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ella_guru
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada1741 Posts
July 06 2012 00:01 GMT
#1
I'm pretty knowledgeable at the instrument and the technique required to play it. I got a degree in classical performance at Ottawa U .

Here's a lil jam of me and a buddy covering a tune we like:



im on the left with the turban.


Well, feel free to ask and hopefully i can further your magic in music.

I used to teach professionally, but I recently moved and just really havent been doing it for a couple of reasons, so i guess my inner teacher is feeling lost haha.



***
Each day gets better : )
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-06 00:06:12
July 06 2012 00:05 GMT
#2
How do I get better at improvising?

-e besides a ton of practice I don't think I'm all bad at improvising but I never got any formal training in playing the guitar and I wonder if I've missed something important.
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halo112
Profile Joined July 2012
Canada3 Posts
July 06 2012 03:00 GMT
#3
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beg
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
991 Posts
July 06 2012 03:48 GMT
#4
On July 06 2012 09:05 prplhz wrote:
How do I get better at improvising?

-e besides a ton of practice I don't think I'm all bad at improvising but I never got any formal training in playing the guitar and I wonder if I've missed something important.

indeed. same question from me.





i basically only learned to play other people's songs, but can do so rather good. played for 5 years but quit, after realizing my time was spent so stupidly (due to practicing unimportant technical shit that wouldnt bring me nowhere). now i kinda wanna get back to playing.
Tahona
Profile Joined October 2010
United States252 Posts
July 06 2012 03:59 GMT
#5
What would be the best way to get started when I want to teach myself how to play. I can read music from years of piano and saxophone so that really isn't an issue.
mindjames
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Israel322 Posts
July 06 2012 08:48 GMT
#6
OP seems to be AFK so I'll jump in, I hope I'm not stepping on anyone's toes

How to improvise better:
Pick a guitarist of choice (preferably someone who you consider as an ideal improviser) and start learning his chops. Then find other guitarists (or any instrumentalist) and repeat. Sooner or later you'll be figuring out your own chops and add your own twist to the stuff you've learned.

Other than that, try to pay attention to dynamics (how hard you hit the strings, in what way etc.), vibrato, sliding up and down, bending, muting and so on. All of these require training to achieve better precision.

How to start playing when you can already read music:
Reading music will not serve as an advantage at this point, but knowing your theory will. In any case, expect some sore fingers and some frustration, as the guitar is a real bitch at the very beginning.

The best way to start would be to learn some basic chords from youtube/google. A, B, C, D, E, F, G, major and minor. Pick easy songs that you like and try to have fun. By the time you get your chords down, you should be able to play most pop/rock songs off the top of your head.
imPermanenCe
Profile Joined July 2011
Netherlands595 Posts
July 06 2012 09:09 GMT
#7
How to pick a guitar that suits you?
Micro at its best is like an elegant dance between two people trying to achieve a similar end.
mindjames
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Israel322 Posts
July 06 2012 09:37 GMT
#8
On July 06 2012 18:09 imPermanenCe wrote:
How to pick a guitar that suits you?

A rule of thumb is, if you're not sure, then you're better off with a cheaper guitar. Once you figure out what's "missing" or isn't to your liking, then you should upgrade. You'll be doing this a lot over the years, as long as you keep playing.

Note that getting a bigger brand (Fender, Gibson) guitar does not mean you'll get more bang for the buck. Don't fall for popularity.

If you can already play, just visit your local store and try out a bunch of them. You can compare prices online afterwards. If you can't play, you can either: a) just get a simple classical/acoustic guitar, or - b) go with a friend who knows. If you're looking for an electric right away, a squier or an epiphone will do the trick.
ella_guru
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada1741 Posts
July 06 2012 13:57 GMT
#9
Hey doods

Im not on here everyday like I used to be, but i'll make sure to mention if i'm going away for a while or something, so id expect something within 48 hours at most of each post.

i dont mind at all if other people jump in and help thats cool. just uh, know your shit . hahahaha. i dont know, i dont like guitar teachers who say there is this one way of doing things, this is how you do it. i'll address how i feel about the improvising tonight.

i think most important is you enjoy and learn about yourself through this pursuit. whether you bang on the guitar with drum sticks or learn every harmony in inversion. this pursuit is a journey of complete imagination. see you tonite
Each day gets better : )
kafkaesque
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Germany2006 Posts
July 06 2012 20:34 GMT
#10
Hey man,

I'm kind of puzzled by a technique I've seen in this rendition:


Michael Chapdelaine - California Dreaming

The song is pretty straight forward, but how does the percussing work, while on the same beat playing notes normally?
I don't understand the motion of the hand, what exactly is happening there?

Here we have a cleaner performance, but it still isn't enough for me to comprehend what's going on there:
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AirbladeOrange
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2573 Posts
July 07 2012 03:59 GMT
#11
Cool thread. How can I keep things interesting so I stay motivated and keep learning new things? I generally like to just make up my own stuff rather than learn other people's songs. I usually find myself playing one of the few things I made up myself rather than venturing out. It's really hard for me to come up with new material. Any ideas for me?
ella_guru
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada1741 Posts
July 07 2012 16:09 GMT
#12
On July 06 2012 09:05 prplhz wrote:
How do I get better at improvising?

-e besides a ton of practice I don't think I'm all bad at improvising but I never got any formal training in playing the guitar and I wonder if I've missed something important.



A WAIVER: i dont "believe" in theory any more than i believe in a screwdriver. neither of these things are necessary, but in certain situations they have been tried and true to help you gain new perspective. theory is just another approach, and a new approach is sometimes all you need to open up new neural pathways to guitar nirvana

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Well, the pentatonic scale is kind of the starter for a lot of soloists. I'd grab a song you like, then start playing a one octave pentatonic scale in the right key over it . If you are unsure about how to figure out what key a song is in, feel free to ask me.

First, just start by playing one note every four beats. It'll seem a little empty but what you want to be doing is really hear how the note sort of meshes (or maybe sounds out of wack!) with the chords behind it. Dont think TOO hard, just listen and enjoy.

Then,

Switch notes every two beats. Things are a bit more interesting now.

then,

Every beat play a new note. This shouldnt be TOO fast for your hands, but your head might get tripped up in remembering where the scale is. No big deal, this is a new kind of practice! For the mind and the hands.

OK OK FEWWWF.

Now, go back to the one note for every four beats. And listen again. You may be a bit bored. Start to HEAR (but not play) how you might fill in those extra spaces. Is it a soaring bend? A small and subtle vibrato on the same note you just played? Maybe the note in your head is a little lower sounding, try and find it with your fingers .

Most importantly, ENJOY. This is just the first step to getting familiar with the differencing between joining together with your instrument versus merely playing it. Instead of using it to reach the end, it is the means.

Now I dont expect a rebirth or anything, at first you'll probably feel really shy about this, not sounding as good as the next guy or whatever. Dont let your ego tell you what to do, your musical pursuit doesnt owe your ego a damn thing. So chill out, try it some more. maybe try a different tune. Then, for today, that's enough. Slowly you're going to build the ability to hear what you would want to play in your head, then being able to translate it into your hands onto the fretboard. Like FUCKING MAGIC BRO!!!!

Let me know if you need more specifics or are having troubles. This is just one kickstarter I use for an aspiring soloist.


OTHER WAIVER: ask follow up questions. its a little different teaching thru text than one on one, i aint poifect!




On July 06 2012 12:48 beg wrote:

i basically only learned to play other people's songs, but can do so rather good. played for 5 years but quit, after realizing my time was spent so stupidly (due to practicing unimportant technical shit that wouldnt bring me nowhere). now i kinda wanna get back to playing.

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im not really sure what the question is but id say,. GO FOR IT . playing isnt joining the military, tho some people make it seem that way. just start playing gently and slowly, very much without aim. just enjoy.







On July 06 2012 12:59 Tahona wrote:
What would be the best way to get started when I want to teach myself how to play. I can read music from years of piano and saxophone so that really isn't an issue.

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hmm, like all my new students i usually ask questions like "what do you want to be able to do ? write songs? jam with friends? play your favorite campfire tunes? rock stardom?" i pose to you the same sort of questions, since while the basics are pretty much the same for anything, it can still help me get an idea of where you might want to lean your time.



On July 06 2012 18:09 imPermanenCe wrote:
How to pick a guitar that suits you?

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if youre new? most important things are probably that it looks cool

I AINT JOKIN BUB.

i learned on an old country lookin guitar and i didnt even like having it in my room because i felt it made me look like an old guy or something hahaha. look is quite important. it needs to motivate you to want to own your abilities on that instrument. i mean, dont we all feel bad for the jedi with the pink lightsaber or whatever? hahaha

most music stores will guide you to the proper entry level guitar, be prepared for around 250 bucks to be your budget, if you start getting lower it's more possible you have a truly insufficient instrument, but i wouldnt worry about anything beyond like, 350 (and even that is a bit steep!)

DONT: worry about wood types, tuning pegs, name brand, a certain type of inlay.

i'd bring a friend who knows a fair bit . lacking that, maybe try n hire on a local guitar teacher or university kid to come with you, it will be worth the extra bucks.



On July 07 2012 05:34 kafkaesque wrote:
Hey man,

I'm kind of puzzled by a technique I've seen in this rendition:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0wVP4UrgpE
Michael Chapdelaine - California Dreaming

The song is pretty straight forward, but how does the percussing work, while on the same beat playing notes normally?
I don't understand the motion of the hand, what exactly is happening there?

Here we have a cleaner performance, but it still isn't enough for me to comprehend what's going on there:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUGc73viJk4&feature=related


hahah i remember wondering about this exact thing. the thing is , it really is just what you think.


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well, we have two mini technique going on here.

some , when he lands, he is strumming outwards with the back of his nails (RASGUEADO type technique) . that is the easier of the two. since your hand is already strumming down, as your palm lands for that percussion slap, you just flick your fingers out.

but that probably isnt your problem.

-the slapping sound is made by using your thumb to force the strings to smack against the frets.

so, start doing that .

*click, click, click* with your thumb, nothing else.

ok, EASY you say, easy.

now keep er goin, on the off beat, with your index finger on the high e, play!

*click, ping* *click, ping*

easy enough.

now, same deal, but this time the e string lands on the 2nd 16th note...

then, at the same time!


it's going to feel clumsy as hell, and impossible to land on the B or G string, but just go FUCKING SLOW DANIEL SAN.






On July 07 2012 12:59 AirbladeOrange wrote:
Cool thread. How can I keep things interesting so I stay motivated and keep learning new things? I generally like to just make up my own stuff rather than learn other people's songs. I usually find myself playing one of the few things I made up myself rather than venturing out. It's really hard for me to come up with new material. Any ideas for me?


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this is a HUGE topic, so im just going to shoot out a couple of idea

that's part of what i would use theory for, just to open my musical eye up to new colours. do you have any idea of theory things? improvising with modes can be very fun and open up new harmonies. with theory you can come up with LOADS of weird experiments, like trying to play two chords over each other at the same time, playing a chord progression you know in inversions, trying to play a C major while playing an E major scale at the same time, soloing over one key with the scale of distant key.....

do you know all your 7 chords? 9s?

if theory REALLY isnt your thing (and you should taste it before you decide against it )

then well..

pick up your guitar, and try and play this :



not a note for note transcription, just jam with her, play with her sounds. with those inflections, articulations, the agression and sensitivity.

people who just "play by ear" are fine by me, but a lot of the time they use it as an excuse to only listen to one kind of music. if you are a by ear player, you better have let your ear taste so many fruits and flavors, otherwise you are REALLY boxing yourself in.


pick my brain, go zonkers with it. hope it helps.

STAY COSMIC

float thru your internal universe with your instrument. let go.
Each day gets better : )
kafkaesque
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Germany2006 Posts
July 07 2012 18:53 GMT
#13
I really appreciate your reply. Many people I asked weren't able to help me because they weren't that advanced or hadn't encountered that technique yet.

The thumb-on-lower-strings-slap has been in my repertoire for quite some time, but combining it with actual notes seems nigh impossible to me.
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Cooleh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United Kingdom63 Posts
July 07 2012 19:19 GMT
#14


How do you write a song like this, just guitar and singing? Does it matter if you write the lyrics first, the chords first, or experiment with the little riffs or bits inbetween chords? There's a few little riffs at the start but after that it's mostly just chords, nothing too technical, I'm just wondering how he gets the chords/strumming to flow with the lyrics so well. and also how he creates those short riffs at the start. Does he just play about with different scales and find something he likes? I imagine a lot of it's practice to find decent chord progressions, ones which fit with the mood and lyrics, and varying the strumming to fit too, but I'd definitely like to hear your thoughts.

Thank you!
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phiinix
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1169 Posts
July 08 2012 01:01 GMT
#15
Any tips on learning how to tell what key a song is in, or how to play notes in accordance to the song? Like how do you learn to jam alongside another track?

I've always felt like I have a horrible horrible ear. Lets say you play an E on the guitar. If you play another note after, unless you play a D#, F, or the E an octave above/below, I have no idea what note is it. And about half the time even if you do play the D# or F I can't tell. When I play I can tell, because visually I can see that one note is 1 fret above the other, but if someone else is playing it or if I'm listening to it, I'm totally lost. How the hell do you even know what a note is anyway? If you played say a C, and then the C an octave above, I can tell it's an octave, but I have no clue what note it is. Is there anyway to know what a note is other than playing all of them and just using memory to tell what note is what?
Elsid
Profile Joined September 2010
Ireland318 Posts
July 08 2012 01:14 GMT
#16
On July 08 2012 10:01 phiinix wrote:
Any tips on learning how to tell what key a song is in, or how to play notes in accordance to the song? Like how do you learn to jam alongside another track?

I've always felt like I have a horrible horrible ear. Lets say you play an E on the guitar. If you play another note after, unless you play a D#, F, or the E an octave above/below, I have no idea what note is it. And about half the time even if you do play the D# or F I can't tell. When I play I can tell, because visually I can see that one note is 1 fret above the other, but if someone else is playing it or if I'm listening to it, I'm totally lost. How the hell do you even know what a note is anyway? If you played say a C, and then the C an octave above, I can tell it's an octave, but I have no clue what note it is. Is there anyway to know what a note is other than playing all of them and just using memory to tell what note is what?



For me being able to figure out the key or notes was just a matter of listening a lot and playing a lot, then one day for me it just clicked and i can pick up tunings and patterns etc pretty handily. I imagine that's how it happens for most people.

ZaloMonkada
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States86 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-08 23:56:30
July 08 2012 23:56 GMT
#17
On July 08 2012 01:09 ella_guru wrote:

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On July 06 2012 12:59 Tahona wrote:
What would be the best way to get started when I want to teach myself how to play. I can read music from years of piano and saxophone so that really isn't an issue.


hmm, like all my new students i usually ask questions like "what do you want to be able to do ? write songs? jam with friends? play your favorite campfire tunes? rock stardom?" i pose to you the same sort of questions, since while the basics are pretty much the same for anything, it can still help me get an idea of where you might want to lean your time.




Can you talk about some good exercises when starting? I know theres scales and stuff but it'd be really great if you could list off some things I could practice as a beginner!
TORTOISE
Profile Joined December 2010
United States515 Posts
July 09 2012 05:36 GMT
#18
The guy on the right had a beautiful tone!
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mindjames
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Israel322 Posts
July 09 2012 10:46 GMT
#19
On July 09 2012 08:56 ZaloMonkada wrote:
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On July 08 2012 01:09 ella_guru wrote:

On July 06 2012 12:59 Tahona wrote:
What would be the best way to get started when I want to teach myself how to play. I can read music from years of piano and saxophone so that really isn't an issue.


hmm, like all my new students i usually ask questions like "what do you want to be able to do ? write songs? jam with friends? play your favorite campfire tunes? rock stardom?" i pose to you the same sort of questions, since while the basics are pretty much the same for anything, it can still help me get an idea of where you might want to lean your time.




Can you talk about some good exercises when starting? I know theres scales and stuff but it'd be really great if you could list off some things I could practice as a beginner!

Jumping in again.
Your question suggests that you're approaching the guitar (and music) in the same way that you would approach math. Instead, try to think about it as a language.

You're in a foreign country and you can barely communicate. But as you listen, you start to pick up certain words that stick out, and you figure out what they mean and how you can use them. Later on you start to pick up "patterns" of speech, which helps you form sentences. You start to understand whole stories just by listening, and later on you fill in the blanks through context.

In the same way, music needs to sink in. If someone tried to teach you a jazz mode without you ever listening to music in which it was applied, you would end up with a nice bracket of notes that is pretty much useless to you, and you wouldn't be able to "speak" through the scale.

Before you start doing 'exercises', I want to point you right back to ella_guru's question: What do you actually want to achieve with the guitar?
It wouldn't help you to lift heavy weights if you're going to run a marathon.
Devote your time into figuring out what your favorite guy is doing, look it up (google WILL teach you music), learn it, practice it, master it.

Here's my way of learning music:
* Listen to stuff you like
* Get excited about certain elements in the music
* Try it out on your instrument or voice until you 'get it'
* Look up what it's called so that you can communicate it towards other musicians

Having said all that, I wouldn't want to leave you empty handed.
Generally speaking, it is useful to know the major, minor and pentatonic scales regardless of what genre of music you're into. You might learn them as "shapes", but keep in mind the shape is a derivative of the scale and not the other way around. If you need more info in that department just ask!
imPermanenCe
Profile Joined July 2011
Netherlands595 Posts
July 09 2012 17:26 GMT
#20
Great tips, RezJ. You're a little bit less vague than ella_guru, haha
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