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Fenrax
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States5018 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-13 12:17:08
June 13 2012 12:15 GMT
#1
I would like to root for Thorzain right now but I am too dizzy because the groups take so long and grind away my excitement. The MLG last weekend worked for me, it was a full weekend and I could tune in whenever I had nothing better to do or for the final games.

But for something like the GSL on the other hand that doesn't work. I would either like to see the whole series or nothing at all. If I would leave out the first two games I wouldn't get into the series and if I left out the last 2-3 games, well that would be dumb because then I don't know who qualifies. But watching all games just doesn't work when the series goes for 10-15 games. With game time and breaks this is probably usually somewhere between four and five hours and that is just too much. Who has that much time? And patience? And excitement?

Watching two hours straight feels good. You can relax with something to eat and drink and play or surf in the background when there is a break. Maybe three hours is okay still but that is the maximum. Football matches take two hours, most US sports somewhere between two and three hours.

Somewhere between two and three hours you just start to get dizzy. It is not relaxing anymore, it is starting to become painful. It is no more exciting, just exhausting. And there are tons of games, too. It is only the round of 32 so far. That means there are 8 groups which results in something like more than fourty hours broadcast total. Just for the round of 32. Holy cow. That is too much.
I would much prefer the old MSL system or the OSL system with 5 games instead of 10-15 and I hope they will keep it this way when they switch to SC2 (in case you are no BW veteran, the MSL system is the same except with BO1s instead of BO3s and the OSL is a simple round robin with KO matches there is a tie between two or more players). The reduced number of games also never felt unfair to me. You still have a chance to go through even if you lose a game.

I have the same problem with the GSTL. It takes too effing long but watching only half of it is also not a satisfying option. I am not sure if I would prefer a best of 5 or a best of 7 but a best of nine is certainly too much. It is not as excessive as the GSL but 3+hours is still to much.

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pdd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia9933 Posts
June 13 2012 12:22 GMT
#2
So awhile back everyone was complaining about the group stages being Bo1, and now you want everything to go back to Bo1s?

While I agree with you that it's REALLY tiring as a viewer, you can easily just stop watching and check the results later. A lot of people still like to watch it all the way to the end and I don't think GOM should change anything at the moment. The format is really good now (except maybe GSTL could go to Bo7 Proleague style, but that's unlikely to happen).
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SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
June 13 2012 12:27 GMT
#3
GSL used to do Bo1's and people kept complaining it was too random and unfair. You can't please everyone, but it's ussually safe to say that more content will please more people.

A single game in other sports takes 2 hours, but there are more than a single game on a single day as well. You can easily have 5-6 hours of football in a single day if you want to watch all games of the tournament. The diference is you ussually only care about one team. If you want to watch a single SC2 player and take a break between his games, it won't feel as exhausting.

CluEleSs_UK
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom583 Posts
June 13 2012 12:30 GMT
#4
But you have the option of watching VODs afterwards too?
"If it turns out he is leaving the ESL to focus on cooking crystal meth I'll agree that it is somewhat disgraceful, but I'll hold off judgement until then."
Fenrax
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States5018 Posts
June 13 2012 12:54 GMT
#5
I'm new to SC2 so I wasn't around when people complained about the BO1s. But I don't think best of 1s are random or unfair in the group stage. That is what the groups are for after all. You can still lose a game, it is only if you lose two out three games that you are out and that is very normal for a tournament.

I am used to watching full groups live. VODs are less exciting and only watching one player doesn't help. It might very well take the same time total, just with killer breaks (which makes it very different from the foorball example). btw it not only seems tiring as viewer, but also for the casters. Even Tastosis are having trouble to find stuff to talk about.
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
June 13 2012 13:23 GMT
#6
So how is sc2 treating you fen rax ?
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Azzur
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia6260 Posts
June 13 2012 13:52 GMT
#7
I agree - I reckon the group can be split over 2 days
Sated
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
England4983 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-13 14:43:38
June 13 2012 14:42 GMT
#8
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Jinsho
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom3101 Posts
June 13 2012 15:20 GMT
#9
You dont have to watch the entire thing live. Just start the stream when the match starts on the GOMTV page.
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12680 Posts
June 13 2012 16:30 GMT
#10
don't agree
sorry...
I prefer more SC2 to be honest...lol
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Nesserev
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium2760 Posts
June 13 2012 16:50 GMT
#11
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Fenrax
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States5018 Posts
June 13 2012 18:06 GMT
#12
On June 13 2012 22:23 Sawamura wrote:
So how is sc2 treating you fen rax ?


- stream quality is always awesome which is a great improvement to pro BW

- awesome to have artosis, tasteless and day9 back, other commentators are good too. High quality English commentary to every game is great. Hope Sayle gets there in the future, he is already 2-3 best close behind Artosis and day9, likely would soon become same level with more professional co casters and environment.

- the game is still mediocre atm imo: The Heart of the Swarm expansion will have to deliver big time to fix the issues.

- no LAN is inexcusable
Azzur
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia6260 Posts
June 14 2012 05:27 GMT
#13
I think what they can do is spread the group games out over a longer period. Also, they don't have to finish a group in one day and they can have different groups playing. This means that players won't have to play up to 3 matches at once. In my example below, I assume 4 groups, but you get the picture if there are 8 groups:

Day1:
Group A - Match 1 & 2
Group B - Match 1 & 2

Day2:
Group C - Match 1 & 2
Group D - Match 1 & 2

Day3:
Group A - Winners & Losers
Group B - Winners & Losers

Day4:
Group C - Winners & Losers
Group D - Winners & Losers

Day5:
Group A to D - Deciding matches

As you can see, it will take an extra day, but last GSL Season, there were several free days so I'm sure GOM can schedule this in. This also allows greater preparation for their matches and adequate rest. Also, the excitement gets spread out over several days.

For the ro32, the 0-2 finisher in the group will be decided after Day8 (extrapolated for the extra groups). This will allow the ro48 Code A to go ahead whilst the deciding matches of the groups can proceed from Day9 onwards.
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
June 14 2012 08:48 GMT
#14
On June 14 2012 14:27 Azzur wrote:
I think what they can do is spread the group games out over a longer period. Also, they don't have to finish a group in one day and they can have different groups playing. This means that players won't have to play up to 3 matches at once. In my example below, I assume 4 groups, but you get the picture if there are 8 groups:

Day1:
Group A - Match 1 & 2
Group B - Match 1 & 2

Day2:
Group C - Match 1 & 2
Group D - Match 1 & 2

Day3:
Group A - Winners & Losers
Group B - Winners & Losers

Day4:
Group C - Winners & Losers
Group D - Winners & Losers

Day5:
Group A to D - Deciding matches

As you can see, it will take an extra day, but last GSL Season, there were several free days so I'm sure GOM can schedule this in. This also allows greater preparation for their matches and adequate rest. Also, the excitement gets spread out over several days.

For the ro32, the 0-2 finisher in the group will be decided after Day8 (extrapolated for the extra groups). This will allow the ro48 Code A to go ahead whilst the deciding matches of the groups can proceed from Day9 onwards.

Imo this would be the best, but it can't happen right now because players are flying round the world trying to go to other tournaments, we wouldn't see Thorzain in GSL at all if it was played like this, and many others. If there's a tournament on either weekend before or after your week of games, you'll miss it, having to be there on monday to friday. Maybe something like this, but a little less spaced out, to only require a player to be there for 3 days, rather than 5.
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