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Would you settle for one that could?
Nah, working the land would work horrors on my back.
As for all these talks about how god isn't really an all powerfull deity, but a sort of abstract force, enjoy the discussion.
But please realise that the only reason you can even utter such thoughts is because secularists have secured that right for you. Don't even for a second believe that the church would not have you burn for such thoughts.
It also flies directly into the face of more or less all preachings that any of the abrahamic faiths have ever uttered. It is simply the by-product of this new form of christianity that is forming. The one where a ton of people haven't even read the bible, but still want to talk about it, and chime in on it. The result are a lot of theories which obviously are not cannon with theological doctrine.
In Islam there is even the thought called "occasionalism."
This belief makes the claim that literally everything in this world happens because god actively makes it happen. When I light a match, it does not burn as a result of the friction, the heat, the burnable material and the presence of air. It happens because god actively lighted it. If he ever decided to stop doing that, fire would not longer occur when striking a match.
Does that sound like a vague, new-age god? God is life?
God is a very real entity, human in form. We are shaped in HIS image. Last I checked, my form is human, not "nature."
So like I said, enjoy the discussion, made possible by secularism, but please realise that most of it is directly contradicting doctrine. Even deviating from the fact that god looks like us is obviously ignoring scripture.
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On February 20 2012 05:53 Mindcrime wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 19:10 Epoch wrote:
I'm of Atheist/Agnostic disposition and I don't really care for religion tho..
I watched "The Vice Guide to Liberia" recently, where a group of guys with camera go into Liberia and interview people. Check it out, etc.. The place is a complete war zone. People kill each other, eat each other, torture rape, do drugs all at a young age like you name it. It's f insane. The only people that had any like shelter or any kind of good goals were the religious people. And before I saw that I never thought religion would be good for anyone, but in the case of people living in Liberia, it's an improvement on their quality of life/behavior. Even if it's just a slight improvement.
So I guess in their case, it's good motivation? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_LiberiaLiberia isn't exactly the land of non-religion. :|
I'm a baptised roman catholic that doesn't practice religion at all. If someone wants they can throw me into a demongraphic and say that I'm a catholic but I'm really not. The reality of people actually practicing the religion in Liberia is obviously much smaller then the estimated 85 percent cited on that website. Most people have nothing to do with practicing it whether they call themselves a christian or catholic or whatever, or not. So, I'm only referring to the ones that are truly practicing it. Which are the only true ones.
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On February 20 2012 19:29 Epoch wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2012 05:53 Mindcrime wrote:On February 19 2012 19:10 Epoch wrote:
I'm of Atheist/Agnostic disposition and I don't really care for religion tho..
I watched "The Vice Guide to Liberia" recently, where a group of guys with camera go into Liberia and interview people. Check it out, etc.. The place is a complete war zone. People kill each other, eat each other, torture rape, do drugs all at a young age like you name it. It's f insane. The only people that had any like shelter or any kind of good goals were the religious people. And before I saw that I never thought religion would be good for anyone, but in the case of people living in Liberia, it's an improvement on their quality of life/behavior. Even if it's just a slight improvement.
So I guess in their case, it's good motivation? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_LiberiaLiberia isn't exactly the land of non-religion. :| I'm a baptised roman catholic that doesn't practice religion at all. If someone wants they can throw me into a demongraphic and say that I'm a catholic but I'm really not. The reality of people actually practicing the religion in Liberia is obviously much smaller then the estimated 85 percent cited on that website. Most people have nothing to do with practicing it whether they call themselves a christian or catholic or whatever, or not. So, I'm only referring to the ones that are truly practicing it. Which are the only true ones.
Define "truly" practicing it.
That is so abstract that you can add anyone you like into that category, whilst bouncing everyone you don't like from that category.
Christianity, more so than the other two, can't actually make this distinction. At the core of christianity is that you can be forgiven for almost every sin (the only sin you cannot be forgiven for is denouncing god, whether out loud or even in thought).
So why would a warlord not be a christian? Committing sins, regardless of how many or how gruesome, does not stop you from being a christian. In fact, it makes it all the more important that you be a christian, how else could you confess the sins away?
(Disregarding how immoral the concept is, that a 3rd party could forgive you for something you did to me.)
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Ok, guys I think it's time to stop this.
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On February 20 2012 17:39 zalz wrote: The one where a ton of people haven't even read the bible, but still want to talk about it, and chime in on it. The result are a lot of theories which obviously are not cannon with theological doctrine.
I've read the Bible. I've also read a number of the texts in the early Christian theological tradition, like Plotinus and Augustine. Have you read these? What was your point again?
also you spelled canon wrong, noob.
literally everything in this world happens because god actively makes it happen.
The dao is present in all things. Everything is one.
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