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Disappointed by Bliz, again. D3, more like RMAH3 - Page 2

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rotinegg
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States1719 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-29 13:38:54
May 29 2012 13:36 GMT
#21
here's how I solved all my problems with d3:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

After hitting lvl 60 not 100 hours after launch, I quickly became disappointed with the game and decided I had had enough of Blizzard's bullshit. It's not too late - they give you 30 days so vote with your wallet
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
May 29 2012 13:39 GMT
#22
^perfectly reasonable thing to do.

I like the game, though it does have a lot of flaws.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
BadBinky
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
Finland649 Posts
May 29 2012 14:18 GMT
#23
So that's why there's no RMAH for hardcore. Any speculations about when "perfect sword of one shot" will reach droprate of 0? :D
It's more important to be tough than to have any fun.
Incze
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Romania2058 Posts
May 29 2012 15:01 GMT
#24
You do know that blizzard has a 30-day refund policy, right? Just submit a ticket and get your money back, if that's what you wish
Religion: Buckethead
tuho12345
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
4482 Posts
May 29 2012 15:48 GMT
#25
RMAH is retarded, now everyone will gonna sell their items for real money and what is the fucking point of farming gold now???
Heh_
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Singapore2712 Posts
May 29 2012 16:54 GMT
#26
On May 30 2012 00:48 tuho12345 wrote:
RMAH is retarded, now everyone will gonna sell their items for real money and what is the fucking point of farming gold now???

So you can sell gold on the RMAH. Seriously why are people criticizing the RMAH when it hasn't even come online.......
=Þ
wozjflwnl
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada344 Posts
May 29 2012 17:59 GMT
#27
On May 29 2012 22:36 rotinegg wrote:
here's how I solved all my problems with d3:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

After hitting lvl 60 not 100 hours after launch, I quickly became disappointed with the game and decided I had had enough of Blizzard's bullshit. It's not too late - they give you 30 days so vote with your wallet

i didn't even know you could write a ticket for a refund, that's amazing. now i know what i'm doing now since i felt diablo 3 was an awful game.
Otolia
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
France5805 Posts
May 29 2012 18:08 GMT
#28
I really wish you would try to play EVE so that Kwark can teach you what economy really is.
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-29 18:14:19
May 29 2012 18:08 GMT
#29
On May 29 2012 22:39 Torte de Lini wrote:
^perfectly reasonable thing to do.

I like the game, though it does have a lot of flaws.


I don't think it's perfectly reasonable to spend hundreds of hours and then return it for the full price because you "didn't really like it". I have no idea how someone would spend 100+ hours in less than 2 weeks doing something they hate out of their own free will. It's one thing to be dissapointed the game is not everything you hoped for, that it didn't give you 10 years of uther joy or whatever you expected, or returning something you used for a little while and realized it's not something you want, but getting like $0.50 per hour of entertainment is not bad, it's worth the money. Do people really play for 80 hours, hate the game, but believe it will magically change in the next 20 hours?

*talking about in case the OP would ask for a refund, not asking one in the first 100 hours after launch like in the case quoted, but I still don't think you could have hated playing that much and still get lvl 60 in under 100 hours realtime. I think asking for a full refund for anything you have over 20 hours of playtime doesn't make a lot of sense.
rotinegg
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States1719 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-29 19:22:50
May 29 2012 19:21 GMT
#30
On May 30 2012 03:08 SKC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2012 22:39 Torte de Lini wrote:
^perfectly reasonable thing to do.

I like the game, though it does have a lot of flaws.


I don't think it's perfectly reasonable to spend hundreds of hours and then return it for the full price because you "didn't really like it". I have no idea how someone would spend 100+ hours in less than 2 weeks doing something they hate out of their own free will. It's one thing to be dissapointed the game is not everything you hoped for, that it didn't give you 10 years of uther joy or whatever you expected, or returning something you used for a little while and realized it's not something you want, but getting like $0.50 per hour of entertainment is not bad, it's worth the money. Do people really play for 80 hours, hate the game, but believe it will magically change in the next 20 hours?

*talking about in case the OP would ask for a refund, not asking one in the first 100 hours after launch like in the case quoted, but I still don't think you could have hated playing that much and still get lvl 60 in under 100 hours realtime. I think asking for a full refund for anything you have over 20 hours of playtime doesn't make a lot of sense.

The 100 hours were fun, especially my first run through normal, but I felt end-game content was lacking. Once i got to 60, it was like 'now what,' whereas in D2 hitting 99 was pretty difficult. I liked collecting and bartering items from D2 so I had high hopes for AH, which was what kept me playing, but when I realized how inefficient and broken the AH was, I threw the towel in. Didn't help that a bunch of my friends' accounts got hacked.
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a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
May 29 2012 19:38 GMT
#31
smh @ no one bothered to read op

also smh @ blizzard, they are probably hindering drops until RMAH is released? trying to turn D3 into a psuedo-micro payment system ...
starleague forever
TheToast
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4808 Posts
May 29 2012 19:40 GMT
#32
On May 29 2012 22:36 rotinegg wrote:
here's how I solved all my problems with d3:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

After hitting lvl 60 not 100 hours after launch, I quickly became disappointed with the game and decided I had had enough of Blizzard's bullshit. It's not too late - they give you 30 days so vote with your wallet


You are like a national hero. But of the internet.
I like the way the walls go out. Gives you an open feeling. Firefly's a good design. People don't appreciate the substance of things. Objects in space. People miss out on what's solid.
RogerX
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
New Zealand3180 Posts
May 29 2012 20:08 GMT
#33
There are balance patches coming.
Stick it up. take it up. step aside and see the world
Backpack
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1776 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-29 20:11:50
May 29 2012 20:09 GMT
#34
I don't understand why people can't just be happy with a good game anymore. Everything always has to be perfect.
Seriously, paying at around 50euro, I have had 100+hours of entertainment, the game is GREAT, solely based on that fact.


You say this but then you also go on to say you won't ever be buying from blizzard any more?


Instead of being happy with a game they enjoyed, people are just picking out the flaws and complaining... God help you when you try to get a girlfriend with that attitude.
"You people need to just generally care a lot less about everything." -Zatic
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-29 20:20:29
May 29 2012 20:19 GMT
#35
I think drop manipulation is fine. LIsten, if things drop too frequently the whole economy just inflates. When you have items that don't bind and will just stay in the item pool circulating forever and ever, it's not good. Things start to get worthless for everyone.

As for the RMAH, I don't like it either, but at least the option is available.

Also if you want to trade items outside the AH, there's this little thing called FORUMS maybe you've heard of them. And I'm not talking about battle.net forums.
ktimekiller
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States690 Posts
May 29 2012 20:26 GMT
#36
Yea d2 had a fix for that, it was called ladder reset
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
May 29 2012 20:30 GMT
#37
D2 also had botting, hacking, duping, and shit economy all the way through, even after ladder reset. If you don't get SUPER lucky your items are worthless because the only things worth anything are runewords. If you're not doing either of the mentioned, you just have to wait for it to trickle down just like everyone else.
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-29 22:07:34
May 29 2012 22:01 GMT
#38
On May 30 2012 04:21 rotinegg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2012 03:08 SKC wrote:
On May 29 2012 22:39 Torte de Lini wrote:
^perfectly reasonable thing to do.

I like the game, though it does have a lot of flaws.


I don't think it's perfectly reasonable to spend hundreds of hours and then return it for the full price because you "didn't really like it". I have no idea how someone would spend 100+ hours in less than 2 weeks doing something they hate out of their own free will. It's one thing to be dissapointed the game is not everything you hoped for, that it didn't give you 10 years of uther joy or whatever you expected, or returning something you used for a little while and realized it's not something you want, but getting like $0.50 per hour of entertainment is not bad, it's worth the money. Do people really play for 80 hours, hate the game, but believe it will magically change in the next 20 hours?

*talking about in case the OP would ask for a refund, not asking one in the first 100 hours after launch like in the case quoted, but I still don't think you could have hated playing that much and still get lvl 60 in under 100 hours realtime. I think asking for a full refund for anything you have over 20 hours of playtime doesn't make a lot of sense.

The 100 hours were fun, especially my first run through normal, but I felt end-game content was lacking. Once i got to 60, it was like 'now what,' whereas in D2 hitting 99 was pretty difficult. I liked collecting and bartering items from D2 so I had high hopes for AH, which was what kept me playing, but when I realized how inefficient and broken the AH was, I threw the towel in. Didn't help that a bunch of my friends' accounts got hacked.


I'm not denying that, I can easily see people not liking the endgame or feeling it get's old fast, but are the 100 hours (which I guess mean at least something like 30 hours gametime) of fun time really not worth $60? Are they really closer to $0 which is what you end up paying with the full refund? That's why I don't agree that it's perfectly reasonable to ask for a full refund in such situation, they should be avaible for people that didn't actually use the product.

People are way too harsh on gaming prices sometimes, it's the same with the whole pay to watch VoD's/Streams. $15 for a 2 hours movie is fine, but 60$ for 30+ hours of fun isn't? And it could easily pass 100 hours, do you really feel you would never feel like playing the game again?

For me, voting with you wallet ussually means not buying things you don't like or don't agree with, not using them, having fun, and then getting a full refund because you got tired of it, even if you believed you would get 500+ hours of entertainment instead of "only" around 30-40.
rawb
Profile Joined September 2010
United States252 Posts
May 29 2012 22:02 GMT
#39
On May 29 2012 22:29 Dead9 wrote:
no, the op's point was that droprates are somehow changed by or because of ah
basically he's complaining about something that doesn't actually exist lol

your drop rates aren't influenced by anything other than ingame mf and rng
droprates are "manipulated" by the ah in the sense that they are lower across the board, but they're still completely random
this is because ah makes it much easier to trade items

for example, imagine in d2 a certain mob drops an uncommon 50% of the time a rare 5% of the time and a legendary .5% of the time
now in d3 the same mob will drop an uncommon 5% of the time a rare .5% of the time and a legendary .05% of the time



It really bothers me how many people misunderstand this, thank you!
rotinegg
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States1719 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-29 22:31:00
May 29 2012 22:29 GMT
#40
On May 30 2012 07:01 SKC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2012 04:21 rotinegg wrote:
On May 30 2012 03:08 SKC wrote:
On May 29 2012 22:39 Torte de Lini wrote:
^perfectly reasonable thing to do.

I like the game, though it does have a lot of flaws.


I don't think it's perfectly reasonable to spend hundreds of hours and then return it for the full price because you "didn't really like it". I have no idea how someone would spend 100+ hours in less than 2 weeks doing something they hate out of their own free will. It's one thing to be dissapointed the game is not everything you hoped for, that it didn't give you 10 years of uther joy or whatever you expected, or returning something you used for a little while and realized it's not something you want, but getting like $0.50 per hour of entertainment is not bad, it's worth the money. Do people really play for 80 hours, hate the game, but believe it will magically change in the next 20 hours?

*talking about in case the OP would ask for a refund, not asking one in the first 100 hours after launch like in the case quoted, but I still don't think you could have hated playing that much and still get lvl 60 in under 100 hours realtime. I think asking for a full refund for anything you have over 20 hours of playtime doesn't make a lot of sense.

The 100 hours were fun, especially my first run through normal, but I felt end-game content was lacking. Once i got to 60, it was like 'now what,' whereas in D2 hitting 99 was pretty difficult. I liked collecting and bartering items from D2 so I had high hopes for AH, which was what kept me playing, but when I realized how inefficient and broken the AH was, I threw the towel in. Didn't help that a bunch of my friends' accounts got hacked.


I'm not denying that, I can easily see people not liking the endgame or feeling it get's old fast, but are the 100 hours (which I guess mean at least something like 30 hours gametime) of fun time really not worth $60? Are they really closer to $0 which is what you end up paying with the full refund? That's why I don't agree that it's perfectly reasonable to ask for a full refund in such situation, they should be avaible for people that didn't actually use the product.

People are way too harsh on gaming prices sometimes, it's the same with the whole pay to watch VoD's/Streams. $15 for a 2 hours movie is fine, but 60$ for 30+ hours of fun isn't? And it could easily pass 100 hours, do you really feel you would never feel like playing the game again?

For me, voting with you wallet ussually means not buying things you don't like or don't agree with, not using them, having fun, and then getting a full refund because you got tired of it, even if you believed you would get 500+ hours of entertainment instead of "only" around 30-40.

I see your point. I won't deny that asking for a refund after playing through a large part of the game may cross some people's moral code. In my defense, I had certain expectations when I purchased the game, such as the 500+ hours of entertainment, a working auction house, a challenging experience, and just a place to blow some steam after work. The product was underwhelming and failed to meet my expectations on multiple ends, as I experienced more stress from the login servers being down constantly and the AH not working, so I asked for a full refund. If I bought a rice cooker that promised me I could also steam dumplings in it, but after a few days' use turned out only the rice cooking part worked, I would return it, assuming the store allowed me to return it within a certain timeframe. My roommate and most of my other friends still play D3 but I haven't felt like I wanted to play the game again since I requested a refund. I'll just leave it at that so feel free to make your own judgments about the legitimacy of what I did.
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