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Psyonic_Reaver
United States4342 Posts
I know there are a lot of gun experts out there and I know some about rifles and shotguns (Been shooting 12/10 gauges since I was little and .22's for small rodents and .243's for deer), but I little knowledge about handguns. Any advice? I've heard/read Glock .45's are a good choice but I wanted to get some local internet knowledge. =)   | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
Oh, and you'll get different answers from everyone about the "best" round, so just get one based on preference. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8085 Posts
User was warned for this post | ||
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Sverigevader
Sweden388 Posts
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On April 21 2012 04:08 Biff The Understudy wrote: I don't want to derail the thread but what do you want a handgun for? I mean, it's meant to kill people, I don't really see any other use? You don't want to derail the thread, so you ask a question that can lead nowhere productive that can be answered by google with a search for "Recreational handgun uses"? | ||
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Endymion
United States3701 Posts
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538
Hungary3932 Posts
On April 21 2012 04:10 JingleHell wrote: You don't want to derail the thread, so you ask a question that can lead nowhere productive that can be answered by google with a search for "Recreational handgun uses"? It's not that long a post, how can you guys both miss the context? Are you just picking fights? He explicitly mentions "home defense" and "stopping power" (especially in limbs), that gives an answer to Biff The Understudy, and refutes JingleHell's idea about recreational use at the same time. | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On April 21 2012 04:20 538 wrote: It's not that long a post, how can you guys both miss the context? Are you just picking fights? He explicitly mentions "home defense" and "stopping power" (especially in limbs), that gives an answer to Biff The Understudy, and refutes JingleHell's idea about recreational use at the same time. Actually, I was pretty clearly answering the question asked of the OP, about what else to use one for besides killing people. After already giving my $0.02 on the OPs question. You know, speaking of missed context and picking fights and all, kinda an ironic post. | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
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pStar
996 Posts
On April 21 2012 04:20 Endymion wrote: after this incident i don't know if the US should trust you with owning a handgun I don't understand this, what does this have to do with anything? | ||
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Endymion
United States3701 Posts
On April 21 2012 04:24 pStar wrote: I don't understand this, what does this have to do with anything? here's some more context. basically he raged out because of a troll in LoL and got fired from riot for calling a player a g00k and then continuing to ban him. he even made a video trying to justify it while talking shit about EG management about a year ago too (even our beloved sir scoots!) | ||
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Game
3191 Posts
I say this all about the .40's because when I used to work as a bodyguard I'd carry 2 Glock 19's with Golden Saber bonded hollow's, and a .38 snub on my ankle. The 9mm is good for short work in shootouts, but for home defense, as you pointed out, you need serious stopping power. A .45 is too much. There are almost NO .45's with a good weight balance, and for an inexperienced shooter (which is often compared to one who is alert to sounds and or has just woken up), going to be less accurate than you initially desire. If you've ever been in a gunfight, they are quick. Very, very fucking quick. So when you'll need the balance of a precise and capable shot, your best bet is a .40cal. Actually I lied, my house is a mini-armory, and I would immediately grab my Mossberg pump shotgun and throw my Glock 22 on my hip in the case that my shell didn't hit in vital areas and I could tuck behind something to restore the time deficit I'll need to pull out my Glock. My last suggestion to you is learn your state's deadly force and gun laws to the fullest extent. This means, don't take something like Stand Your Ground or the Castle Doctrine as a means to shoot someone who is unarmed that breaks into your house and end up doing 15 years in prison due to your own negligence. | ||
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NB
Netherlands12045 Posts
My best advice is: move out of AZN! | ||
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feanor1
United States1899 Posts
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THE_DOMINATOR
United States309 Posts
On April 21 2012 04:08 Biff The Understudy wrote: I don't want to derail the thread but what do you want a handgun for? I mean, it's meant to kill people, I don't really see any other use? User was warned for this post ITS MEANT TO KILL ALL THE PEOPLE. but yea for self defense you can't go wrong with a colt 45 edit: I would advise against a shotgun simply because it's harder to handle in a confined space. | ||
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Pokebunny
United States10654 Posts
On April 21 2012 04:27 Endymion wrote: here's some more context. basically he raged out because of a troll in LoL and got fired from riot for calling a player a g00k and then continuing to ban him. he even made a video trying to justify it while talking shit about EG management about a year ago too (even our beloved sir scoots!) I don't know why you're trying to derail a blog about someone's past history, and history that isn't even related to StarCraft or the topic at hand. Seriously? If anything, I'd say teamliquid staff should be held to higher posting standards too -_- especially about someone that is a bit known in the community. | ||
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Rainbow Cuddles
United States486 Posts
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Karliath
United States2214 Posts
On April 21 2012 04:09 Sverigevader wrote: He wants the most suitable gun for home defense, not one that "looks sooo good." -_-I don't know how the gun laws work in the US, but if I could choose whichever I want, I'd want a Beretta M9. Looks sooo good. In any case, I would recommend a shotgun with birdshot over a handgun. 1) A shotgun is easier to handle, despite the ostensible simplicity of the handgun. In a stressful situation, it'll be much easier to aim at the intruder with a shotgun. 2) A shotgun with birdshot is cheaper than a handgun of comparable quality. 3) A shotgun maximizes wound trauma, making it more likely that the assailant would stop his attack. 4) At close, "home distances," the birdshot will do as much damage to a person as any other load. However, the advantage of the birdshot and the shotgun in general is that they are less likely to penetrate walls. This is a good thing, because you don't want to be accidentally hitting other people in your house. 5) If an intruder sees you with a shotgun before any shots are fired, chances are, he will gtfo your house asap. With a handgun, it's harder to spot, and even then, there's the question of whether it's a real gun or not. One of the advantages of the handgun over to shotgun, however, is that it is easier to handle in tight spaces or very close distances. But, seriously, if you're caught in such a close distance with the intruder, and he happens to have a gun as well, the odds aren't great for anyone. You're going for home defense, not acting out a movie scene. It's better to get a shotgun, get to a good spot, and shoot as soon as the intruder enters a doorway, climbs up the stairs, etc. | ||
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Game
3191 Posts
On April 21 2012 05:37 Karliath wrote: He wants the most suitable gun for home defense, not one that "looks sooo good." -_- In any case, I'm also not too sure about what handgun you would want to get, but I would recommend a shotgun with birdshot. 1) A shotgun is easier to handle, despite the ostensible simplicity of the handgun. In a stressful situation, it'll be much easier to aim at the intruder with a shotgun. 2) A shotgun with birdshot is cheaper than a handgun of comparable quality. 3) A shotgun maximizes wound trauma, making it more likely that the assailant would stop his attack. 4) At close, "home distances," the birdshot will do as much damage to a person as any other load. However, the advantage of the birdshot and the shotgun in general is that they are less likely to penetrate walls. This is a good thing, because you don't want to be accidentally hitting other people in your house. 5) If an intruder sees you with a shotgun before any shots are fired, chances are, he will gtfo your house asap. With a handgun, it's harder to spot, and even then, there's the question of whether it's a real gun or not. IMO you assume his responsibility with firearms to be high, or you also are irresponsible with them in principle. Fact is, you can't randomly shoot when you see someone, you have to identify the situation and a shotgun in those types of situations poses more of a threat of negligence charges landing you in prison than being killed during a burglary. | ||
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Karliath
United States2214 Posts
On April 21 2012 05:40 Game wrote: IMO you assume his responsibility with firearms to be high, or you also are irresponsible with them in principle. Fact is, you can't randomly shoot when you see someone, you have to identify the situation and a shotgun in those types of situations poses more of a threat of negligence charges landing you in prison than being killed during a burglary. I agree with you in principle, though I don't see how a handgun would more appropriately address this concern. The choice to shoot is up to the person with the gun, and has nothing to do with what gun he has. I would just suggest the OP to scrutinize and memorize the gun laws and Castle Doctrine of his state, and to make sure he has full understanding of his rights and limitations if someone were to intrude his house illegally. This way, if someone were to intrude, he wouldn't have to question the amount of force he can use. In many states, if there's an intruder in your house, you can shoot him without hesitation. This is because some state laws require that you sincerely believe the someone is trying to harm you, but, legally, the mere act of illegal intrusion gives you enough proof that he is trying to harm you. In other states, the conditions are harder to satisfy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_doctrine Edit: Just as a side note to the OP, when you call 911, the responder is never allowed to tell you, "yes, you can shoot him/her," even if you can (legally). Edit 2 @Game: Wait, I just read your first post, and now I don't understand what point you were trying to make. Were you just unhappy that I didn't mention that he should understand the laws of his state? On April 21 2012 Game wrote: Actually I lied, my house is a mini-armory, and I would immediately grab my Mossberg pump shotgun and throw my Glock 22 on my hip in the case that my shell didn't hit in vital areas and I could tuck behind something to restore the time deficit I'll need to pull out my Glock. | ||
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