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On March 27 2012 17:45 xenobarf wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 11:51 hunts wrote:
Just a small suggestion. You might want to add curls to your work out to work the biceps. Also might be good to split bennch press into 2 exercises, either wide grip and close grip, or maybe wide grip and skullcrushers, so that you get more individual work for chest and triceps. I dont think doing isolated things already is relevant. Its better to get back whatever mass and strength by doing compound lifts. SL/SS works much better for this.
Its actually just a waste of time. In terms of liking it? Yes - absolute great to do curls, no matter if you do hammer curls, scott curls or any other type of them, but the results are just less good. Gaining overall body strength never comes from iso-type workouts even if you try to adress all the single muscles.
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On March 27 2012 22:42 Type|NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 17:45 xenobarf wrote:On March 27 2012 11:51 hunts wrote:
Just a small suggestion. You might want to add curls to your work out to work the biceps. Also might be good to split bennch press into 2 exercises, either wide grip and close grip, or maybe wide grip and skullcrushers, so that you get more individual work for chest and triceps. I dont think doing isolated things already is relevant. Its better to get back whatever mass and strength by doing compound lifts. SL/SS works much better for this. Its actually just a waste of time. In terms of liking it? Yes - absolute great to do curls, no matter if you do hammer curls, scott curls or any other type of them, but the results are just less good. Gaining overall body strength never comes from iso-type workouts even if you try to adress all the single muscles.
Well, at some point compound lifts can only do so much, suplementing certain isolation excersises to help out while plateuing can be effective.
I remember I got into an argument over whether curls is good for anything other than to impress shallow bitches with a guy awhile ago. Naturally I was pretty biased but I can see it has some relevance to specific things, doing curls as a supplement if you do Judo for example it might gain you some benefit.
But yeah, I'm of the idea that curls are generally pretty useless overall and so is any kind of change in whichever grip you use while benching (wide grip is how I roll all day errday). Unless you intend on going beyond what SS can do for you (getting say a 300lbs squat on SS isnt even that hard) then its pretty useless.
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Biggest problem for me never was the training to begin with anyways. If I feel good after my SL set, I will go ahead and do whatever workout addition I like. Be it lat-pulls, pull-ups, curls, push ups... or go running. Its really irrelevant to me. Whats really hard for me is to get regular meals and even 3-5 at that.
I have shifts at work, so.. its just not easy to have those meals, because I don't want to get up early for a 2PM - 10PM shift to prepare two meals for the shift and I usually end up taking either nothing with me or just very small things. When I get home I'm usually not tired but hungry, but eating tuna etc in the evening isn't very satisfying if you had no warm meal ofter the day.
When I have day-shifts I can just eat 2 slices of bread in the morning, lunch when I get home at 4PM... and I can still eat two small things in the evening.
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Did you consider Leangains? I haven't tried it yet because I am still trying to just gain, but if I wanted to get lean while gaining strength I would definitely give it a try.
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On March 27 2012 22:42 Type|NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 17:45 xenobarf wrote:On March 27 2012 11:51 hunts wrote:
Just a small suggestion. You might want to add curls to your work out to work the biceps. Also might be good to split bennch press into 2 exercises, either wide grip and close grip, or maybe wide grip and skullcrushers, so that you get more individual work for chest and triceps. I dont think doing isolated things already is relevant. Its better to get back whatever mass and strength by doing compound lifts. SL/SS works much better for this. Its actually just a waste of time. In terms of liking it? Yes - absolute great to do curls, no matter if you do hammer curls, scott curls or any other type of them, but the results are just less good. Gaining overall body strength never comes from iso-type workouts even if you try to adress all the single muscles.
That is true, But your biceps are still a pretty big group of muscles, so I feel like completely skipping over them isn't a very good idea.
BTW I do the 5x5 ruitine too, though a different version of it. The one I've been doing that was outlined by a pro bodybuilder on forums I go to once in a while is basically a 5x5 compound lift for each main body part (for me its curls, wide bench, close bench, squat, deadlift, military press) and then you supplement those with 2 more lifts per body part at 2x8-10 so with that I've been doing a 3 day split of 2 body parts per day. Seems to have been working pretty well, I started doing it as my first work out though and used to be skinny as a twig so could just be that it's easier to see results at first when going from nothing to something.
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On March 28 2012 00:47 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 22:42 Type|NarutO wrote:On March 27 2012 17:45 xenobarf wrote:On March 27 2012 11:51 hunts wrote:
Just a small suggestion. You might want to add curls to your work out to work the biceps. Also might be good to split bennch press into 2 exercises, either wide grip and close grip, or maybe wide grip and skullcrushers, so that you get more individual work for chest and triceps. I dont think doing isolated things already is relevant. Its better to get back whatever mass and strength by doing compound lifts. SL/SS works much better for this. Its actually just a waste of time. In terms of liking it? Yes - absolute great to do curls, no matter if you do hammer curls, scott curls or any other type of them, but the results are just less good. Gaining overall body strength never comes from iso-type workouts even if you try to adress all the single muscles. That is true, But your biceps are still a pretty big group of muscles, so I feel like completely skipping over them isn't a very good idea. BTW I do the 5x5 ruitine too, though a different version of it. The one I've been doing that was outlined by a pro bodybuilder on forums I go to once in a while is basically a 5x5 compound lift for each main body part (for me its curls, wide bench, close bench, squat, deadlift, military press) and then you supplement those with 2 more lifts per body part at 2x8-10 so with that I've been doing a 3 day split of 2 body parts per day. Seems to have been working pretty well, I started doing it as my first work out though and used to be skinny as a twig so could just be that it's easier to see results at first when going from nothing to something.
Biceps is part of the small muscles... and I don't skip them completely, I do not train them with iso-exercise that only helps to build up biceps. Every part of my workout will need your whole body to help, even so its MAINLY focused on other muscle groups.
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On March 28 2012 00:47 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 22:42 Type|NarutO wrote:On March 27 2012 17:45 xenobarf wrote:On March 27 2012 11:51 hunts wrote:
Just a small suggestion. You might want to add curls to your work out to work the biceps. Also might be good to split bennch press into 2 exercises, either wide grip and close grip, or maybe wide grip and skullcrushers, so that you get more individual work for chest and triceps. I dont think doing isolated things already is relevant. Its better to get back whatever mass and strength by doing compound lifts. SL/SS works much better for this. Its actually just a waste of time. In terms of liking it? Yes - absolute great to do curls, no matter if you do hammer curls, scott curls or any other type of them, but the results are just less good. Gaining overall body strength never comes from iso-type workouts even if you try to adress all the single muscles. That is true, But your biceps are still a pretty big group of muscles, so I feel like completely skipping over them isn't a very good idea.
For someone like myself who think working your bicep out directly (with iso excersises) is a pretty stupid thing, I'd love if you could enlighten me on why skipping any form of curls would be a bad idea.
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On March 28 2012 00:47 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 22:42 Type|NarutO wrote:On March 27 2012 17:45 xenobarf wrote:On March 27 2012 11:51 hunts wrote:
Just a small suggestion. You might want to add curls to your work out to work the biceps. Also might be good to split bennch press into 2 exercises, either wide grip and close grip, or maybe wide grip and skullcrushers, so that you get more individual work for chest and triceps. I dont think doing isolated things already is relevant. Its better to get back whatever mass and strength by doing compound lifts. SL/SS works much better for this. Its actually just a waste of time. In terms of liking it? Yes - absolute great to do curls, no matter if you do hammer curls, scott curls or any other type of them, but the results are just less good. Gaining overall body strength never comes from iso-type workouts even if you try to adress all the single muscles. That is true, But your biceps are still a pretty big group of muscles, so I feel like completely skipping over them isn't a very good idea. BTW I do the 5x5 ruitine too, though a different version of it. The one I've been doing that was outlined by a pro bodybuilder on forums I go to once in a while is basically a 5x5 compound lift for each main body part (for me its curls, wide bench, close bench, squat, deadlift, military press) and then you supplement those with 2 more lifts per body part at 2x8-10 so with that I've been doing a 3 day split of 2 body parts per day. Seems to have been working pretty well, I started doing it as my first work out though and used to be skinny as a twig so could just be that it's easier to see results at first when going from nothing to something.
You are not a pro bodybuilder. You do not need a pro bodybuilders workout. Isolating any body part is fairly useless until you have reached respectable strength levels and are striving for bodybuilder aesthetics.
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