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Chef
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You should move on from peon rushing, it's played out :o | ||
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BrosephBrostar
United States445 Posts
On May 03 2012 10:18 Kukaracha wrote: But what is there to be done about it, hm? Like Snoop always said, if you want to do your thang, then nobody is going to stop you from doing your thang. However, if you tell people how to live their life and start to whine about the behaviour of a whole community, than you're not really doing your thang : you simply want the community to fit your liking. There's nothing wrong with trying to get people to agree with you. Just because you're entitled to your own opinion doesn't mean I don't have the right to try to convince you that your opinion is wrong. | ||
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nastharl
United States3 Posts
Because society is better off with less people acting like assholes, and when assholes realize that acting like an asshole has consequences. And the more prominent people that get called out for it, the less likly people are to imitate them and act like assholes. Freedom of speech defense is a bullshit argument because you want to be able to act like an asshole and seem like its OK. ITS NOT OK TO BE AN ASSHOLE. Noone is forcing you to read threads about it. Noone is forcing you to comment on it. Noone is forcing you to be aware of it. You have the option RIGHT NOW to totally ignore all drama. However, you choose to read the drama and then be mad about it. Dont hold other people responsible for your choices. | ||
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whiterabbit
2675 Posts
Beautiful, just beautiful. Thank you for writing this blog, you said what I always wanted to "put out there" but never got arsed to do it. I am trying my best to just play and watch interesting (mostly non-featured) streams of people who enjoy the game to the fullest, and tournaments - usually muting the stream in-between games. I really love and respect TL as website and forum community but sometimes it is really hard to read some posts and topics, mostly because of what you nicely put in your blog entry. | ||
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Vul
United States685 Posts
The first is that if the OP were sincere, then it wouldn't have been posted on TL since TL is the community's primary site. You obviously do like that the SC2 community exists or else you wouldn't continue to post your comments here. The second is that it's either short sighted or immature to wish for people's careers to be ruined etc., just so that you can enjoy your game a little more. No one's stopping you from blocking TL.net, gomtv.net, etc. and just playing the game. You can do that right now and never have to pay attention to another SC2 tournament again. It's ironic because under the surface, you're the one who's worried about what everyone else thinks and does more than the game itself. The actions of the SC2 community don't affect your enjoyment of the game unless you go out of your way to allow them to. | ||
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Badinoff
15 Posts
On May 03 2012 10:52 nastharl wrote: Heres the thing. Heres the reason that i'm OK with people railing on destiny. Heres why we should witch-hunt every person out there over the age of 18 who fucks up. Heres there reason why people deserve to lose their jobs over crap like this. Because society is better off with less people acting like assholes, and when assholes realize that acting like an asshole has consequences. And the more prominent people that get called out for it, the less likly people are to imitate them and act like assholes. Freedom of speech defense is a bullshit argument because you want to be able to act like an asshole and seem like its OK. ITS NOT OK TO BE AN ASSHOLE. Noone is forcing you to read threads about it. Noone is forcing you to comment on it. Noone is forcing you to be aware of it. You have the option RIGHT NOW to totally ignore all drama. However, you choose to read the drama and then be mad about it. Dont hold other people responsible for your choices. Are you honestly arguing that people should lose their jobs for being an asshole? Tell me more about the wonders of draconian punishments. Should we punish minor traffic violations by firing squad? | ||
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BrosephBrostar
United States445 Posts
On May 03 2012 10:52 nastharl wrote: Heres the thing. Heres the reason that i'm OK with people railing on destiny. Heres why we should witch-hunt every person out there over the age of 18 who fucks up. Heres there reason why people deserve to lose their jobs over crap like this. Because society is better off with less people acting like assholes, and when assholes realize that acting like an asshole has consequences. And the more prominent people that get called out for it, the less likly people are to imitate them and act like assholes. Freedom of speech defense is a bullshit argument because you want to be able to act like an asshole and seem like its OK. ITS NOT OK TO BE AN ASSHOLE. Noone is forcing you to read threads about it. Noone is forcing you to comment on it. Noone is forcing you to be aware of it. You have the option RIGHT NOW to totally ignore all drama. However, you choose to read the drama and then be mad about it. Dont hold other people responsible for your choices. So basically when you don't like something it's ok to complain about it, but when someone doesn't like you they should mind their own business. | ||
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how
United States538 Posts
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Highways
Australia6113 Posts
TL was built by a community looking to build e-sports. From the news reporters, translators, torrent uploaders (ages ago), youtube uploaders, TLPD editors, Liquipedia editors etc... People on TL have spent hundreds of thousands of hours volunteering their time for the love of e-sports. So for you to shit on all of this, just for trivial issues is really selfish. Maybe try the LoL and DotA communties, you might fit better there. FUCK OFF FROM TL BECAUSE WE DONT NEED YOU. /rant User was warned for this post | ||
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GeeHyun
Argentina20 Posts
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nastharl
United States3 Posts
On May 03 2012 11:06 Badinoff wrote: Are you honestly arguing that people should lose their jobs for being an asshole? Tell me more about the wonders of draconian punishments. Should we punish minor traffic violations by firing squad? When in the course of your job you have the ability to affect the actions of thousands of people. YES YOU SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO BE AN ASSHOLE. Draconian punishment works quite well when the thing being punished is unjust. Its impossible to write laws with morality built in though, so we cannot make laws that allow draconian punishment. This situation however doesn't require laws. We have a benevolent dicatorship which can and will use its power to prevent people from doing stupid bullshit. | ||
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nastharl
United States3 Posts
On May 03 2012 11:08 BrosephBrostar wrote: So basically when you don't like something it's ok to complain about it, but when someone doesn't like you they should mind their own business. When the "thing i dont like" is "Acting like an asshole to piss off other people" then yes i get to complain, and when someone doesn't like me, they should indeed, shut up and walk away, unless i'm activly doing something to piss them off. Live and let live. You dont get to choose who you live in the world with, but you do get to choose how you interact with them. We're not talking about defending someones right to speak out against the majority, we're defending someones right to be a total asshat. If there was a way to ensure freedom of speech unless you're being an asshat we'd have done that, but there isn't. | ||
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jianming
149 Posts
On May 02 2012 10:20 Gheed wrote: We wouldn't have to worry about what other people thought of us. Says the guy who laughs at people because they don't know what "attack move" is. | ||
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itkovian
United States1763 Posts
This blog sums up my ideas very closely. There is nothing in this community I hate more than when someone gets on their white horse and crusade for some kind of e-sports utopia. I wish people would just chill out sometimes and enjoy the game for what it is, rather than what it could be. Though I don't go so far as you, in hoping SC2 burns to the ground. I want competitive gaming to thrive and succeed, but I want it to succeed how it is now, rather than as some kind of desensitized, polite, white washed version of itself. | ||
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ShiniSama
United States103 Posts
It would suck if there weren't any more tournaments or anything. I think the best thing that could happen is if all the major teams and all the major companies that sponsor SC2 and all these competitive games would ONLY listen to the public about GAME related issues. The companies and teams should just ignore EVERYTHING they hear from the community about specific players and other shit like that. I think the majority of the "esports" scene is retarded. And the other half that isn't needs to start speaking up more often. Great blog by the way. 5/5 | ||
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shlood
United States12 Posts
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sharky246
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hinnolinn
212 Posts
On May 03 2012 10:52 nastharl wrote: Heres the thing. Heres the reason that i'm OK with people railing on destiny. Heres why we should witch-hunt every person out there over the age of 18 who fucks up. Heres there reason why people deserve to lose their jobs over crap like this. Because society is better off with less people acting like assholes, and when assholes realize that acting like an asshole has consequences. And the more prominent people that get called out for it, the less likly people are to imitate them and act like assholes. Freedom of speech defense is a bullshit argument because you want to be able to act like an asshole and seem like its OK. ITS NOT OK TO BE AN ASSHOLE. Noone is forcing you to read threads about it. Noone is forcing you to comment on it. Noone is forcing you to be aware of it. You have the option RIGHT NOW to totally ignore all drama. However, you choose to read the drama and then be mad about it. Dont hold other people responsible for your choices. Not sure if you have just written perfect satire or not. Either way, being an asshole is subjective, and requires context in all situations. | ||
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bokeevboke
Singapore1674 Posts
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Brett
Australia3822 Posts
On May 02 2012 20:35 Tobberoth wrote: People who say "I remember when games were X" etc just sound like idiots. People would have killed to have a professional scene like SC2 has now when CS came out, same when Quake was big. Stop living in your dreamworld nostalgia, the gaming world hasn't turned to shit, you just happened to grow up. It's especially ridiculous when people say "games used to be all about fun, which is ruined now" when it relies 100% on the player. A bunch of 11 year old kids playing around with SC2 like we did with BW are having the same experience, they don't give a shit about whether or not Destiny uses bad words on stream. This summed up my thoughts perfectly... Talk about rose-coloured glasses... And for the record, I'm now 28 and one of those people who has been here from the start. You're (Gheed) misrepresenting what this community was about in the beginning, bud. | ||
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