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Redbull LAN Replay Viewer Guide (Terran) - Page 2

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eourcs
Profile Joined February 2011
United States459 Posts
May 29 2012 22:35 GMT
#21
Ever since I saw Taeja hold off a blind 14/14 baneling bust and a 6-pool with 15cc, I've been doing that build almost exclusively TvZ. It's almost digusting how good this build is, especially in the hands of a 350 apm beast such as Taeja. It's actually quite safe vs allins if you play it right, and since it's not a "standard" build, some players don't react well to it.

Just as a side note for people trying to copy Thorzain's build, Thorzain rallies scvs back into gas one at a time after getting his first cc down, and then after his first gas is saturated (3), he takes his second gas.
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CPTBadAss
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States594 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-30 01:22:46
May 30 2012 01:22 GMT
#22
Great read, thanks for some tips on Thorzain and Illusion's play. They're two of my favorite Terrans and its nice to have a bit of insight. ^_^
I'll keep on struggling, 'cause that's the measure of a man | "That was the plan: To give him some hope, and then crush him" -Stephano
ThorisHere FTW
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada82 Posts
May 30 2012 02:15 GMT
#23
You should check out Bomber vs. Ostogy*. He played a similar style to Taeja, with Bio into a BC and raven transition. I think it would be pretty awesome if the style became more common, because it reminds of the Bio + SV from Brood war.
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Starshaped
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Sweden575 Posts
May 30 2012 02:59 GMT
#24
On May 29 2012 15:43 phiinix wrote:
Not to mention Infestors are armored so marauders do more damage. But the higher medivac count than usual is really important, if you have enough fungal barely does any damage, you just tank them.

I was slightly sad that tvt has turned into marine tank v marine tank again. I was really cheering for Taeja in that game against Bomber on Cloud Kingdom (didn't see the other games) since he was using mech. I know he made mistakes, but it seems like a mech player has to play more refined for a longer period of time to win. Get a bio force caught out of position and you're a little behind; get a mech force caught out of position and it's pretty much game over. If mech defends well, they get up a superior army, but it seems like it gets progressively harder to take bases, especially on a map like CK. Luckyfool have any thoughts on the viability or effort : profit potential of playing mech in tvt? I felt like the key to winning was maintaining an air force with banshees/ravens, but mech is already super gas intensive as it stands.


Mech is the least forgiving way to play but imo if you do everything right it's the strongest. Marine/tank is good but pure bio is awful and gimmicky and relies on your opponent messing up or on you doing a huge coinflip here and there to win.

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Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
May 30 2012 03:10 GMT
#25
On May 30 2012 11:15 ThorisHere FTW wrote:
You should check out Bomber vs. Ostogy*. He played a similar style to Taeja, with Bio into a BC and raven transition. I think it would be pretty awesome if the style became more common, because it reminds of the Bio + SV from Brood war.

Ostojiy
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`CygnuS`
Profile Joined May 2012
United States14 Posts
May 30 2012 03:32 GMT
#26
I was really hoping LastShadow would have good results at Red Bull Battlegrounds, but I guess that didn't happen. I wish I knew what happened, though. Maybe being sick threw him off a bit, even though he mentioned before the event that he was playing fine despite his condition. Hopefully, he'll be able to get lots of practice in until he goes to his next event, and perhaps there he'll be able to do better.
phiinix
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1169 Posts
May 30 2012 06:21 GMT
#27
On May 30 2012 11:59 Starshaped wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2012 15:43 phiinix wrote:
Not to mention Infestors are armored so marauders do more damage. But the higher medivac count than usual is really important, if you have enough fungal barely does any damage, you just tank them.

I was slightly sad that tvt has turned into marine tank v marine tank again. I was really cheering for Taeja in that game against Bomber on Cloud Kingdom (didn't see the other games) since he was using mech. I know he made mistakes, but it seems like a mech player has to play more refined for a longer period of time to win. Get a bio force caught out of position and you're a little behind; get a mech force caught out of position and it's pretty much game over. If mech defends well, they get up a superior army, but it seems like it gets progressively harder to take bases, especially on a map like CK. Luckyfool have any thoughts on the viability or effort : profit potential of playing mech in tvt? I felt like the key to winning was maintaining an air force with banshees/ravens, but mech is already super gas intensive as it stands.


Mech is the least forgiving way to play but imo if you do everything right it's the strongest. Marine/tank is good but pure bio is awful and gimmicky and relies on your opponent messing up or on you doing a huge coinflip here and there to win.



Yea I mostly meant playing bio as a reaction to mech. It definitely feels like mech is very unforgiving in terms of spot on precision in positioning and game sense, which was why I was kinda wondering if it was worth it to learn.
BEARDiaguz
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Australia2362 Posts
May 30 2012 10:57 GMT
#28
On May 30 2012 12:10 Pokebunny wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2012 11:15 ThorisHere FTW wrote:
You should check out Bomber vs. Ostogy*. He played a similar style to Taeja, with Bio into a BC and raven transition. I think it would be pretty awesome if the style became more common, because it reminds of the Bio + SV from Brood war.

Ostojiy


Hey if he wanted people to get his name right he should of picked something easier.

Trust me on this.
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RPR_Tempest
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Australia7798 Posts
May 30 2012 14:10 GMT
#29
On May 30 2012 19:57 iaguz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2012 12:10 Pokebunny wrote:
On May 30 2012 11:15 ThorisHere FTW wrote:
You should check out Bomber vs. Ostogy*. He played a similar style to Taeja, with Bio into a BC and raven transition. I think it would be pretty awesome if the style became more common, because it reminds of the Bio + SV from Brood war.

Ostojiy


Hey if he wanted people to get his name right he should of picked something easier.

Trust me on this.

You speak the truth, e-a-guz.
Soundwave, Zerg player from Canberra, Australia. @SoundwaveSC
-Aura-
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States209 Posts
May 30 2012 18:51 GMT
#30
Is there a way to download all the replays from the whole tournament instead of one game at a time?
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Liquid get more Terrans please...
Kelwyn
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany143 Posts
May 31 2012 08:10 GMT
#31
On May 31 2012 03:51 -Aura- wrote:
Is there a way to download all the replays from the whole tournament instead of one game at a time?


This might be helpful.
spbelky
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States623 Posts
May 31 2012 18:59 GMT
#32
The one time I actually bother to check the TL blogs section, LuckyFool has this gem for me.

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tdt
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3179 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-01 17:58:02
June 01 2012 17:55 GMT
#33
Nice writeup. Sad this event was not covered much in TL news by our more famous writters because there was some excellent play as you note. I know you didnt cover MC focusing on the terrans play but I thought (besides the two all ins vs Stephano, it's MC after all and all-ins will always happen a couple times) his counters to Stephanos 11 min RR were something worth watching and something niether PartinG nor Squirtle could withstand but MC figured it out.
MC for president
Snowbear
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Korea (South)1925 Posts
June 01 2012 22:55 GMT
#34
What I don't get about thorzain's TvZ build is that he has 1 marine and 6 hellions at 7:00. How does he hold a 2 base roachpush that arrives at 7:00???
LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9015 Posts
June 02 2012 01:19 GMT
#35
You don't, which is why my ladder record has been tanking past 3 days.

He's clearly playing to exploit a Zerg player who is actually good and makes drones.
LlamaNamedOsama
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1900 Posts
June 02 2012 03:30 GMT
#36
Another great guide, luckyfool!
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Nizzy
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States839 Posts
June 02 2012 09:22 GMT
#37
Nice blog LF!

ill check those games out they seem really interesting.

I'm not defending LS, but wasn't he kind of sick? I dunno I think hes better than what he's shown. Also, even though he said foreginers are shit or whatever he's never said he wasn't either. Just my 2 cents.
shell
Profile Joined October 2010
Portugal2722 Posts
June 02 2012 16:49 GMT
#38
It has been proven that foreigners can compete with Koreans.. Ex: Naniwa, HuK and stephano
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-Aura-
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States209 Posts
June 03 2012 19:42 GMT
#39
On May 31 2012 17:10 Kelwyn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2012 03:51 -Aura- wrote:
Is there a way to download all the replays from the whole tournament instead of one game at a time?


This might be helpful.

Thanks.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Liquid get more Terrans please...
.Sic.
Profile Joined February 2011
Korea (South)497 Posts
June 05 2012 05:00 GMT
#40
On June 02 2012 07:55 Snowbear wrote:
What I don't get about thorzain's TvZ build is that he has 1 marine and 6 hellions at 7:00. How does he hold a 2 base roachpush that arrives at 7:00???


hes got a pair of really gigantic steel balls, one per base.
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