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ragnorr
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark6097 Posts
April 15 2012 08:55 GMT
#21
I dont see why i should stop supporting blizzard, i get alot of value for what i pay for their games. I can get anoyed over the lack of lan/shared replay and what not as much as the other person, but instead they have made it up to me on a individual level by having games which gives me thousands of gameplay hours, continued support of their games(B.net 1.0 still running etc).
If they were making garbage games like EA i would reconsider. But they make good games in my opponion, which i spend 100+ hours of playing, that comes out without major bugs. Which is why i will buy d3 and future sc2 expansions
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
April 15 2012 08:55 GMT
#22
Here's to hoping D3 will bring a bigger and brighter future
Sprungjeezy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1313 Posts
April 15 2012 08:58 GMT
#23
On April 15 2012 17:35 TheAmazombie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2012 17:28 -Kaiser- wrote:
SC2 is the last game I'm buying from Blizzard until they fix up their shit. Might not even get the expansions.

Fact is, there are other companies (like Valve) that are selling their business on a model of giving us what we want. Blizzard is like a cocaine dealer that gives us milk powder so we crawl back for more.



That may be, but I don't want random yahoos choosing what I want out of a game. Not to mention they give us what I consider to be inferior products, even with more direct community input. Blizz is listening...remember the ladder? Remember the Reapers, Bunkers, and BitByBit.Prime? These are changes we all screamed for and they came eventually.

I just think it people are getting to be too much like martyrs on this topic. But do what you will, that is your choice, but I doubt it will affect anything.


Lol? Reapers, Bunkers, and BitByBit were problems we screamed about? No, those were things we didn't think were balanced. We SCREAM about LAN and B.net 2.0.

But yes the second part is true, it probably won't affect anything until a new company comes along and turns Blizzard's market upside down by giving us what we want. As for the RTS scene, Blizzard (as well as myself) don't see any competition in any direction so they have no reason to listen to our QQ, I'll be surprised if they treat Diablo 3 as nonchalantly with Guild Wars 2 as a similar noncompeting game that people may jump ship to. But for now SC2 and its expansions will do well because they are leagues ahead of the competition and because of that Blizzard has no real threatening reason to change it.

But I'm with the OP, I probably won't buy D3 or HotS unless Blizzard makes drastic changes.
MonkSEA
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Australia1227 Posts
April 15 2012 09:06 GMT
#24
If you need to question the company you want to purchase from it's generally not a good idea to purchase from them.

Also get over it. You're just a dead leaf in their forest of customers. They're obviously doing something right when they're still in business and as long as you're in business you don't have to do what a bunch of egotistic entitled kids want.

I'll be buying HotS. I'll be buying LotV. I'll be buying whatever other StarCraft franchise they'll release because I like the franchise. It's disappointing some of their decisions, yeah. It's disheartening when they won't listen to the community, yeah. But they're running a business and if you don't like it, don't support it. They'll get the message if a lot of people stop supporting them. I really don't think there's any other way to put it.
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TheKwas
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Iceland372 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-15 09:19:01
April 15 2012 09:17 GMT
#25
I have over 1200 wins in SC2 and probably a similar amount of losses. Assuming that the average game took around 15 minutes, that's 750 hours of gameplay out of a game I bought for $60. On a per-hour-basis, I paid 8 cents per hour, and that price continues to drop since I'm still playing occasional games of SC2. This is even excluding entertainment hours I spent watching SC2 esport competitions or streams.


Sure, it's annoying that Bnet2.0 took such a big step backwards from Warcraft III (socially speaking, I never have had the same lag or hacker problems that War3 often had, even when playing across servers). There's numerous little things about SC2 that tick me off and could be improved. However, i still obviously enjoy the game, and there's no other (non-blizzard) game out there that can even close to that sort of bang-for-your-buck ratio for me.


If you don't feel you're getting your money's worth, maybe you just don't like Starcraft? Other gamers gladly shell out 60 dollars for games that often are finished in only 12-15 hours of playtime.

I support Blizzard because they made a game that has become more than just a game for me: it became one of my favourite hobbies. I'd gladly pay 8 cents an hour to play a game like SC2 or WC3 again.
TheAmazombie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States3714 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-15 09:23:10
April 15 2012 09:22 GMT
#26
On April 15 2012 17:58 Sprungjeezy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2012 17:35 TheAmazombie wrote:
On April 15 2012 17:28 -Kaiser- wrote:
SC2 is the last game I'm buying from Blizzard until they fix up their shit. Might not even get the expansions.

Fact is, there are other companies (like Valve) that are selling their business on a model of giving us what we want. Blizzard is like a cocaine dealer that gives us milk powder so we crawl back for more.



That may be, but I don't want random yahoos choosing what I want out of a game. Not to mention they give us what I consider to be inferior products, even with more direct community input. Blizz is listening...remember the ladder? Remember the Reapers, Bunkers, and BitByBit.Prime? These are changes we all screamed for and they came eventually.

I just think it people are getting to be too much like martyrs on this topic. But do what you will, that is your choice, but I doubt it will affect anything.


Lol? Reapers, Bunkers, and BitByBit were problems we screamed about? No, those were things we didn't think were balanced. We SCREAM about LAN and B.net 2.0.

But yes the second part is true, it probably won't affect anything until a new company comes along and turns Blizzard's market upside down by giving us what we want. As for the RTS scene, Blizzard (as well as myself) don't see any competition in any direction so they have no reason to listen to our QQ, I'll be surprised if they treat Diablo 3 as nonchalantly with Guild Wars 2 as a similar noncompeting game that people may jump ship to. But for now SC2 and its expansions will do well because they are leagues ahead of the competition and because of that Blizzard has no real threatening reason to change it.

But I'm with the OP, I probably won't buy D3 or HotS unless Blizzard makes drastic changes.


You are screaming for LAN, but BLizz has come out in the past and said that it is unlikely because of how much of the game is supported by b.net, but that they are looking into alternative solutions. If you think that those alternatives didn't jump up to the top of the list after Browder and Morhiem had front row seats to one of the greatest SC2 games ever player getting ruined, then I will beg to differ.

There will be changes, there will be a system in place. Whether it be a reload game state feature or local server programs for tourneys, something will come. Things like that cannot just be thrown out there, at least not with any actual quality.
We think too much and feel too little. More than machinery, we need humanity. More than cleverness, we need kindness and gentleness. Without these qualities, life will be violent and all will be lost. -Charlie Chaplin
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-15 09:40:04
April 15 2012 09:31 GMT
#27
blizzard is awesome. stop being drama queens
TheAmazombie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States3714 Posts
April 15 2012 09:32 GMT
#28
On April 15 2012 18:31 dAPhREAk wrote:
blizzard is awesome. stop being dram queens


Basically this...I am just not as direct. =)
We think too much and feel too little. More than machinery, we need humanity. More than cleverness, we need kindness and gentleness. Without these qualities, life will be violent and all will be lost. -Charlie Chaplin
surfinbird1
Profile Joined September 2009
Germany999 Posts
April 15 2012 09:37 GMT
#29
Like a dozen people have already pointed out, just don't buy their games anymore. I for one won't buy Diablo3 or HotS.
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Medzo
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States627 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-15 10:15:14
April 15 2012 10:14 GMT
#30
You probably got your moneys worth. Battle.net 2.0 is just SOO disappointing though. Wont be buying HotS/LotV until they fix battle.net, but I consider my money well spent on starcraft 2 for all the hours of game play I got.
Snowbear
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Korea (South)1925 Posts
April 15 2012 10:46 GMT
#31
I wish you alot of luck in finding a NEW RTS game that:
1) is balanced so well
2) has still support (patches)

You will find the exact amount of ... 0. Blizzard gives us an esports game, and you ask yourself if you should support them?

Mysti_
Profile Joined May 2011
France185 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-15 11:34:33
April 15 2012 11:33 GMT
#32
Haha that's why i'm not supporting them anymore, I stopped playing sc2, stopped watching sc2 streams, I won't buy HotS unless they improve a LOT the ui and they change the shit units they were about to give to protoss, and i've started a campaign among my friends to make sure they won't buy Diablo 3 wich is their next shitty game. Oh and I got into the Dota 2 beta where the developpers actually CARE about the community and implement many cool features (<3 Valve <3).
"Strategy is the art of making use of time and space. I am less concerned about the later than the former. Space we can recover, lost time never." - "Ability is of little account without opportunity." Napoléon
Kurr
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada2338 Posts
April 15 2012 12:03 GMT
#33
I bought Diablo 3 because of nostalgia but there's a very good chance it's the last game I will ever buy from Blizzard. Even if they make good games, they fuck up everything else around them and that brings the actual fun gotten from the game down several levels.

Thankfully, Guild Wars 2 is coming out soon so I won't need to buy any new games until 2020 approximatively.
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Th1rdEye
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States1074 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-15 12:42:21
April 15 2012 12:36 GMT
#34
Um... First off, they already announced changes for Battle.net 2.0 system.

They've been collaborating with GSL to make Esports better for all of us, and even announced their own World Championship tournament.

They also have been listening to us about the map pool.. Now you can play GSL maps?

On top of that, they are trying new things with our beloved game as we speak, and also working on an expansion set to add more diversity to the game..

What else do you want? Go fuckin cry in a corner.. I've supported Blizzard since I was 5 years old. They are one of the longest standing game development companies ever.

You should be happy with the changes they have made already

edit: All of you children need to get your priorities straight. There's people starving in this world, and all you can do is complain about a GREAT game .. lmao

and about the ghosts.. they were fucking imbalanced. they were patched. get the fuck over it. people complain about it being a useless unit.. it still EMPs infestors, it still can cloak and snipe workers or important casters, and it still can NUKE.. lmao..

one final edit: little babies make this game worse than blizzard ever will


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Marti
Profile Joined August 2011
552 Posts
April 15 2012 13:17 GMT
#35
On April 15 2012 16:52 DyEnasTy wrote:
The thing is, 95% the poeple who are pissed and "up in arms" about not having these features will still buy the game. Most people dont have the capacity to stand up and sacrifice something they want to achieve something better. It frustrating because of people like them, we have companies like Activision/EA.

edit: post above mine....perfect example....


This : i am blizzard, there's a ton of problems with one of my game, why should i fix it ? Will the fact that sc2 has numerous flaws stop you from buying heart of the swarm ? Will fixing those make me sell more copies ???

Take a look at mass effect 3, i'm sure the ending was purely a test from EA to see how much their consumers put up with this BS. And the next mass effect will certainly sell very well.

I make a bad game, you buy it, i'll make another one, hell i'l make it even worse than the previous one, if bad games sell.
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breakingties
Profile Joined June 2010
United Kingdom72 Posts
April 15 2012 13:21 GMT
#36
On April 15 2012 17:43 aebriol wrote:
Which developer is making better games?

I mean, I see this all the time from fans about Blizzard and Bioware, but realistically ... might as well stop playing those genres if you don't want to play their games.


...valve
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ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12500 Posts
April 15 2012 13:49 GMT
#37
I buy their games because the games are good.
Seeing past all the bad parts, their games are still damn awesome.
We honestly want more than it is offering because we love the game and we know it could have been something even bigger. If it was a bad game, a game that you don't really care, you wouldn't even bother coming to TL to start a blog about it.

Admit it, the game is good. Show some support. Even if the follow up is shit/crap and some parts feel flawed and incomplete, the game is still good and you are still going to find some parts you love about it
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Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
April 15 2012 14:33 GMT
#38
On April 15 2012 19:46 Snowbear wrote:
I wish you alot of luck in finding a NEW RTS game that:
1) is balanced so well
2) has still support (patches)

You will find the exact amount of ... 0. Blizzard gives us an esports game, and you ask yourself if you should support them?



Oh really ???? I see Dota 2 and LoL getting lots of support and it's pretty much balance and I am not sure if you can call sc2 really balance actually .
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fire_brand
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada1123 Posts
April 15 2012 14:37 GMT
#39
Honestly I've seen so many of these threads that it's sickening. If you don't like their games or you don't think they're supporting their game enough don't buy them.

I think a lot of this whine is total entitlement. You paid 60 dollars or less for this game, a one time payment. What did you pay for? The retail version of the game. That's all you paid for. What have they given you? An exploding e-sports scene, multiple interface upgrades, multiple patches, multiplayer, single player, support, tournaments, etc. And you paid what for that? Nothing.

How many other games out there have given this much extra stuff from a 60 dollar game? Very very few. Most games you'll find out there for a similar cost will offer you new stuff eventually, but you'll have to pay for each incremental improvement. And even more games you'll buy will give you their game and nothing more. If it sucks, well too bad, you paid for it and you're not getting your money back.

Blizzard is constantly striving to improve the game through balance and interface tweaks. Of course there are going to be things that we don't receive or that are delivered to us slower than we want, but the fact that they're still listening and still improving the game this long after it's release is absolutely fantastic. We should be ecstatic that we still get the support we do and that Blizzard makes such intense efforts to listen to the community. They have numerous people on their payroll who's only job is to listen to the community.

I think we need to drop this silly mentality of entitlement and look at what we have been given. Let's try to look at what else we can do to shape the game instead of saying, "No LAN, fuck this I'm outties." We've been given an amazing game here and I don't think we've really had to pay too heavily for it. If Blizzard keeps supporting their games like this than I will gladly keep paying for their games.
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Snowbear
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Korea (South)1925 Posts
April 15 2012 14:46 GMT
#40
On April 15 2012 23:33 Sawamura wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2012 19:46 Snowbear wrote:
I wish you alot of luck in finding a NEW RTS game that:
1) is balanced so well
2) has still support (patches)

You will find the exact amount of ... 0. Blizzard gives us an esports game, and you ask yourself if you should support them?



Oh really ???? I see Dota 2 and LoL getting lots of support and it's pretty much balance and I am not sure if you can call sc2 really balance actually .


Dota and LoL are not RTS games for me. RTS games are games where you need to buid up an economy and an army imo. Sc2 is balanced, otherwise we would see 1 race winning everything.
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