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On September 02 2012 03:54 mizU wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 00:41 Proseat wrote:
As for the most common form of "yes", 네 is spelt "ne" ("yep", 넵 is spelt "neb") but usually you hear that the N is pronounced like a D. Is this another example of where Koreans cannot tell the difference of sounds?
I'm gonna chime on on this because it confused me as well when I was learning. Similar to how sometimes the ㅁ sounds like ㅂ like in 미안해요, if you listen carefully enough it is the root sound, it's just that Koreans tend to... close their nose when pronouncing it if that makes sense?
Could it also be that when Koreans say ㄴ or ㅁ their lips don't completely touch together when they say it therefore making it sound like a D or B sound? It's like their lips barely touch when they say it so it comes off that way. The closest comparison I can give is people from the US pronounce the letter T in words like "glitter, community, translated, little, internet."
Does this make any sense at all? I'm not good at explaining things ;_;
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It's pretty funny how westerners will fine these same issues because of how alophones work.
As was said before, 네 often becomes "de". I've told my fiance many times how koreans always say "de" instead, but she's like "no, you can only say ne, possibly ye". Even when we have a drama on and I go "lol, she clearly said 'de' right there." she goes "No, she didn't." She honestly doesn't hear it.
Same with 미안, it often gets a B sound which my fiance somehow can't hear. Example? Go to youtube and watch "Look at only me" by Teayang, at the start of the music video the girl says 미안 but it definitely sounds like "bian", she does it several times as well. It's so obvious to me that I seriously though the word was 비안 until my fiance corrected me.
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On September 03 2012 22:57 Sephy90 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 03:54 mizU wrote:On September 02 2012 00:41 Proseat wrote:
As for the most common form of "yes", 네 is spelt "ne" ("yep", 넵 is spelt "neb") but usually you hear that the N is pronounced like a D. Is this another example of where Koreans cannot tell the difference of sounds?
I'm gonna chime on on this because it confused me as well when I was learning. Similar to how sometimes the ㅁ sounds like ㅂ like in 미안해요, if you listen carefully enough it is the root sound, it's just that Koreans tend to... close their nose when pronouncing it if that makes sense? Could it also be that when Koreans say ㄴ or ㅁ their lips don't completely touch together when they say it therefore making it sound like a D or B sound? It's like their lips barely touch when they say it so it comes off that way. The closest comparison I can give is people from the US pronounce the letter T in words like "glitter, community, translated, little, internet." Does this make any sense at all? I'm not good at explaining things ;_;
closing their nose is actually accurate, despite how ridiculous it sounds lol theres definitely a break in sound after a starting ㄴ so u cant keep letting air out of ur nose like the American 'n'. ㄴ used at the bottom is a different story however. if u listen to outsider rap, he does a really exaggerated 'd' sound for starting ㄴs and a 'b' sound for starting ㅁs
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If you guys want some proper grammar lessons regarding this, I can quote the books I have regarding all of it.
Including when to pronounce it as L or R.
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now i will get all the korean chicks
ALL of them
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These are really cool and helpful. I'll favourite this page and study hard until the next entry you post!
화이팅!
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I don't know if people do this irl in Korea, but I see it on TV shows and dramas that when something dramatic happens or the rival of someone says something that the other person gets mad at, when they say "뭐?" That it doesn't sound like an m, but sounds more like a b at the beginning. Am I hearing things, or do they say it like that, and why?
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Read a couple pages earlier :o
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Oh, i get it now,
Thank you so much for doing this by the way, ive been looking for an online guide for learning things like these, and i saw you blog and couldnt resist. I cant wait for more lessons!
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Thanks ^^;
나는 한국인. I learned Korean for first few years of my life, but as I learned English I lost my ability to really speak it, even though I understand a lot of Korean still. Hopefully I can bring myself to relearn my original language xd.
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this is great mizu, thanks.
i took korean last semester, and i passed and it was horribly easy xD (compared to other languages... not other subjects like stats, compsci, etc) and im getting no practice at all anymore, like i listen to korean music here and there but thats hardly practice, i talk to korean friends, but never in korean =.= so ima guna hop on this adventure.
thanks again mizu!
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Thanks for this mizu! I love to see threads like this on TL!
Speaking about learning Korean, when I studied English I had a very good electronic dictionary which helped me very much. Now I would like a English/Korean dictionary for iPhone or iPad. I tried some free ones but they are not very good. What I would really really like is a dictionary that shows you the grammar as well, or at least, gives some example sentences for words. Sample sentences can really really help when you are learning.
Can anyone make some suggestions about the best iPad korean dictionary they use?
Thanks again!
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