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Here are some tiny things that I've found to have a HUGE effect on my mental state.
1) Exercise. Number 1 by far. I feel like a completely different person when I'm following a schedule of regular intense exercise. As Day9 Tweeted, "Life feels threatening and lonely. Hope seems lost. And then you go running. And then you feel amazing! Human bodies are so stupid lol."
2) Sleep quality and schedule. The difference between 6 crappy hours of light sleep vs 7 hours of deep sleep is huge. If you're staying up into the wee hours of the night, try getting back onto more normal hours that align the daylight cycle. Don't use a computer immediately before sleep, and use flux on your computer to minimize the effects from early in the day. When you get up in the morning, spend >20 minutes outside in view of the sun. Your body has a lot of sensors that tell it what time it just feel awake, you need to make sure the modern lifestyle doesn't mess with them too much. You can also get a lamp that mimics sunlight if you live in the deep dark north.
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On March 24 2012 03:46 phosphorylation wrote:
Thanks all for your feedback. Inori: I have had these issues since I was younger but it really got worse as stress mounted and things went wrong.
I don't think ADHD is something that you either have or don't: there's a spectrum of how afflicted you are. I may be in the lower end of the spectrum.
Wikipedia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adult_attention-deficit_disorder#ClassificationThe DSM-IV, or Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, 2000 edition, defines three types of ADHD: 1) An inattentive type 2) A hyperactive/impulsive type 3) A combined type To meet the formal diagnostic criteria of ADHD, an individual must display: at least six inattentive-type symptoms for the inattentive-type at least six hyperactive-type symptoms for the hyperactive/impulsive type all of the above to have the combined-type
Nothing about a spectrum in there. This is why your self-diagnoses is bullshit, you don't even know what you are talking about. Go to a psychiatrist.
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I got that sh1t, welcome to hell :D - The doctor told me, im not selfdiagnose or anything like this ...
I try medicine for while, but it did not work out like i was thinking, just the medicine WONT do MIRACLES, you need to make ocupation therapy and bunch of other sh1t, i got tired of it and gave up, because really, i live all my life like that and im still ok, i think i ll try again after this semester, cos it can interfer with jobs/study but NOW im ok, but sometimes i just wish i was normal ... QQ.
And dont forget about forgeting all the sh1t you got, in everywhere. and take the wrong bus ... and bla bla ... LOL im dumb :x
PS: I have it since i was a kid, so ... not really on topic anyway ...
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On March 24 2012 09:00 deafhobbit wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 03:46 phosphorylation wrote:
Thanks all for your feedback. Inori: I have had these issues since I was younger but it really got worse as stress mounted and things went wrong.
I don't think ADHD is something that you either have or don't: there's a spectrum of how afflicted you are. I may be in the lower end of the spectrum. Show nested quote +Wikipedia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adult_attention-deficit_disorder#ClassificationThe DSM-IV, or Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, 2000 edition, defines three types of ADHD: 1) An inattentive type 2) A hyperactive/impulsive type 3) A combined type To meet the formal diagnostic criteria of ADHD, an individual must display: at least six inattentive-type symptoms for the inattentive-type at least six hyperactive-type symptoms for the hyperactive/impulsive type all of the above to have the combined-type Nothing about a spectrum in there. This is why your self-diagnoses is bullshit, you don't even know what you are talking about. Go to a psychiatrist.
Chill the hell out. Notice how in the excerpt you provided, it says "formal diagnostic criteria."
If you still don't understand how there can be a spectrum of affliction ( coeexisiting with formal definition of ADHD) , then I am really not going to bother talking with you.
To everyonee else: I really appreciate the feedback. I will probably go see a doctor. I am already exercising fairly often but I can definitely work on regularity of exercise and sleep.
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On March 24 2012 12:02 phosphorylation wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 09:00 deafhobbit wrote:On March 24 2012 03:46 phosphorylation wrote:
Thanks all for your feedback. Inori: I have had these issues since I was younger but it really got worse as stress mounted and things went wrong.
I don't think ADHD is something that you either have or don't: there's a spectrum of how afflicted you are. I may be in the lower end of the spectrum. Wikipedia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adult_attention-deficit_disorder#ClassificationThe DSM-IV, or Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, 2000 edition, defines three types of ADHD: 1) An inattentive type 2) A hyperactive/impulsive type 3) A combined type To meet the formal diagnostic criteria of ADHD, an individual must display: at least six inattentive-type symptoms for the inattentive-type at least six hyperactive-type symptoms for the hyperactive/impulsive type all of the above to have the combined-type Nothing about a spectrum in there. This is why your self-diagnoses is bullshit, you don't even know what you are talking about. Go to a psychiatrist. Chill the hell out. Notice how in the excerpt you provided, it says " formal diagnostic criteria." If you still don't understand how there can be a spectrum of affliction ( coeexisiting with formal definition of ADHD) , then I am really not going to bother talking with you. To everyonee else: I really appreciate the feedback. I will probably go see a doctor. I am already exercising fairly often but I can definitely work on regularity of exercise and sleep.
You say you don't think ADHD is "something that you either have or don't."
I provide a quote citing the clinical definition of ADHD, which says that while the exact symptoms may vary, ADHD is in fact something you either have or don't. That comes from the DSM IV by the way, which is the document which formally defines for the medical profession the symptoms of mental illnesses. It don't get more official than that.
"Spectrum" in mental health is most commonly associated with the phrase "Autism Spectrum" which includes a wide range of distinct but related conditions. Compare to the definition of ADHD, which is a single mental illness defined relatively precisely, at least compared to other mental illnesses. Thus, within the context, your use of the word "spectrum" was flawed. I pointed this out to provide further evidence of how ill equipped you are to make this diagnoses yourself, which you demonstrated even further in this latest post by not even knowing what the DSM IV is.
Glad you're actually going to see a doctor though.
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On March 24 2012 15:14 deafhobbit wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 12:02 phosphorylation wrote:On March 24 2012 09:00 deafhobbit wrote:On March 24 2012 03:46 phosphorylation wrote:
Thanks all for your feedback. Inori: I have had these issues since I was younger but it really got worse as stress mounted and things went wrong.
I don't think ADHD is something that you either have or don't: there's a spectrum of how afflicted you are. I may be in the lower end of the spectrum. Wikipedia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adult_attention-deficit_disorder#ClassificationThe DSM-IV, or Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, 2000 edition, defines three types of ADHD: 1) An inattentive type 2) A hyperactive/impulsive type 3) A combined type To meet the formal diagnostic criteria of ADHD, an individual must display: at least six inattentive-type symptoms for the inattentive-type at least six hyperactive-type symptoms for the hyperactive/impulsive type all of the above to have the combined-type Nothing about a spectrum in there. This is why your self-diagnoses is bullshit, you don't even know what you are talking about. Go to a psychiatrist. Chill the hell out. Notice how in the excerpt you provided, it says " formal diagnostic criteria." If you still don't understand how there can be a spectrum of affliction ( coeexisiting with formal definition of ADHD) , then I am really not going to bother talking with you. To everyonee else: I really appreciate the feedback. I will probably go see a doctor. I am already exercising fairly often but I can definitely work on regularity of exercise and sleep. You say you don't think ADHD is "something that you either have or don't." I provide a quote citing the clinical definition of ADHD, which says that while the exact symptoms may vary, ADHD is in fact something you either have or don't. That comes from the DSM IV by the way, which is the document which formally defines for the medical profession the symptoms of mental illnesses. It don't get more official than that. "Spectrum" in mental health is most commonly associated with the phrase "Autism Spectrum" which includes a wide range of distinct but related conditions. Compare to the definition of ADHD, which is a single mental illness defined relatively precisely, at least compared to other mental illnesses. Thus, within the context, your use of the word "spectrum" was flawed. I pointed this out to provide further evidence of how ill equipped you are to make this diagnoses yourself, which you demonstrated even further in this latest post by not even knowing what the DSM IV is. Glad you're actually going to see a doctor though.
So much unnecessary elitism and douchebaggery in a post. You are essentially arguing semantics here; but I fear you will miss the point yet again. Not sure what you are trying to achieve here except to make yourself look erudite.
I don't think you will be saying such things if you knew my background.
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These are all very normal things to experience after todays lifestyle. If you put sugar/artificial and unhealthy stuff in your body while doing hyperactive things like playing StarCraft, surfing the web with 34432524 impressions in a minute etc, it's not strange that you feel like this.
Many/most people aren't used to sitting still and reading books these days, so it's not strange that we find it hard when we try.
Try exercising and eating healthy food without too much sugar/sources with way too high energy per gram, and practice completing stuff etc, that you now have problems with, and you will probably be fine 
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On March 24 2012 16:17 phosphorylation wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 15:14 deafhobbit wrote:On March 24 2012 12:02 phosphorylation wrote:On March 24 2012 09:00 deafhobbit wrote:On March 24 2012 03:46 phosphorylation wrote:
Thanks all for your feedback. Inori: I have had these issues since I was younger but it really got worse as stress mounted and things went wrong.
I don't think ADHD is something that you either have or don't: there's a spectrum of how afflicted you are. I may be in the lower end of the spectrum. Wikipedia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adult_attention-deficit_disorder#ClassificationThe DSM-IV, or Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, 2000 edition, defines three types of ADHD: 1) An inattentive type 2) A hyperactive/impulsive type 3) A combined type To meet the formal diagnostic criteria of ADHD, an individual must display: at least six inattentive-type symptoms for the inattentive-type at least six hyperactive-type symptoms for the hyperactive/impulsive type all of the above to have the combined-type Nothing about a spectrum in there. This is why your self-diagnoses is bullshit, you don't even know what you are talking about. Go to a psychiatrist. Chill the hell out. Notice how in the excerpt you provided, it says " formal diagnostic criteria." If you still don't understand how there can be a spectrum of affliction ( coeexisiting with formal definition of ADHD) , then I am really not going to bother talking with you. To everyonee else: I really appreciate the feedback. I will probably go see a doctor. I am already exercising fairly often but I can definitely work on regularity of exercise and sleep. You say you don't think ADHD is "something that you either have or don't." I provide a quote citing the clinical definition of ADHD, which says that while the exact symptoms may vary, ADHD is in fact something you either have or don't. That comes from the DSM IV by the way, which is the document which formally defines for the medical profession the symptoms of mental illnesses. It don't get more official than that. "Spectrum" in mental health is most commonly associated with the phrase "Autism Spectrum" which includes a wide range of distinct but related conditions. Compare to the definition of ADHD, which is a single mental illness defined relatively precisely, at least compared to other mental illnesses. Thus, within the context, your use of the word "spectrum" was flawed. I pointed this out to provide further evidence of how ill equipped you are to make this diagnoses yourself, which you demonstrated even further in this latest post by not even knowing what the DSM IV is. Glad you're actually going to see a doctor though. So much unnecessary elitism and douchebaggery in a post. You are essentially arguing semantics here; but I fear you will miss the point yet again. Not sure what you are trying to achieve here except to make yourself look erudite. I don't think you will be saying such things if you knew my background.
There's no such thing as arguing semantics when it comes to the definition of a mental illnesses.
Moreover, i don't understand how you can even claim this is an argument about semantics. You say ADHD isn't "something that you either have or don't," and i use the definition of ADHD as a counterargument. That's pretty cut and dried.
Finally, your background doesn't matter. Self-diagnoses of mental illness is always bullshit, not even mental health professionals do it.
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You cannot self-diagnose a mental illness.
Simple as that, you cannot, it is silly to even think that doing so is at all reasonable.
ADHD needs to be diagnosed by a psychiatrist, and even then the diagnosis may be incorrect.
For me I waited until I was diagnosed by over 4 psychiatrists, after that I accepted that I do have ADHD.
ADHD is very touchy as it can be hard to tell if the person is just lazy and has a lack of work ethic, or if they actually have a neurological problem stopping them from developing a work ethic that is reasonable.
If you truly think you have it find out a place to get screened near you. Be aware it can be expensive, around $1500-1800 where I live. Luckily I was diagnosed first in a hospital by two psychiatrists and then through several out-patient programs the diagnosis has been agreed upon.
Source: Diagnosed with ADHD by over 7 psychiatrists.
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On March 24 2012 04:47 Masq wrote:
I worked at an ADHD clinic and one of the criteria for diagnosis is an early (childhood) onset of symptoms. You could find a specialist or a psychologist relatively easy, just ask your family doctor for a referral.
i tried to talk to a doctor about adhd and she said shes never heard of an adult being diagnosed before so fuck off basically (UK)
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On March 23 2012 14:51 phosphorylation wrote:
On the other hand, it also seems soemwhat possible that many of these descriptors depict most young, "geeky" males. Still, the symptoms are very real and I would like to find a way better to cope with them -- preferably without resorting to pharmaceutical solutions.
As an MD, my advice is:
TL is NOT your doctor. You must make an appointment with your physician, man. ADHD is a crippling disease, I know it not only because of my work, but because I have it and have coped with it for over 20 years. NOTHING replaces medication on this, so please go to your doctor and have this checked.
On March 24 2012 20:20 MaddogStarCraft wrote:
You cannot self-diagnose a mental illness.
Simple as that, you cannot, it is silly to even think that doing so is at all reasonable.
ADHD needs to be diagnosed by a psychiatrist, and even then the diagnosis may be incorrect
Right, right and wrong.
ADHD doesn't need to be diagnosed by a psychiatrist necessarily. I'd go to a neurologist fist since they tend to be more trained regarding the disease than psychiatrists and it isn't a mental disease, it's a neurological abnormality within the brain cortex and the communication pathways of the limbic system; it is not conditional as depression or anxiety disorders, but a disease an individual is born/not born with.
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On March 24 2012 23:23 UmbraaeternuS wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 14:51 phosphorylation wrote:
On the other hand, it also seems soemwhat possible that many of these descriptors depict most young, "geeky" males. Still, the symptoms are very real and I would like to find a way better to cope with them -- preferably without resorting to pharmaceutical solutions.
As an MD, my advice is: TL is NOT your doctor. You must make an appointment with your physician, man. ADHD is a crippling disease, I know it not only because of my work, but because I have it and have coped with it for over 20 years. NOTHING replaces medication on this, so please go to your doctor and have this checked. Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 20:20 MaddogStarCraft wrote:
You cannot self-diagnose a mental illness.
Simple as that, you cannot, it is silly to even think that doing so is at all reasonable.
ADHD needs to be diagnosed by a psychiatrist, and even then the diagnosis may be incorrect
Right, right and wrong. ADHD doesn't need to be diagnosed by a psychiatrist necessarily. I'd go to a neurologist fist since they tend to be more trained regarding the disease than psychiatrists and it isn't a mental disease, it's a neurological abnormality within the brain cortex and the communication pathways of the limbic system; it is not conditional as depression or anxiety disorders, but a disease an individual is born/not born with.
True, although in my experience it's much easier to get an appointment with a psychiatrist as opposed to a neurologist. Good point although as a neurologist would be better equipped to give a diagnosis, although I still feel that a psychiatrist has a much wider scale of reading behaviour.
Also you are absolutely correct, nothing replaces medication, I can barely read without my Ritalin.
What meds are you on?
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On March 25 2012 04:43 MaddogStarCraft wrote:
Also you are absolutely correct, nothing replaces medication, I can barely read without my Ritalin.
What meds are you on?
Yep, nothing replaces medication; even though cognitive-conductual psychotherapy has shown some improvement in mild cases, meds have seem to be the only way to go.
I'm on Strattera, this thing has changed my life. When I was little I was on Cylert but after the FDA pulled it off the market because of the hepatitis issues, I went with Ritalin which didn't do me any good when I was on medschool.
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On March 25 2012 04:51 UmbraaeternuS wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2012 04:43 MaddogStarCraft wrote:
Also you are absolutely correct, nothing replaces medication, I can barely read without my Ritalin.
What meds are you on? Yep, nothing replaces medication; even though cognitive-conductual psychotherapy has shown some improvement in mild cases, meds have seem to be the only way to go. I'm on Strattera, this thing has changed my life. When I was little I was on Cylert but after the FDA pulled it off the market because of the hepatitis issues, I went with Ritalin which didn't do me any good when I was on medschool.
Ahh, I might get changed to Adderall.
Are you a GP? I'm looking to go into medicine myself, hopefully becoming a child and adolescent psychiatrist.
What school did you attend?
I find that generic Ritalin ER doesn't work well although brand Concerta works much better.
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On March 24 2012 12:02 phosphorylation wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 09:00 deafhobbit wrote:On March 24 2012 03:46 phosphorylation wrote:
Thanks all for your feedback. Inori: I have had these issues since I was younger but it really got worse as stress mounted and things went wrong.
I don't think ADHD is something that you either have or don't: there's a spectrum of how afflicted you are. I may be in the lower end of the spectrum. Wikipedia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adult_attention-deficit_disorder#ClassificationThe DSM-IV, or Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, 2000 edition, defines three types of ADHD: 1) An inattentive type 2) A hyperactive/impulsive type 3) A combined type To meet the formal diagnostic criteria of ADHD, an individual must display: at least six inattentive-type symptoms for the inattentive-type at least six hyperactive-type symptoms for the hyperactive/impulsive type all of the above to have the combined-type Nothing about a spectrum in there. This is why your self-diagnoses is bullshit, you don't even know what you are talking about. Go to a psychiatrist. Chill the hell out. Notice how in the excerpt you provided, it says " formal diagnostic criteria." If you still don't understand how there can be a spectrum of affliction ( coeexisiting with formal definition of ADHD) , then I am really not going to bother talking with you. To everyonee else: I really appreciate the feedback. I will probably go see a doctor. I am already exercising fairly often but I can definitely work on regularity of exercise and sleep.
The thing about sleep is really good advice. Make it a priority to get enough sleep every night and you will function much much better.
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i totally feel you here - i show adhd symptoms more than the average person does.
that said, the diagnosis for a mental disorder is given when you meet a certain number or combination of criteria in the dsm-iv (which is arbitrary and imperfect... but it's very difficult to standardize mental disorders). i work in a clinical psychology lab at school, and we are constantly reminded to be careful about making self-diagnoses. if you are truly concerned/affected enough by what you suspect is adhd, you should go see a psychologist or a psychiatrist as these people have practiced running diagnoses for a long time to get their qualifications.
On March 25 2012 06:34 ziggurat wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 12:02 phosphorylation wrote:On March 24 2012 09:00 deafhobbit wrote:On March 24 2012 03:46 phosphorylation wrote:
Thanks all for your feedback. Inori: I have had these issues since I was younger but it really got worse as stress mounted and things went wrong.
I don't think ADHD is something that you either have or don't: there's a spectrum of how afflicted you are. I may be in the lower end of the spectrum. Wikipedia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adult_attention-deficit_disorder#ClassificationThe DSM-IV, or Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, 2000 edition, defines three types of ADHD: 1) An inattentive type 2) A hyperactive/impulsive type 3) A combined type To meet the formal diagnostic criteria of ADHD, an individual must display: at least six inattentive-type symptoms for the inattentive-type at least six hyperactive-type symptoms for the hyperactive/impulsive type all of the above to have the combined-type Nothing about a spectrum in there. This is why your self-diagnoses is bullshit, you don't even know what you are talking about. Go to a psychiatrist. Chill the hell out. Notice how in the excerpt you provided, it says " formal diagnostic criteria." If you still don't understand how there can be a spectrum of affliction ( coeexisiting with formal definition of ADHD) , then I am really not going to bother talking with you. To everyonee else: I really appreciate the feedback. I will probably go see a doctor. I am already exercising fairly often but I can definitely work on regularity of exercise and sleep. The thing about sleep is really good advice. Make it a priority to get enough sleep every night and you will function much much better.
deafhobbit - just cuz you can pull something off wiki doesn't make you right. yes, it is true that the dsm-iv defines any given mental disorder on a either you have it or you don't basis. but the lack of dimensionality is one of the major weaknesses of this system that mental health professionals are concerned about, and is hopefully something that can be addressed in the next revision of the system. the dsm is not a perfect system and has undergone dramatic change for that reason... for example, homosexuality used to be counted as a mental disorder in older versions but got weeded out...
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work out and try hard
and then keep trying hard
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Some people here literally define stupidity.
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