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I'd like to come out and applaud MLG for running one of the most grueling, stressful Starcraft 2 tournaments in the world, and I hope you don't listen to the people clamoring for you to change your rules to appease players who want things such as coaching between games, or bathroom breaks, etc. If nobody else does, I appreciate that the tournament, along from being a test of skill, is also a test of endurance, strength, and mental fortitude and I would be very sad if you give in and make it cushier for everyone. I've been to 10 MLG events as a player, coach, and spectator and each weekend has been incredible from a player and spectator standpoint because i made an effort to appreciate MLG for what it was instead of looking for things to change about it.
I'd like to see the community and players make just as much of an effort to adapt to MLG's way of doing things as MLG has made to adapt to the SC2 way of doing things. No bathroom breaks? Practice playing when you have to pee lol. No coaching inbetween games? Deal with it, your opponent is in the same boat. Nobody has made an effort to see MLG's perspective on this side of the issue and it makes me sad, especially when a completely uncorroborated (and as it turns out, false) story about MLG officials causes a huge shitstorm in the community even though they were just trying to do their jobs by kicking someone out who had been kicked out 4 times prevously from the player pit.
There are many different elements to competitive SC2 and MLG brings a different level of stamina and mental strength to the table. Please make an effort to appreciate this instead of being angry :D
EDIT: A personal story involving MLG officials: I attended MLG Orlando 2008 as a pro coach for a Rainbow Six Vegas team. My lifelong Xbox buddies were also attending the event and their coach had gotten sick and was nowhere to be found. I decided to help them out and coach them until they found their coach (I had a coach pass). Someone made a comment about how I was a pro coach and I got kicked out of the player pit and had my coach pass confiscated. I was really upset, but I approached Nexy, the tournament director, and politely explained what had happened, that I hadn't meant to break MLG's rules and I was just trying to help my friends. He said he understood and 30 minutes later I had my pass back.
 
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yeah too much criticism I feel has been given and not enough appreciation for what an awesome tournament it really was.
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Yes they shouldn't change anything at all. I know from business that exceptional growth comes from standing still. The point of MLG is definately not who can play the game the best, but rather who can jump through the hurdles MLG puts in place to make it as stressful as possible for the players. I agree with the no bathroom breaks, holding your urge is part of the starcraft community since BW, not to mention it is also part of being a good Catholic.
They should not treat the players as human beings, but rather they should be kept in cages day and night. They should be forced to sleep in a giant room that has a storbe light and Brittney Spears playing at unimaginable high volume levels. They can definately attract more talent to their tournment the worse they treat the players. Then we will find out who is the best.
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On June 13 2012 03:10 Smancer wrote:
Yes they shouldn't change anything at all. I know from business that exceptional growth comes from standing still. The point of MLG is definately not who can play the game the best, but rather who can jump through the hurdles MLG puts in place to make it as stressful as possible for the players. I agree with the no bathroom breaks, holding your urge is part of the starcraft community since BW, not to mention it is also part of being a good Catholic.
They should not treat the players as human beings, but rather they should be kept in cages day and night. They should be forced to sleep in a giant room that has a storbe light and Brittney Spears playing at unimaginable high volume levels. They can definately attract more talent to their tournment the worse they treat the players. Then we will find out who is the best.
Careful not to cut yourself on that sharp wit of yours.
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On June 13 2012 03:10 Smancer wrote:
Yes they shouldn't change anything at all. I know from business that exceptional growth comes from standing still. The point of MLG is definately not who can play the game the best, but rather who can jump through the hurdles MLG puts in place to make it as stressful as possible for the players. I agree with the no bathroom breaks, holding your urge is part of the starcraft community since BW, not to mention it is also part of being a good Catholic.
They should not treat the players as human beings, but rather they should be kept in cages day and night. They should be forced to sleep in a giant room that has a storbe light and Brittney Spears playing at unimaginable high volume levels. They can definately attract more talent to their tournment the worse they treat the players. Then we will find out who is the best.
How is taking this to a ridiculous extreme being constructive at all?
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On June 13 2012 05:05 sertman wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 03:10 Smancer wrote:
Yes they shouldn't change anything at all. I know from business that exceptional growth comes from standing still. The point of MLG is definately not who can play the game the best, but rather who can jump through the hurdles MLG puts in place to make it as stressful as possible for the players. I agree with the no bathroom breaks, holding your urge is part of the starcraft community since BW, not to mention it is also part of being a good Catholic.
They should not treat the players as human beings, but rather they should be kept in cages day and night. They should be forced to sleep in a giant room that has a storbe light and Brittney Spears playing at unimaginable high volume levels. They can definately attract more talent to their tournment the worse they treat the players. Then we will find out who is the best. How is taking this to a ridiculous extreme being constructive at all?
I could have just said:
1) The MLG tournment should be about playing Starcraft. Fatigued or stressed players leads to lower quality games with blunders. Well rested, well prepared, players lead to great games.
2) Putting the top players into stressful and uncomfortable situations negatively impacts their desire to return to future tournaments.
But that is boring.
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On June 13 2012 05:16 Smancer wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 05:05 sertman wrote:On June 13 2012 03:10 Smancer wrote:
Yes they shouldn't change anything at all. I know from business that exceptional growth comes from standing still. The point of MLG is definately not who can play the game the best, but rather who can jump through the hurdles MLG puts in place to make it as stressful as possible for the players. I agree with the no bathroom breaks, holding your urge is part of the starcraft community since BW, not to mention it is also part of being a good Catholic.
They should not treat the players as human beings, but rather they should be kept in cages day and night. They should be forced to sleep in a giant room that has a storbe light and Brittney Spears playing at unimaginable high volume levels. They can definately attract more talent to their tournment the worse they treat the players. Then we will find out who is the best. How is taking this to a ridiculous extreme being constructive at all? I could have just said: 1) The MLG tournment should be about playing Starcraft. Fatigued or stressed players leads to lower quality games with blunders. Well rested, well prepared, players lead to great games. 2) Putting the top players into stressful and uncomfortable situations negatively impacts their desire to return to future tournaments. But that is boring.
It is not MLG's responsibility to make sure the players are prepared, both mentally and physically, for their open bracket. MLG has been running SC2 tournaments for a couple of years now and the players know how tight the schedule is and how many games they potentially have to play. Right now the common sentiment amongst the community is that MLG should be bending to their will every time they have a complaint and that is simply unfair to MLG, who has been putting tournaments on for a decade and have a tried and true tested way of running a large tournament.
Pros would be better off accepting the added difficulties and preparing for them as opposed to bitching and hoping they change.
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On June 13 2012 06:33 sertman wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 05:16 Smancer wrote:On June 13 2012 05:05 sertman wrote:On June 13 2012 03:10 Smancer wrote:
Yes they shouldn't change anything at all. I know from business that exceptional growth comes from standing still. The point of MLG is definately not who can play the game the best, but rather who can jump through the hurdles MLG puts in place to make it as stressful as possible for the players. I agree with the no bathroom breaks, holding your urge is part of the starcraft community since BW, not to mention it is also part of being a good Catholic.
They should not treat the players as human beings, but rather they should be kept in cages day and night. They should be forced to sleep in a giant room that has a storbe light and Brittney Spears playing at unimaginable high volume levels. They can definately attract more talent to their tournment the worse they treat the players. Then we will find out who is the best. How is taking this to a ridiculous extreme being constructive at all? I could have just said: 1) The MLG tournment should be about playing Starcraft. Fatigued or stressed players leads to lower quality games with blunders. Well rested, well prepared, players lead to great games. 2) Putting the top players into stressful and uncomfortable situations negatively impacts their desire to return to future tournaments. But that is boring. It is not MLG's responsibility to make sure the players are prepared, both mentally and physically, for their open bracket. MLG has been running SC2 tournaments for a couple of years now and the players know how tight the schedule is and how many games they potentially have to play. Right now the common sentiment amongst the community is that MLG should be bending to their will every time they have a complaint and that is simply unfair to MLG, who has been putting tournaments on for a decade and have a tried and true tested way of running a large tournament. Pros would be better off accepting the added difficulties and preparing for them as opposed to bitching and hoping they change.
I do not agree and I think that your points and your attitude are misguided, uninformed, and wrong.
First, the players "complaints" are justified and warrant change. They are not asking MLG to bend their will, but rather to become more organized and prepared.
In Sheth's blog he "complained" that he was told 3 or 4 times that his tournament times had changed (it kept getting pushed back an hour) and his opponent was told a different start time than him.
In addition IdrA has similar complaints and had assumed "going into the event that MLG and Blizzard were well aware of the potential scheduling difficulties and would be prepared to deal with them." But that was not the case. His main complaint is again scheduling.
Please explain why this is good. You think players should just deal with it, and let scheduling get in the way of players actually playing games? Would you like to see players have to forfeit games because they were given bad information? How should players "prepare" and train for this (perhaps psychic training)? How is this asking MLG to bend to the players will? Would it not benefit the viewers of these events to know what time the players they are supporting are playing?
As for the complaints to who was being removed from the playing floor by staff. All Sheth and others have been asking is for these rules to have ben communicated effectively and to have been applied consistently. Do you think that it is fair and better for Starcraft for one player to have a coach and support between matches and for another to not have it? I personally don't care which it is, but don't you think it should be the same for all players?
With your attitude you are asking MLG to continue to be inconsistent with the rules and to not communicate them to players and teams clearly before the event. Furthermore you want them to continue to be inconsistent and deciding to give some players advantages based on nothing.
It is MLG's job to produce a high quality tournament which showcases the highest tier of StarCraft play. Players are not asking MLG to "bend to their will". They are asking MLG to do a better job at running a tournament. As far as I can gather from your posts you are essentially asking MLG to not try and improve. This idea is absurd and in my mind deserved a sarcastic reply mocking the idea.
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