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Thaniri
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1264 Posts
May 03 2012 04:35 GMT
#361
I have not really noticed it. I don't read into many blogs. For example I have only read the first 2 pages of this one before replying. I haven't seen anyone being obnoxious about the eSports movement really, because I mute all streams because I hate most casters.

I like playing this game, I like watching it, if the other people who like playing and watching it want it to be an esport, let them at it. I like video games.
Logan_ps
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United Kingdom118 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-03 04:50:22
May 03 2012 04:42 GMT
#362
Well, I love ESports - which for me is about being a spectator witnessing a battle of highly skilled gamers.

I'm 40. No where near quick witted enough, or devoted enough, to excel and play a game at a hugely competitive level. When I play games (every single day), I play for the fun of the game, mental stimulation and a chilled pleasure. I enjoy a little low level competitive play - mixes in Counter Strike, Laddering on Sc2, Teaming up with mates for LoL or Dota2, and far too many hours of fun filled TF2 with my community friends.

I enjoyed your post as it was well written and makes a point. However, I have no difficulty with the idea that some play games to a far more skilled level than I do - and I enjoy watching them do so a great deal. Far more than I ever enjoyed Track or Field based sports. If it takes commercialisation to ensure that I can continue to watch high level players - who can afford to live off their gaming skills due to a growth in advertisement and professionalism, then so be it. Damn, if I could make a modest living of doing anything gaming related, I'd jump at the chance.

I fail to see how it's too hard to separate the two. I do hate witch hunts though. If someone wants to behave in a way that bothers me, it's pretty simple to ignore him/her and leave them to it. If ignorance is their issue - however it manifests itself, then I'm pretty sure they'll either learn from mistakes and profit, or fail to learn from mistakes and, well, make more mistakes. Who are we (the gaming public) to lecture and teach, without invitation.

And yes. I may have misunderstood your point. I have a tendancy to be a bit slow when doing anything other than gaming

supdubdup
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States916 Posts
May 03 2012 05:11 GMT
#363
E-sports is new. How it is right now, ya, defintely boring, but my other favorite sports have gotten boring to watch as well as I age, so I don't know.
Turn it Up
JoshuaGD
Profile Joined August 2011
United States13 Posts
May 03 2012 05:30 GMT
#364
I will say this: At least with Something Awful, the price of admission helps weed out a portion of the bad. TL, Solomid, and other Esports communities really don't.

Plus with SA I get really adorable emoticons,
One A Day.
mrRoflpwn
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2618 Posts
May 03 2012 05:41 GMT
#365
we really do need to focus more on the fun aspect- i mean for fucks sake! ITS A GAME! HAVE FUN! stop being so serious people.
Long live the Boss Toss!
Bippzy
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1466 Posts
May 03 2012 06:13 GMT
#366
Have you ever learned about nationalism? It's basically using a state as a religion. Patriotism=american nationalism= yell "for freedom" and kill terrorists.

Have you ever learned about more modern nationalism? It's basically picking a group on the internet and using it as your religion. eSports=Starcraft Nationalism=yell "for eSports" and kick orb out of his job for no reason.

The world is a stupid place. I agree. I just like to think that the majority of people on this website are smart. Look at the staff of teamliquid. When TL is too busy to load and it says "Someone is killing ESPORTS" I laugh a little to myself. Because ESPORTS is the word used because we got tired of saying we need to grow professional starcraft. It shouldn't be some religion, and it shouldn't be used to justify stupidity.

This leads me to my last point. MLG's PPV. I actually find it worth it to watch, with the games and storylines being satisfying for me. I couldn't understand this guy who just posted "I will never pay money for starcraft, I will only watch it for free". But seeing you write this shows me the true value the BW community has, that I have as well, even though I'm a starcraft 2 fan. We want to see good games for our own entertainment as a hobby, and they are good games because they are good and they are entertaining because they are. We don't need to debate if it is entertaining, or fun, or if we should swear about it. Just exist.



There's tradeoffs to progress, and the growth of esports is certainly no exception. You shine a light on some of the values we have lost along the way, a subject that does not get enough of the attention it deserves!
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pestilenz
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Denmark379 Posts
May 03 2012 06:17 GMT
#367
I tried wording something with thought and reasoning, but other people have done that for me.

I don't agree with you, and I think you are exaggerating your opinion. I know what your idea of the post was, but ranting like this is never the best way to go around.

Hope you will continue making bronze thingies, they were fun.
You can attack with this?!
Belial88
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5217 Posts
May 03 2012 06:28 GMT
#368
What sparked you to post this?

I somewhat agree, but I want to know what exactly forced you to post this.
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DyEnasTy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States3714 Posts
May 03 2012 06:37 GMT
#369
5/5, such an awesome blog.
Much better to die an awesome Terran than to live as a magic wielding fairy or a mindless sac of biological goop. -Manifesto7
HeIios
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2523 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-03 07:03:29
May 03 2012 07:02 GMT
#370
When I stay up late at night cheering for my favourite player I am not forced to do so, and the emotions are not fabricated.
I play Starcraft 2 for its competitive nature even though I'm quite awful at it, I keep on playing becaues it's a fun game.
I can't in any way, shape or form relate to your post threadstarter, and I hope I never will.
Destriel
Profile Joined October 2011
41 Posts
May 03 2012 07:07 GMT
#371
sorry, but i just dont agree with the general sentiment. i love starcraft, have since the 90s. i watch because its exciting and i love the game. i play (less than i watch!) because its exciting and i love the game. if theres an aspect of it i dont like (mlg arena cashgrabs being one) i just ignore them.

if you've lost your love or cant ignore the parts you hate (there will ALWAYS be parts you hate), just move on.
BEARDiaguz
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Australia2362 Posts
May 03 2012 07:10 GMT
#372
You hope sc2 never gets a lan mode?


You are a bad person!
ProgamerAustralian alcohol user follow @iaguzSC2
Grimskov
Profile Joined March 2011
Greece41 Posts
May 03 2012 07:48 GMT
#373
A great blog
5/5
LF9
Profile Joined November 2009
United States537 Posts
May 03 2012 08:00 GMT
#374
Sorry ur mad that all the exposure doomed you to being nothing more than an average competitive SC player. I wish there was something I coupd do for your ego, but we simply can't all be in Grandmaster league, and that leaves a lot of people bitter.
keioh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France1099 Posts
May 03 2012 08:00 GMT
#375
It seems you lost your paaAAAaassion.

Community forum does that to people. While I disagree with the general tone of your post and I hope that ESPORTS will become greater, I can definitely understand why you wrote it. I have the same reaction when I get to read Football results and stupidly begin to read comments on those results. This is the sad yet obligatory part of a growing "hobby", and I understand it can crush your joy for it, so much that you hope for it to disappear.
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Bap181
Profile Joined November 2011
France13 Posts
May 03 2012 08:15 GMT
#376
I managed to remember my login/pw for this.

I agree with you, I agree with you so fucking hard my agreement erection could destroy cities and topple empires.

However, I wouldnt blame starcraft, I wouldnt blame the game we all mostly love.

Theres still fun in Starcraft II, you just have to sift past the bullshit. I call people whatever I want on ladder when i'm mad, I go mass thor in 3v3, I'll laugh so hard on skype with friends when we play and do stupid shit like attacking ourselfs in team games (we once did 4v4 full worker rush and I was all like fucking supreme commander all over that shit, you have no idea how fun that was, "THIS MOTHERFUCKER HAS A MARINE OUT SHIT SHIT SHIT"). I'll go Bio in TvT because its funner than waiting 20 minutes moving up 1 tank at a time, I'll go sky terran in TvP because its fucking cool. I'll rush battlecruisers on 1 base because 11/11 bunker harass is just too much hassle.

And you know what, tournaments are cool as well, I do enjoy watching good play, I'll never tire of Wheat/Day9 casting an MLG final. I enjoy listening to destiny play and rage, let him call people whatever he wants to call them, I dont give a shit what you have to say, I'm not interested in youre 150 page threadnoughts and youre pathetic arguments, but I know I have a good time when I watch Destiny and thats enough for me.

I've never bought "nerd swag", I've only gone to thehandsomenerd to crash it, and I've never bough any kind of sub/HD pass in my life.

Why?

Because fuck you and fuck youre esports thats why, I dont give a shit, I play this game to have fun. If it all becomes PPV or sub based? Fuck it, I wont watch tournaments. I'll do something else, my life doesnt revolve around Starcraft II or esports so dont make me sacrifice my SCII fun for youre bullshit. If I want to call someone a faggot on ladder, youre damn right I'm gonna do it, because if that guys beng a faggot he needs to be told, and thats how it should be.

I guess my point is, Starcraft II is still fun, I enjoy it, I still strive to become better but never by sacrificing fun, if I'm forced to sacrifice fun for the esports altar, then fuck that shit, I'll play some World of Tanks Or Eve Online.

Eve Online, theres a game where the community arnt fucking faggots all the time.
Mord
Profile Joined May 2011
Norway171 Posts
May 03 2012 08:31 GMT
#377
This is hyperbole of the most hilariously bad kind. Terrible blog.
ohsea.toc
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Australia344 Posts
May 03 2012 08:31 GMT
#378
On May 03 2012 17:15 Bap181 wrote:
Fuck it, I wont watch tournaments. I'll do something else, my life doesnt revolve around Starcraft II or esports so dont make me sacrifice my SCII fun for youre bullshit. If I want to call someone a faggot on ladder, youre damn right I'm gonna do it, because if that guys beng a faggot he needs to be told, and thats how it should be.


I think this epitomises the lunacy in this thread. Such absurd vitriol.
Clip, clop, Camelot.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16071 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-03 08:41:24
May 03 2012 08:36 GMT
#379
I am devoted to the cause of e-sports, and to see the competition aspect of it elevated to the level that it is and to see people gain fame and fortune by being good at a game with as much credibility as any other in the world if not more is what I am all about.

To me it's all about fairness.

I've grown up my entire life with video games being my hobby of choice and being shunned by society for it. That has NEVER dampened my dedication to it. But to finally see an opportunity for me to no longer have to hide what I am doing and to be proud of it and to pursue a potential career in supporting that to me is exciting!


Why should activities I couldn't care less about be put on television and make people excited and yet the game I'm playing that is exciting, in depth and competitive be something that is played behind closed doors and only for fun?

Here's the problem I think you have Gheed. You are feeling insecure about your own hobby becoming something that is more than just something you play for fun. Guess what? No one is FORCING you to play Starcraft for a reason other than having fun.

I play basketball on weekends with my friends for fun, I play chess for fun, I play poker to win some side cash but mostly to have fun.

Just because there is a huge professional league for each of those activities doesn't mean that I can't still play those games for fun and nothing else. E-sports is no different. The advocates are not FORCING you to be as enthusiastic about it as we are, and we are not forcing you to stop playing starcraft for fun.

All we're doing is promoting the competitive side of video games to make them as legitimate of a competition as poker, as golf and as athletic sports in general. It's a matter of fairness, if you don't care then don't care. But don't act like we're hurting your life in some way with blogs like this.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
koldkilla205
Profile Joined May 2011
5 Posts
May 03 2012 08:37 GMT
#380
+1 I wouldn't say I hate e-sports, but I really feel you gheed. I can say I have enjoyed the game alot more when I DONT read posts from pro fanboys or how we need to "support e-sports". I was just here to get builds and thoughts on banshee timings against various races and saw your blog and I couldnt help myself. Now its time for me to leave before I get sucked back into the World of Bullshit that is called "e-sports".

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