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There is so many things that Starcraft 2 could be improved upon, but despite our attempts we get for the most part, ignored. There are some exceptions of course, but for the most part I've just lost faith in blizzards ability to maintain its game and support the community that so passionately supports them.
We see time and time again when a community member makes a fix for a common problem, and we tell blizzard about it, and just nothing happens. One is the snipe change. This was done straight up wrong. They said they wanted to reduce its effectiveness towards ultralisks and broodlords, they instead nerfed its utility in ALL of the matchups, if they said it was to versatile in all matchups, that'd be okay, but they didn't. If they just did 50 damage and - 25 damage to massive, it would of made so much more sense. And we told blizzard about this. People emailed this solution to blizzard, put it on their forums, but they didn't even respond to it. And then proceeded to go with their sub-optimal solution. There is a lot more examples of this, but you guys get the idea.
One of the biggest things that frustrates me is battlenet 2.0. We have had absolutely massive campaigns to get blizzards attention when it comes to issues with this, but still nothing changes. The only response we ever get is "Its on the list" or something on those lines. It pisses me off to no end when community members post beautifully written criticisms about battlenet and blizzard just gives a fluff answer and doesn't do anything.
There is loads of other things that pisses me off such as shared replays, save/load in game, lan, but you guys have heard all of those already. The question I pose to you is, why should we still be supporting blizzard? They are so unbelievably disrespectful to the community that I don't understand why we're still here. I for one, am not going to support a gaming company who does not support their community. And unless there are going to be significant changes, I will definitely not be buying heart of the swarm.
  
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lol I hear u man, SC2 is the last game I buy from blizztard.
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Why are you asking if you should support them? You've obviously made up your mind.
Some people will be content with what we have and some people won't.
You dont have to buy their games but other people still will and you'll just have to deal with it and move on. Trying to convince people that what they like is wrong or bad is an easy way to start an argument neither person will win.
I know you want to try and improve their decisions but you need to recognize when you're beating a dead horse and when its time to just stop worrying about it.
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i must play Diablo 3 tho tt
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The thing is, 95% the poeple who are pissed and "up in arms" about not having these features will still buy the game. Most people dont have the capacity to stand up and sacrifice something they want to achieve something better. It frustrating because of people like them, we have companies like Activision/EA.
edit: post above mine....perfect example....
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if you don't think it's worth the money to buy games from blizz don't buy it. By saying that, I mean I'll buy Diablo3 but I still have to think about HOTS considering that the i'm spending a new game worth amount of money for a couple of extra new units (and some old units removed) and a possibly boring single campaign
EDIT: Assuming that blizz doesn't care about esport, sc2 has no future so that's another reason why I wouldn't buy HOTS and move on to Dota 2 which has a much brighter future
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While there are annoying (lack of) features, it does not take away from the game for me. I wish they would fix stuff also, but I love that they just don't release garbage then patch it every week like Microsoft and many other game companies like to do. Do what you will, but I am tired of people bitching about a game that they have received +1000s of hour of entertainment from for only $60.
I will support them because they usually eventually fix issues and they produce good games. I get tons of hours of extra, basically free entertainment out of it and I will continue to do so.
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On April 15 2012 16:52 DyEnasTy wrote:
The thing is, 95% the poeple who are pissed and "up in arms" about not having these features will still buy the game. Most people dont have the capacity to stand up and sacrifice something they want to achieve something better. It frustrating because of people like them, we have companies like Activision/EA.
edit: post above mine....perfect example....
no no im not making blogs about how blizz sucks so.... im not your perfect example sry.
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On April 15 2012 16:56 TheAmazombie wrote:
While there are annoying (lack of) features, it does not take away from the game for me. I wish they would fix stuff also, but I love that they just don't release garbage then patch it every week like Microsoft and many other game companies like to do. Do what you will, but I am tired of people bitching about a game that they have received +1000s of hour of entertainment from for only $60.
I will support them because they usually eventually fix issues and they produce good games.
I have to agree, the amount of entertainment they got from $60 is so worth it that those complaint sounds almost over the line, but I think the problem here is not that, but rather does blizzard really cares about us gamers and esport?
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None of that is necessary to actually just play a good game of ZvT. That's the experience I spent my money on. While all those extras would be nice, the experience I get just from the gameplay has been well worth the money.
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On April 15 2012 16:59 brachester wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2012 16:56 TheAmazombie wrote:
While there are annoying (lack of) features, it does not take away from the game for me. I wish they would fix stuff also, but I love that they just don't release garbage then patch it every week like Microsoft and many other game companies like to do. Do what you will, but I am tired of people bitching about a game that they have received +1000s of hour of entertainment from for only $60.
I will support them because they usually eventually fix issues and they produce good games. I have to agree, the amount of entertainment they got from $60 is so worth it that those complaint sounds almost over the line, but I think the problem here is not that, but rather does blizzard really cares about us gamers and esport?
I believe that they do. Just because they don't listen to every single complaint or take it and just release a new patch each week to appease the TLers or Redditors (Thank God) just means it is Blizz being Blizz. They take their time and try to release things slowly and correctly. They may not always be right, but geez, they are just game designers. This is not a conspiracy where they just "don't care" about us or our concerns. They are not Mr. Burns, sitting around tenting their fingers while being rich on the backs of idiots...(WoW not included).
They are a business and a decent one at that. They know the longevity in this game is the best to continued revenue. They have fixed things slowly and consistently. These fixes will come eventually.
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I am amazed how good the game is. This game is well worth the hours of enjoyment you get out of it. But it can be frustrating that people like Dustin Browder and Blizzard Development are still ignoring the community.
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What rts is superior to sc2 today?
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Because.
Name me two games as good as Starcraft 2. Nowadays so much crap is released and it's extremely hard to find a challenging multiplayer experience. I don't know about you but going 50-10 every game you play CoD is rather boring.
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On April 15 2012 17:18 sickle wrote:
What rts is superior to sc2 today?
BroodWar?
And classic bnet is far better than bnet 2.0
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On April 15 2012 17:23 Shana wrote:BroodWar? And classic bnet is far better than bnet 2.0
I meant which modern rts. But noone is stopping you from playing BW.
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SC2 is the last game I'm buying from Blizzard until they fix up their shit. Might not even get the expansions.
Fact is, there are other companies (like Valve) that are selling their business on a model of giving us what we want. Blizzard is like a cocaine dealer that gives us milk powder so we crawl back for more.
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On April 15 2012 17:28 -Kaiser- wrote:
SC2 is the last game I'm buying from Blizzard until they fix up their shit. Might not even get the expansions.
Fact is, there are other companies (like Valve) that are selling their business on a model of giving us what we want. Blizzard is like a cocaine dealer that gives us milk powder so we crawl back for more.
That may be, but I don't want random yahoos choosing what I want out of a game. Not to mention they give us what I consider to be inferior products, even with more direct community input. Blizz is listening...remember the ladder? Remember the Reapers, Bunkers, and BitByBit.Prime? These are changes we all screamed for and they came eventually.
I just think it people are getting to be too much like martyrs on this topic. But do what you will, that is your choice, but I doubt it will affect anything.
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If you don't want to support Blizzard, vote with your wallet and don't buy any games from them
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Which developer is making better games?
I mean, I see this all the time from fans about Blizzard and Bioware, but realistically ... might as well stop playing those genres if you don't want to play their games.
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I dont see why i should stop supporting blizzard, i get alot of value for what i pay for their games. I can get anoyed over the lack of lan/shared replay and what not as much as the other person, but instead they have made it up to me on a individual level by having games which gives me thousands of gameplay hours, continued support of their games(B.net 1.0 still running etc).
If they were making garbage games like EA i would reconsider. But they make good games in my opponion, which i spend 100+ hours of playing, that comes out without major bugs. Which is why i will buy d3 and future sc2 expansions
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Here's to hoping D3 will bring a bigger and brighter future
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On April 15 2012 17:35 TheAmazombie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2012 17:28 -Kaiser- wrote:
SC2 is the last game I'm buying from Blizzard until they fix up their shit. Might not even get the expansions.
Fact is, there are other companies (like Valve) that are selling their business on a model of giving us what we want. Blizzard is like a cocaine dealer that gives us milk powder so we crawl back for more.
That may be, but I don't want random yahoos choosing what I want out of a game. Not to mention they give us what I consider to be inferior products, even with more direct community input. Blizz is listening...remember the ladder? Remember the Reapers, Bunkers, and BitByBit.Prime? These are changes we all screamed for and they came eventually. I just think it people are getting to be too much like martyrs on this topic. But do what you will, that is your choice, but I doubt it will affect anything.
Lol? Reapers, Bunkers, and BitByBit were problems we screamed about? No, those were things we didn't think were balanced. We SCREAM about LAN and B.net 2.0.
But yes the second part is true, it probably won't affect anything until a new company comes along and turns Blizzard's market upside down by giving us what we want. As for the RTS scene, Blizzard (as well as myself) don't see any competition in any direction so they have no reason to listen to our QQ, I'll be surprised if they treat Diablo 3 as nonchalantly with Guild Wars 2 as a similar noncompeting game that people may jump ship to. But for now SC2 and its expansions will do well because they are leagues ahead of the competition and because of that Blizzard has no real threatening reason to change it.
But I'm with the OP, I probably won't buy D3 or HotS unless Blizzard makes drastic changes.
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If you need to question the company you want to purchase from it's generally not a good idea to purchase from them.
Also get over it. You're just a dead leaf in their forest of customers. They're obviously doing something right when they're still in business and as long as you're in business you don't have to do what a bunch of egotistic entitled kids want.
I'll be buying HotS. I'll be buying LotV. I'll be buying whatever other StarCraft franchise they'll release because I like the franchise. It's disappointing some of their decisions, yeah. It's disheartening when they won't listen to the community, yeah. But they're running a business and if you don't like it, don't support it. They'll get the message if a lot of people stop supporting them. I really don't think there's any other way to put it.
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I have over 1200 wins in SC2 and probably a similar amount of losses. Assuming that the average game took around 15 minutes, that's 750 hours of gameplay out of a game I bought for $60. On a per-hour-basis, I paid 8 cents per hour, and that price continues to drop since I'm still playing occasional games of SC2. This is even excluding entertainment hours I spent watching SC2 esport competitions or streams.
Sure, it's annoying that Bnet2.0 took such a big step backwards from Warcraft III (socially speaking, I never have had the same lag or hacker problems that War3 often had, even when playing across servers). There's numerous little things about SC2 that tick me off and could be improved. However, i still obviously enjoy the game, and there's no other (non-blizzard) game out there that can even close to that sort of bang-for-your-buck ratio for me.
If you don't feel you're getting your money's worth, maybe you just don't like Starcraft? Other gamers gladly shell out 60 dollars for games that often are finished in only 12-15 hours of playtime.
I support Blizzard because they made a game that has become more than just a game for me: it became one of my favourite hobbies. I'd gladly pay 8 cents an hour to play a game like SC2 or WC3 again.
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On April 15 2012 17:58 Sprungjeezy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2012 17:35 TheAmazombie wrote:On April 15 2012 17:28 -Kaiser- wrote:
SC2 is the last game I'm buying from Blizzard until they fix up their shit. Might not even get the expansions.
Fact is, there are other companies (like Valve) that are selling their business on a model of giving us what we want. Blizzard is like a cocaine dealer that gives us milk powder so we crawl back for more.
That may be, but I don't want random yahoos choosing what I want out of a game. Not to mention they give us what I consider to be inferior products, even with more direct community input. Blizz is listening...remember the ladder? Remember the Reapers, Bunkers, and BitByBit.Prime? These are changes we all screamed for and they came eventually. I just think it people are getting to be too much like martyrs on this topic. But do what you will, that is your choice, but I doubt it will affect anything. Lol? Reapers, Bunkers, and BitByBit were problems we screamed about? No, those were things we didn't think were balanced. We SCREAM about LAN and B.net 2.0. But yes the second part is true, it probably won't affect anything until a new company comes along and turns Blizzard's market upside down by giving us what we want. As for the RTS scene, Blizzard (as well as myself) don't see any competition in any direction so they have no reason to listen to our QQ, I'll be surprised if they treat Diablo 3 as nonchalantly with Guild Wars 2 as a similar noncompeting game that people may jump ship to. But for now SC2 and its expansions will do well because they are leagues ahead of the competition and because of that Blizzard has no real threatening reason to change it. But I'm with the OP, I probably won't buy D3 or HotS unless Blizzard makes drastic changes.
You are screaming for LAN, but BLizz has come out in the past and said that it is unlikely because of how much of the game is supported by b.net, but that they are looking into alternative solutions. If you think that those alternatives didn't jump up to the top of the list after Browder and Morhiem had front row seats to one of the greatest SC2 games ever player getting ruined, then I will beg to differ.
There will be changes, there will be a system in place. Whether it be a reload game state feature or local server programs for tourneys, something will come. Things like that cannot just be thrown out there, at least not with any actual quality.
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blizzard is awesome. stop being drama queens
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On April 15 2012 18:31 dAPhREAk wrote:
blizzard is awesome. stop being dram queens
Basically this...I am just not as direct. =)
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Like a dozen people have already pointed out, just don't buy their games anymore. I for one won't buy Diablo3 or HotS.
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You probably got your moneys worth. Battle.net 2.0 is just SOO disappointing though. Wont be buying HotS/LotV until they fix battle.net, but I consider my money well spent on starcraft 2 for all the hours of game play I got.
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I wish you alot of luck in finding a NEW RTS game that:
1) is balanced so well
2) has still support (patches)
You will find the exact amount of ... 0. Blizzard gives us an esports game, and you ask yourself if you should support them?
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Haha that's why i'm not supporting them anymore, I stopped playing sc2, stopped watching sc2 streams, I won't buy HotS unless they improve a LOT the ui and they change the shit units they were about to give to protoss, and i've started a campaign among my friends to make sure they won't buy Diablo 3 wich is their next shitty game. Oh and I got into the Dota 2 beta where the developpers actually CARE about the community and implement many cool features (<3 Valve <3).
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I bought Diablo 3 because of nostalgia but there's a very good chance it's the last game I will ever buy from Blizzard. Even if they make good games, they fuck up everything else around them and that brings the actual fun gotten from the game down several levels.
Thankfully, Guild Wars 2 is coming out soon so I won't need to buy any new games until 2020 approximatively.
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Um... First off, they already announced changes for Battle.net 2.0 system.
They've been collaborating with GSL to make Esports better for all of us, and even announced their own World Championship tournament.
They also have been listening to us about the map pool.. Now you can play GSL maps?
On top of that, they are trying new things with our beloved game as we speak, and also working on an expansion set to add more diversity to the game..
What else do you want? Go fuckin cry in a corner.. I've supported Blizzard since I was 5 years old. They are one of the longest standing game development companies ever.
You should be happy with the changes they have made already
edit: All of you children need to get your priorities straight. There's people starving in this world, and all you can do is complain about a GREAT game .. lmao
and about the ghosts.. they were fucking imbalanced. they were patched. get the fuck over it. people complain about it being a useless unit.. it still EMPs infestors, it still can cloak and snipe workers or important casters, and it still can NUKE.. lmao..
one final edit: little babies make this game worse than blizzard ever will
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On April 15 2012 16:52 DyEnasTy wrote:
The thing is, 95% the poeple who are pissed and "up in arms" about not having these features will still buy the game. Most people dont have the capacity to stand up and sacrifice something they want to achieve something better. It frustrating because of people like them, we have companies like Activision/EA.
edit: post above mine....perfect example....
This : i am blizzard, there's a ton of problems with one of my game, why should i fix it ? Will the fact that sc2 has numerous flaws stop you from buying heart of the swarm ? Will fixing those make me sell more copies ???
Take a look at mass effect 3, i'm sure the ending was purely a test from EA to see how much their consumers put up with this BS. And the next mass effect will certainly sell very well.
I make a bad game, you buy it, i'll make another one, hell i'l make it even worse than the previous one, if bad games sell.
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On April 15 2012 17:43 aebriol wrote:
Which developer is making better games?
I mean, I see this all the time from fans about Blizzard and Bioware, but realistically ... might as well stop playing those genres if you don't want to play their games.
...valve
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I buy their games because the games are good.
Seeing past all the bad parts, their games are still damn awesome.
We honestly want more than it is offering because we love the game and we know it could have been something even bigger. If it was a bad game, a game that you don't really care, you wouldn't even bother coming to TL to start a blog about it.
Admit it, the game is good. Show some support. Even if the follow up is shit/crap and some parts feel flawed and incomplete, the game is still good and you are still going to find some parts you love about it
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On April 15 2012 19:46 Snowbear wrote:
I wish you alot of luck in finding a NEW RTS game that:
1) is balanced so well
2) has still support (patches)
You will find the exact amount of ... 0. Blizzard gives us an esports game, and you ask yourself if you should support them?
Oh really ???? I see Dota 2 and LoL getting lots of support and it's pretty much balance and I am not sure if you can call sc2 really balance actually .
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Honestly I've seen so many of these threads that it's sickening. If you don't like their games or you don't think they're supporting their game enough don't buy them.
I think a lot of this whine is total entitlement. You paid 60 dollars or less for this game, a one time payment. What did you pay for? The retail version of the game. That's all you paid for. What have they given you? An exploding e-sports scene, multiple interface upgrades, multiple patches, multiplayer, single player, support, tournaments, etc. And you paid what for that? Nothing.
How many other games out there have given this much extra stuff from a 60 dollar game? Very very few. Most games you'll find out there for a similar cost will offer you new stuff eventually, but you'll have to pay for each incremental improvement. And even more games you'll buy will give you their game and nothing more. If it sucks, well too bad, you paid for it and you're not getting your money back.
Blizzard is constantly striving to improve the game through balance and interface tweaks. Of course there are going to be things that we don't receive or that are delivered to us slower than we want, but the fact that they're still listening and still improving the game this long after it's release is absolutely fantastic. We should be ecstatic that we still get the support we do and that Blizzard makes such intense efforts to listen to the community. They have numerous people on their payroll who's only job is to listen to the community.
I think we need to drop this silly mentality of entitlement and look at what we have been given. Let's try to look at what else we can do to shape the game instead of saying, "No LAN, fuck this I'm outties." We've been given an amazing game here and I don't think we've really had to pay too heavily for it. If Blizzard keeps supporting their games like this than I will gladly keep paying for their games.
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On April 15 2012 23:33 Sawamura wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2012 19:46 Snowbear wrote:
I wish you alot of luck in finding a NEW RTS game that:
1) is balanced so well
2) has still support (patches)
You will find the exact amount of ... 0. Blizzard gives us an esports game, and you ask yourself if you should support them?
Oh really ???? I see Dota 2 and LoL getting lots of support and it's pretty much balance and I am not sure if you can call sc2 really balance actually .
Dota and LoL are not RTS games for me. RTS games are games where you need to buid up an economy and an army imo. Sc2 is balanced, otherwise we would see 1 race winning everything.
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bcoz dey da vehicle of esport.
 I'm honestly on the same boat asking that question but I'm hoping that HoTs and D3 will make up for the shit they have released known as sc2
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With the current system I will always support Blizzard.
Think about it, almost every other major company requires any DLC or extra content to be paid. Blizzard improves their games for free while continuing to develop expansions. Not only that, but they are quality improvements as well.
Blizzard has been handed a large (but awesome) task in managing the largest game in esports, and they've done an excellent job as far as the game goes.
Don't rock the boat, it could be much worse.
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I have to disagree with many statements in this thread. Sure, I do make posts about stuff I want on the B.Net forums, and they don't get implemented most of the times, but fact of the matter is that Blizzard still makes some of the best games for the value.
I'd rather buy a game I have a few single gripes with as long as I can get 100s of hours of enjoyment out if it than just "boycott' Blizzard. What good does it do me to not buy a game that I would in all likelyhood spend more hours on than any other games of the same genres? Eventually when I kick the bucket, I'll get to say I had my fun instead of always waiting for something better to come along, because ultimately, when that better game comes out, I'll buy that too.
I won't be taking my pride or money to the grave, but I hope I'll have had some enjoyment in life.
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On April 15 2012 16:58 cmen15 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2012 16:52 DyEnasTy wrote:
The thing is, 95% the poeple who are pissed and "up in arms" about not having these features will still buy the game. Most people dont have the capacity to stand up and sacrifice something they want to achieve something better. It frustrating because of people like them, we have companies like Activision/EA.
edit: post above mine....perfect example.... no no im not making blogs about how blizz sucks so.... im not your perfect example sry.
Ok fine your the part of the masses who accept a sub par product, thus forcing the rest of us to play or leave something that we cherished and loved for years. Its because of your dollar that....again contribute to the success of businesses like EA/Activision.
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If you don't like what blizz is doing just do one very simple thing, stop buying their games. That's what I did. Battle.net is horrible, SC2 is so much more simple and less fun to watch compared to BW, Wow which once was a great and fun game now its just mindless and had every bit of fun taken out of it, Diablo 3 had every bit of "complexity" taken out of it and it was made into Wow pretty much. Not just all this but the way they handle e-Sports compared to other developers is just sad, they have such a huge game and they just sit on their hands when the community tries to help improve the game.
I don't like all these changes they made to franchises I loved for many many years, so I won't be buying any of their future games. Blizz is a great developer with great franchises but there is a point where if the game is not fun for you, doesn't matter what the name of the game is, if you don't find it fun it doesn't matter how successful it is and how many other people like it.
I've found Dota 2 to be a really fun alternative as far as e-sports go even though I never played dota in my life, I did some reading on how the game works and I been really enjoying watching Tobi cast all those tournaments and having Valve behind it is also great since they have never disappointed me with their games. I plan on buying Dota 2 when it comes out and start getting more familiar with the game by playing it since it seems to be very much fun, I really like valve didn't simplify the sequel (apparently) like many other developers are doing these days with their games to access a bigger audience of people who aren't willing to spend any time learning the game and just want something easy and quick like they are playing Angry Birds.
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On April 16 2012 04:11 DyEnasTy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2012 16:58 cmen15 wrote:On April 15 2012 16:52 DyEnasTy wrote:
The thing is, 95% the poeple who are pissed and "up in arms" about not having these features will still buy the game. Most people dont have the capacity to stand up and sacrifice something they want to achieve something better. It frustrating because of people like them, we have companies like Activision/EA.
edit: post above mine....perfect example.... no no im not making blogs about how blizz sucks so.... im not your perfect example sry. Ok fine your the part of the masses who accept a sub par product, thus forcing the rest of us to play or leave something that we cherished and loved for years.
How many games have you bought the last 5 years that met your standards, if sc2 doesn't? How much did you pay for them?
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On April 15 2012 16:32 TBone- wrote:
There is loads of other things that pisses me off such as shared replays, save/load in game, lan, but you guys have heard all of those already. The question I pose to you is, why should we still be supporting blizzard? They are so unbelievably disrespectful to the community that I don't understand why we're still here. I for one, am not going to support a gaming company who does not support their community. And unless there are going to be significant changes, I will definitely not be buying heart of the swarm.
Well. First of all I don't play or watch Starcraft 2 anymore. But I had quite a few very active months. I don't enjoy the game anymore, but I don't look at it as a bad game.
I would have never played & watched Broodwar for almost a decade because of the game alone. It had its shortcoming. It's hackers and UI flaws (Black games list, anyone?). What makes or breaks a game is it's following, stuff that sparks to life because of the community i.e. Korean E-Sports.
I know a shitload of people can relate to this. You almost gave up on the game, played other games, moved on with your life, and then you watched the OGN Starleague Finals and were totally in to it again because hell that was some cool shit you just saw. It inspired you. It didn't necessarily make you a better player, but it gave you perspective to what can be done and what little your skill allowed.
So you started to play the game out of fun again, joined a clan with some buddies, formed friendships, hung around in chats with them and played clanwars on sundays. But you didn't look at yourself as some hardcore die hard down to the core fan. It was just there, with you. You didn't ask for anything new. You didn't look at the UI going "why don't they fix this!!? I never support them again". Blizzard didn't even really exist for you, they where of no importance.
It was the Nadas, the SAviOrs, the Boxers, the Bisus, the stories, the dramas, it was Teamliquid and all it's counterparts, it was your internet friendships, the guys who wrote these awesome articles and the ones who went to great lengths making it possible for you to even watch a Starleague live. Everyone who was in it because it was positive fun. Not everything was perfect. But it didn't have to be. It just was.
I personally couldn't care less who makes these games. No gaming company produces games in the same formation they have been since they existed anyway. So what do I care. Millions of people play WoW. I don't. So what. Either it gives me that special something or it doesn't. Hell maybe next year a new game comes out and sucks me right into it. Or not. So what. No company is worth crying about. Today I play game XY, tomorrow I learn the guitar from someone on youtube. "Shit is flimsy".
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Well, if you don 't want to play you don't have to. If it's really bothersome to you there are loads of other games you can play. However, here's one thing to consider. From an engineering perspective, many of the changes that have been suggested are not as simple as many of you assume. The things that seem like simple changes (e.g. battle.net) would actually take a great deal of development, time and testing. What's more is that the change you guys are suggested for the battle.net UI aren't just tweaking. They're a revamping of the entire thing. Perhaps you should have more faith in blizzard. If they say they're working on/ looking into something, maybe they are? Changing battle.net UI seems like something that'd take months if not a full year to complete successfully. It's really a shame that so many arrogant, I-have-no-real-world-experience, undergrad comp. science majors have fooled you guys into thinking these changes are ezpz, and that blizzard is withholding doing so because they are meanie butts. If I were a blizzard developer I wouldn't even want to change it tbh. Even if they did laboriously made a change to the UI, our selfish, entitled generation would find reasons to dislike it and continue complaining. We are a generation that complains about nearly everything, and we think that dropping a mere 60 dollars on a game entitles us to tell blizzard about everything it should and shouldn't be doing. Let us not forget that when we are paying for these games we are paying for access not ownership. Having blizzard listen to even a few of our concerns should be a privilege not something we're owed.
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On April 16 2012 19:04 pedostare wrote:
Well, if you don 't want to play you don't have to. If it's really bothersome to you there are loads of other games you can play. However, here's one thing to consider. From an engineering perspective, many of the changes that have been suggested are not as simple as many of you assume. The things that seem like simple changes (e.g. battle.net) would actually take a great deal of development, time and testing. What's more is that the change you guys are suggested for the battle.net UI aren't just tweaking. They're a revamping of the entire thing. Perhaps you should have more faith in blizzard. If they say they're working on/ looking into something, maybe they are? Changing battle.net UI seems like something that'd take months if not a full year to complete successfully. It's really a shame that so many arrogant, I-have-no-real-world-experience, undergrad comp. science majors have fooled you guys into thinking these changes are ezpz, and that blizzard is withholding doing so because they are meanie butts. If I were a blizzard developer I wouldn't even want to change it tbh. Even if they did laboriously made a change to the UI, our selfish, entitled generation would find reasons to dislike it and continue complaining. We are a generation that complains about nearly everything, and we think that dropping a mere 60 dollars on a game entitles us to tell blizzard about everything it should and shouldn't be doing. Let us not forget that when we are paying for these games we are paying for access not ownership. Having blizzard listen to even a few of our concerns should be a privilege not something we're owed.
This bullshit belief in gamer entitlement needs to end. This is fucking capitalism, blizzard makes adjustmentscand changes to keep me happy cause they want my money and everyone else's money. There are no privledges or rights. Stop being an idiot.
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On April 16 2012 17:50 aebriol wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2012 04:11 DyEnasTy wrote:On April 15 2012 16:58 cmen15 wrote:On April 15 2012 16:52 DyEnasTy wrote:
The thing is, 95% the poeple who are pissed and "up in arms" about not having these features will still buy the game. Most people dont have the capacity to stand up and sacrifice something they want to achieve something better. It frustrating because of people like them, we have companies like Activision/EA.
edit: post above mine....perfect example.... no no im not making blogs about how blizz sucks so.... im not your perfect example sry. Ok fine your the part of the masses who accept a sub par product, thus forcing the rest of us to play or leave something that we cherished and loved for years. How many games have you bought the last 5 years that met your standards, if sc2 doesn't? How much did you pay for them?
My argument isnt initially buying SC2 at all. I bought it. Hell I bought the collectors edition. But I will not continue to support a game maker that is taking steps backwards. Even semi intelligent people are aware that companies are intentionally doing things that are underhanded, greedy and downright wrong to be quite honest. So instead of accepting a sub optimal product, not just by my standard but instead by a standard they themselves have set in the past (actually a game thats 12 years old has a good "standard" comes to mind) I will refrain from buying the next installment of SC2 till Blizzard starts acting like the company I loved growing up and instead of the money hungry Activisionists.
I just wish more people would stop being duped and take a similar stand. Especially the ones who are hypocrites.
edit: to directly answer your question the games I have purchased (or played) are: SC2, AoE 3, Sins of a Solar Empire, Mass Effect 2, LoL, BF3, Rift and Halo Reach. The ones that have met my "standard" are ME2, LoL and to a smaller degree BF3 but only in gameplay. I think out of any EA game Ive ever played that one was pretty good up until the recent patch.
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Because they make cool games?
On the change game front, customer feedback is of course important, but implementing takes time. At my company, we have customer complaints that lead to improvements, but that can be over 6 months to get the slightest change. We've all got multiple things going on, and we only have some time here and there to focus on any single one problem. And its not as if a single person can make the changes and be done with it. Whatever was decided upon was done with a lot of thought, consideration, and collaboration.
Ever the optimist, I just think one day soon, we'll get some kick ass updates.
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I gave SC2 a pretty good go for a while but I never totally got into it. The last year or so has been an occasional few games and maybe catching a notable matchup or two during a weekend tournament. The only thing I really find interesting is the fact that some foreigners are able to take sets off of top Koreans. The games themselves usually bore me though.
I've since gone back to watching BW (not playing though mind you, I've been spoiled by SC2 mechanics1). Maybe it's a nostalgia thing, but I honestly believe that BW still blows SC2 out of the water. I like to hope that Blizzard will make some magical (a la BW) adjustments with their expansions but that's just wishful thinking as I think there are fundamental flaws with the game. It's not necessarily a bad game and I wish I could pinpoint it to a few specific things but I don't think I can. I haven't woken up early to watch GOM since 2010 probably but I've done it for several BW matches this year. I'd also like to hope that Blizzard will finally bring B.Net 2.0 up to par (at least to WC3 standards) but it doesn't seem like that is a priority at all.
For now, I'm 99% sure I won't be buying HotS (and I've never cared much for Diablo either). The alternative for me is DotA2 now. It is a much better experience than SC2 even though it's still in beta. I think anyone defending Blizzard now is a little on the naive side.
Maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised but I'm not holding my breath.
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