that way. If you hear ㅁ(m) as ㅂ(b) though that's probably going to be an issue. I don't think I've ever heard those two pronounced the same way. | ||
rotinegg
United States1719 Posts
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rotinegg
United States1719 Posts
On September 03 2012 08:19 rotinegg wrote: 5/5 for banner, another 5 for content On September 02 2012 13:01 Rekrul wrote: it's an L, but with not so much power in it, and definitely not close to an R at all only retards who lack the ability to pronounce korean properly will say it sounds like an R 렉룰 넘버원 코리안 | ||
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
Simple guide: 1. Learn to pronounce the letter, which is basically a mix of R and L. 2. Listen to koreans saying specific words and try to say it the same way 3. Realize after a few months/years that you're automatically making it sound more R-y or L-y as needed. | ||
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Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
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