EPTArgue over the internet you call out, I'd say actually discuss. But this either shows that you are not well-informed or very immature. Anyways gL
Also "getting in shape starting now, for the summer" is as someone mentioned fast-food-mentality.Getting in shape again - Page 2
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
Argue over the internet you call out, I'd say actually discuss. But this either shows that you are not well-informed or very immature. Anyways gL Also "getting in shape starting now, for the summer" is as someone mentioned fast-food-mentality. | ||
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JustPassingBy
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On March 27 2012 01:50 FreezingAssassin wrote: I now realize that a lot of getting in shape/working out/enjoying your look, all comes with diet. I used to think it was just the workout but man I was wrong. And to me dieting is one of the hardest things to do especially since I work in a restaurant. -_- It all sounds good but one workout I could suggest since its a pretty all in one is the bear. Or at least my buddy called it that. Grab barbell with some weight, not too much probably half of body weight to just start off with. Deadlift it, then do a military press all the up, then bring it back down and rest on your shoulders followed by squating it 10 times. And these squats you go all the way down where you butt nearly hits the floor, Then you military press it again and bring it back down in front of you and finish the deadlift. I do 1 workout whenever I find myself to have a spare day and it is usually this. about 10 sets of this and I reeaaaly feel it. Like today -_-. But GL to you! Ouch, feeling your pain about dieting. The only way how I can stand my diet is because, food-wise, I never have anything else besides what I need for me diet at home. Maybe I should work out a bit more, but I don't want to waste money on a gym (yeah, gym is a waste of money for me). Guess I'll need to replace the weight exercises with other suitable exercises (different types of push-ups, pull-ups). | ||
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xenobarf
Sweden47 Posts
On March 27 2012 02:07 Type|NarutO wrote: I don't think you have spend a single minute reading into it... in addition to that I might add, that most trainers in the gym have less knowledge about that than people that actually are interested in diet/workouts. I hear that man, even though this is reaching into tinfoil hat area, most PTs give their clients stupid gym workouts and or diets simply so they can keep their clients around. This rings especially true with crap like Planet Fitness and their pizza mondays and free tootsie rolls. Ouch, feeling your pain about dieting. The only way how I can stand my diet is because, food-wise, I never have anything else besides what I need for me diet at home. Maybe I should work out a bit more, but I don't want to waste money on a gym (yeah, gym is a waste of money for me). Guess I'll need to replace the weight exercises with other suitable exercises (different types of push-ups, pull-ups). Even though you will never actually gain any kind of real mass from bodyweight stuff, pullups is one of those excersises I love, its tough, can be done just about anywhere and will make you strong, even from just bodyweight. Look up some Calisthenics program. Theres that convict conditioning, aswell as uh, naked warrior? I forget, just google them. | ||
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amazingxkcd
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MaddogStarCraft
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
On March 27 2012 02:44 MaddogStarCraft wrote: I question why you choose to focus on lifting as opposed to cardio? I hate running. I want to gain strength. Lifting and cardio both lead to losing bodyfat while Lifting / workouts will also help you build up muscles or keep them with a good diet, while cardio really isn't as effective. Cardio might be better in comparison for just losing fat, but gaining strength is important to me. | ||
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xenobarf
Sweden47 Posts
On March 27 2012 02:44 MaddogStarCraft wrote: I question why you choose to focus on lifting as opposed to cardio? Maintaining lean mass while doing nothing but cardio vascular activity is hard. In general, unless you already have alot of muscle mass its a good idea to do some form of strength training while doing some form of cardio. If you have no muscle mass but alot of fat and decide to do nothing like cardio you will most likely end up at your ideal goalweight looking no better than before since muscle atrophy is the first thing that happens when doing cardio. Oh yeah, also Naruto, if you dont like long cardio sessions, try some HIIT. I dunno if you ever tried it, but 20 minutes of hard, puke worthy interval training beats doing 40-50 minute running sessions. | ||
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decafchicken
United States19927 Posts
On March 27 2012 02:54 xenobarf wrote: Maintaining lean mass while doing nothing but cardio vascular activity is hard. In general, unless you already have alot of muscle mass its a good idea to do some form of strength training while doing some form of cardio. If you have no muscle mass but alot of fat and decide to do nothing like cardio you will most likely end up at your ideal goalweight looking no better than before since muscle atrophy is the first thing that happens when doing cardio. Oh yeah, also Naruto, if you dont like long cardio sessions, try some HIIT. I dunno if you ever tried it, but 20 minutes of hard, puke worthy interval training beats doing 40-50 minute running sessions. agreed. You can also incorporate HIIT with weights. I've been doing ~7 sets of 3 reps of clean and jerk with out much rest and it leaves me sweating and breathing heavy | ||
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MaddogStarCraft
Canada64 Posts
On March 27 2012 02:54 xenobarf wrote: Maintaining lean mass while doing nothing but cardio vascular activity is hard. In general, unless you already have alot of muscle mass its a good idea to do some form of strength training while doing some form of cardio. If you have no muscle mass but alot of fat and decide to do nothing like cardio you will most likely end up at your ideal goalweight looking no better than before since muscle atrophy is the first thing that happens when doing cardio. Oh yeah, also Naruto, if you dont like long cardio sessions, try some HIIT. I dunno if you ever tried it, but 20 minutes of hard, puke worthy interval training beats doing 40-50 minute running sessions. Ahh... I find a focus on Cardio while lifting 1-2 a week is best. You look defined (not huge) while being in amazing shape and able to actually preform (sports etc...) better than someone who just lifts or just does cardio. | ||
Daigomi
South Africa4316 Posts
On March 27 2012 01:41 decafchicken wrote: SL is almost identical, just with 5x5 instead of 3x5 and some other small things. I think some people start off with SL 5x5 then go to SS once they cant get 5 full sets up any more That's exactly what I did. Started off on SL before moving on to SS when the 5x5 became a bit too much. Both programs are good, but I think SS is a bit more sustainable than SL. I'd only really suggest SL for people who are new and need to do more sets to get comfortable with the technique. Since you've already done it before, is there any reason you chose SL over SS now? Also, just out of interest, what were your PRs on before you stopped last time? Just to add, you can definitely gain muscle while losing fat, and you can do it relatively well. If you just eat at maintenance you will gain muscle while losing fat. What is much harder is gaining muscle while losing weight since you have to eat below maintenance to do that. I've been on a cut for the last 7 or 8 weeks, and I've made progress in some exercises but not in others. Losing weight allowed my chin-ups and pull-ups to go up massively, so I've gone from being able to do 5-3-2 to 8-6-5 (or 5-5-5 with 3.5kg weighted). Shoulder press has also improved slightly (52kg to 57kg) and squats have improved significantly (110kg to 120kg). That said, bench hasn't improved at all and neither has deadlifts  | ||
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Megaliskuu
United States5123 Posts
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
On March 27 2012 03:16 Daigomi wrote: That's exactly what I did. Started off on SL before moving on to SS when the 5x5 became a bit too much. Both programs are good, but I think SS is a bit more sustainable than SL. I'd only really suggest SL for people who are new and need to do more sets to get comfortable with the technique. Since you've already done it before, is there any reason you chose SL over SS now? Also, just out of interest, what were your PRs on before you stopped last time? Just to add, you can definitely gain muscle while losing fat, and you can do it relatively well. If you just eat at maintenance you will gain muscle while losing fat. What is much harder is gaining muscle while losing weight since you have to eat below maintenance to do that. I've been on a cut for the last 7 or 8 weeks, and I've made progress in some exercises but not in others. Losing weight allowed my chin-ups and pull-ups to go up massively, so I've gone from being able to do 5-3-2 to 8-6-5 (or 5-5-5 with 3.5kg weighted). Shoulder press has also improved slightly (52kg to 57kg) and squats have improved significantly (110kg to 120kg). That said, bench hasn't improved at all and neither has deadlifts I didn't know SS, other than that I will still stick to SL, because as you said, I am not new to everything, yet deadlifting for example needs very good technique to not hurt your body. Thats why more reps with lesser weigth will be the start for me. I will also ask a friend to watch me, to do it cleanly. Benchpress was 62,5kg when I quit, I remember because thats still on the bench, but other than that... I would have to check my documents, haha. Anyways, I will write down my progress after 1 month I think. Thanks for everything to everyone that wanted to help. @ the guys suggesting HIIT, I will have a look into it, interval training seems a good way to be completely fucked after the training, I love that feeling. | ||
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Daigomi
South Africa4316 Posts
On March 27 2012 03:32 Type|NarutO wrote: I didn't know SS, other than that I will still stick to SL, because as you said, I am not new to everything, yet deadlifting for example needs very good technique to not hurt your body. Thats why more reps with lesser weigth will be the start for me. I will also ask a friend to watch me, to do it cleanly. Benchpress was 62,5kg when I quit, I remember because thats still on the bench, but other than that... I would have to check my documents, haha. Anyways, I will write down my progress after 1 month I think. Thanks for everything to everyone that wanted to help. @ the guys suggesting HIIT, I will have a look into it, interval training seems a good way to be completely fucked after the training, I love that feeling. Since you seem to record all your exercises, have you considered joining Fitocracy? It's basically a fitness tracking website that gamifies exercise, so you get points and levels based on the efficacy and intensity of your workout, and there are quests to complete and achievements to earn. When I joined it I was most interested in the quests and game elements, but recently it's become more useful as just a place to consistently log my workouts and track what my friends are doing. The TL group on fitocracy is pretty big, so it's nice to see what lots of the people you know online are doing. Anyway, it might be something useful if you're starting up again. Let me know if you need an invite This is a graph of my squatting since I joined Fitocracy (bar width shows the number of reps). I've set the graph so that only the heaviest set per session is shown (otherwise it gets a bit messy with warmups etc.): ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/lSD9t.png) It's really a useful site for tracking your own progress :p | ||
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xenobarf
Sweden47 Posts
Doing different kind of splits has been fun over the years but I always come back to SS, if only I was young again and could have those newb gains from my first year of doing SS | ||
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DreamChaser
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On March 27 2012 02:07 Type|NarutO wrote: I don't think you have spend a single minute reading into it... in addition to that I might add, that most trainers in the gym have less knowledge about that than people that actually are interested in diet/workouts. More than a trainer you need a friend to keep you motivated, or at least thats what me and my friend do or we would never go the gym haha. Good luck getting in shape, i too must start the long journey to the beach body. | ||
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xenobarf
Sweden47 Posts
On March 27 2012 03:57 DreamChaser wrote: More than a trainer you need a friend to keep you motivated, or at least thats what me and my friend do or we would never go the gym haha. Good luck getting in shape, i too must start the long journey to the beach body. Even though, I'm sure we all strive for the beach body every summer, its kind of silly when you think about it. We should all put forward long term goals that go beyond that beach body, this way we dont have to restart our training regimen at a certain part each year. Not only that but think of the healthbenefits if the next 5 years your goal is to get to an ideal weight and maintain it. Too often do we meet our ideal weight only to squander it away by going back to old bad habits of poor diet and no excersise. That was not directed towards you Dreamchaser, just me thinking about the beach body and goals. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
I'm a pretty thin guy (like 140 lbs, maybe around 5'10, so 178 cm and 63kg?), and I have difficulty gaining weight (either as fat or muscle). I also kind of suck at lifting weights and "working out" as it seems kind boring to me. But I can still do like 10 pull ups in a row (because I weigh so little, haha), so I can keep pretending that I'm in shape. My stamina is complete shit now though, but as long as I don't have to run a 5k tomorrow, I'll live.  There's a pretty cool app for running-- basically, it simulated a zombie survival RPG while you run. I'm kind of looking forward to trying it, though 8 bucks is kind of pricey. http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/zombies-run!/id503519713?mt=8 | ||
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hunts
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xenobarf
Sweden47 Posts
On March 27 2012 11:51 hunts wrote: Just a small suggestion. You might want to add curls to your work out to work the biceps. Also might be good to split bennch press into 2 exercises, either wide grip and close grip, or maybe wide grip and skullcrushers, so that you get more individual work for chest and triceps. I dont think doing isolated things already is relevant. Its better to get back whatever mass and strength by doing compound lifts. SL/SS works much better for this. | ||
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