• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 16:40
CEST 22:40
KST 05:40
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Siren's Call8[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Summer's End9Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2915Serral wins Maestros of the Game 244ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3
Community News
New 3v3 BGH Ladder (and more) on ShieldBattery!33Weekly Cups (August 17-23): Zerg dominate the week6Weekly Cups (August 10-16): SHIN doubles2GSTL Returns in 2026!45Weekly Cups (Aug 3-9): Protoss get shut out7
StarCraft 2
General
How would you feel about frequent/monthly balance patches for SC2? Weekly Cups (August 17-23): Zerg dominate the week SC4ALL II: SC2 Player Announcement 6/8 - Maru Daily SC2 Player Grid - feedback wanted Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16)
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament 2026 GSTL Announcement IntoTheTV X SOOP SC2 League : Weekly & Monthly PIG STY FESTIVAL 8.0! (13 - 23 August) WORTEX 2026 - Hungarian SC2 Finals Budapest
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
Mutation # 540 Dodge This The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 539 Thunder Dome Mutation # 538 Media Blackout
Brood War
General
New 3v3 BGH Ladder (and more) on ShieldBattery! ASL22 General Discussion Pros React To: Calm's Big Brain Play Vs Mini [Personal Project Share] Terran Defense v0.60 !!!NEW BUG!!! FIRE ARCHONS [Visual]
Tourneys
[ASL22] Ro24 Group F BSL LAN Party - Kraków 29-30 August - OPEN SIGNUPS [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Escore Tournament - Season 3
Strategy
Replay Review Process - What do you do? Game Theory for Starcraft Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread Anyone here play Quakeworld back in the day? EVE Corporation
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish TSM pausing esports and CLG Dead
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank TL Mafia Community Thread NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine The Letting Off Steam Thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread
Fan Clubs
MarineLorD Fan Club The Creator Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023 NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Northern Ireland Global Starcraft
Blogs
Violent Games and Crime Rate…
TrAiDoS
LOCKPICKING NOOB
LUCKY_NOOB
Cathedral Of CS And NY pizza a…
FuDDx
Please support my new stand…
Peanutsc
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 10156 users

Multipronged Blog Attack! Meta development and GSL

Blogs > TG Manny
Post a Reply
TG Manny
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States325 Posts
February 02 2012 21:27 GMT
#1
Hey everyone! Thanks for stopping in on (what hopefully is) this beautiful day! As I have noted I'd like to address a few unrelated things somehow related to the SC world. First, I'd like to see the perspective of GSL season passes for entertainment. Second, there is a musing on current Terran meta development at the highest level of play.

GSL:

I'm looking into buying a season pass and I know it isn't much money for a single season but I cannot help but say "am I really going to be able to access the content well?" I'd like to see the perspective of those users who watch GSL regularly and their experiences with the system as it stands. Generally I am confused by it and never get to watch a game unless I'm up at 3AM to watch the free SQ stream.

I really want to start following my favorites more closely Especially since my bandwidth is cut now and streaming before midnight never loads, so I never see the likes of Polt, Kas, ESV TV, or any event well now.


Terran Metagame--Bio doing better across the board:

In the recent months players have been calling OP/UP on both sides of the TvP matchup and professional T players have moved away from the 111 allin tenancy in the MU so that they don't have to flip a coin (and also because protosses have figured out how to defend much better). In this time both sides of the MU have learned how to attack and defend much better, when it is safe to tech, expand, and when to scout for such timings. In the meantime Terrans figured out...."Hey!! Screw my factory units I am going bio+air support!"

By doing this the matchup has almost stagnated when it comes to ideal situations (3 base MMMVG vs 3 base Gateway, storm, chargelot archon, and collosus support). Obviously there is variation on how to obtain the ideal unit composition and deny your opponent theirs, but when both players approach max they have this type of unit composition.

Focus in on the Terran, what has he learned to do? Stutter step micro is almost more powerful than against Zerg, landing EMPs has come quicker and on more valuable targets, multipronged attacking (both drop+poke AND 200/200 army fights), sniping down straggling units, and overall requiring more knowledge of where the enemy army is. Obviously the macro and the micro have improved over the last several months across the entire SC2 range that actively plays, but what does this all mean in the other matchups?

More cost effective bio play.

TvT and TvZ "pure" mech are both becoming more rare, in my eyes, both on low level ladder (plat) and in high-level play (GSL) because of the effective skills in the TvP matchup. The thought processes don't disappear because there aren't big units that regen shields on the field. Terrans are becoming more harassment based than ever, taking advantage of their mobility and strength of their units in small portions. Obviously factory units are still in play and huge dynamics of the MU overall, but Terran is deciding Marine-Tank-Medivac is the ideal unit composition at this point in time.

I'm happy for this difficulty in the TvP matchup too, because it provides much more interesting play to watch and to do. 200/200 armying with mech is boring, and one lost fight probably will lose the game. Now ghosts are being used more than ever in TvZ and even in TvT. Tanks are used as a support to the bio compositions that wreak havoc on enemy bases so fast.

I'm sure this is a continually evolving dynamic of getting better over time, but I like to see an almost direct coorelation to a "meta MU" turning into a full metagame change for Terran players. I love to see this fuel more continual change until we see some crazy stagnation of the build against other meta-game plays soon to follow and maybe turn back to mech or even sky.

This was meant to just document my thoughts on the matter, and I hope you enjoyed them TY for reading

TL;DR:
Is GSL content easy to view with season pass?
I love that TvP forced players to get much better rather than patch an answer.

**
Singularity is at hand...
Soleron
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1324 Posts
February 02 2012 22:07 GMT
#2
Yes, VODs are uploaded within 1-2 hours after the stream finishes and are well organised and spoiler free.
ThatGuyDoMo
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia516 Posts
February 02 2012 22:11 GMT
#3
Yea i got the GSL lite ticket, Very good, seems to be worth it.

But I'm not sure if I shoulda got the GSTL :S

I watch GSTL more but the GSL vods are far more numerous / memorable.
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary26003 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-02 22:16:08
February 02 2012 22:15 GMT
#4
You used "meta" 6 times and I'm absolutely convinced you have zero meta understanding about what that meta means.
Moderator
Delwack
Profile Joined December 2011
123 Posts
February 02 2012 22:24 GMT
#5
Gom's VODs are quite nice.

For code S, all the days matches in a single post (named by group stage).

The video itself is divided into chapters, one for each game.

The video automatically starts at set 1 game one but chapter select always shows 15 games so it is always spoiler free. All of the pre-and post-game introductions and analysis from the live stream are included in the VoDs, so you aren't missing any pre or post-game analysis (or if you just want the games, you can obviously skip it and just navigate to the next video). Game 1 includes the player introduction graphics, and other misc stuff, so it tends to be a little longer, and you do have to seek a bit if you want to just get into the games. From the second game onward, the video starts just as the game starts. Do note that they do displaye how long each video is, so that can be a potential spoiler if you are familiar with the matchup, but it is easy to ignore it since that indiciator is small and out of the way (and doesn't show up at all if in full-screen mode).

The code A games were all posted as separate videos per set, but again is spoiler free with each VoD showing 3 games. I suspect they do this due to the 2-stream setup, although it loses some stream coherency.

You can always check out GomTV's VoDs yourself, since they show the first game of each VoD LQ free. It'll give you some familiarity with the interface. They are pretty good about posting them quickly, though there are sometimes hiccups and they themselves note that the VoDs are posted 8 hours after live (I assume this is 8 hours after the live ends), although they usually get it up much faster.
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
February 02 2012 22:25 GMT
#6
I HATE WHEN PEOPLE SAY METAGAME, it makes me want to punch babies in their faces... Sharing a pass with a friend.
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
cmen15
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1519 Posts
February 02 2012 22:31 GMT
#7
On February 03 2012 07:15 Chill wrote:
You used "meta" 6 times and I'm absolutely convinced you have zero meta understanding about what that meta means.

LOLOLOL YES!!!!!
Greed leads to just about all losses.
Azzur
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia6267 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-03 02:59:49
February 03 2012 02:58 GMT
#8
Haha, metagame elitists should get used to it - even though the word metagame is technically used incorrectly, words evolve and their meanings change. That's how the "metagame" evolves into a different metagame! hahahahaha
Azzur
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia6267 Posts
February 03 2012 03:01 GMT
#9
On February 03 2012 06:27 TG Manny wrote:
TL;DR:
Is GSL content easy to view with season pass?
I love that TvP forced players to get much better rather than patch an answer.

To answer your question - GSL content is not only easy to access, it can also be watched spoiler free.
nttea
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Sweden4353 Posts
February 03 2012 04:46 GMT
#10
On February 03 2012 11:58 Azzur wrote:
Haha, metagame elitists should get used to it - even though the word metagame is technically used incorrectly, words evolve and their meanings change. That's how the "metagame" evolves into a different metagame! hahahahaha

you don't have to be so smug about it "stupid troll"
cactusjack914
Profile Joined March 2011
United States183 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-03 15:11:36
February 03 2012 15:06 GMT
#11
wrong forum
"starcraft isn't a hobby, its a lifestyle."
cactusjack914
Profile Joined March 2011
United States183 Posts
February 03 2012 15:11 GMT
#12
Metagaming would be acquiring knowledge of a certain opponent ahead of time and using that knowledge to make a decision in game that may have not been made otherwise. I am 100% certain this is correct. Saying the current metagame of terran is X or saying that you metagame opponents you have never even played before doesn't make sense.
"starcraft isn't a hobby, its a lifestyle."
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-03 16:19:02
February 03 2012 16:17 GMT
#13
On February 03 2012 06:27 TG Manny wrote: direct coorelation to a "meta MU" turning into a full metagame change for Terran players

ROFL, I immediately though of Chill, and yes, he was the third reply! hahaha, epic. So damn meta.
On February 03 2012 11:58 Azzur wrote:
Haha, metagame elitists should get used to it - even though the word metagame is technically used incorrectly, words evolve and their meanings change. That's how the "metagame" evolves into a different metagame! hahahahaha

lol, brilliant. The metausage of the word metagame has been meta'd into something completely different.
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
BadBinky
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
Finland649 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-03 18:49:07
February 03 2012 18:48 GMT
#14
Metatrolling push time and time again.
It's more important to be tough than to have any fun.
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 3h 20m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
JuggernautJason79
EnDerr 7
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 15473
Dewaltoss 152
scan(afreeca) 37
NaDa 14
Sacsri 11
Dota 2
syndereN117
League of Legends
Doublelift4524
JimRising 251
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu374
Other Games
Grubby2758
fl0m2102
crisheroes513
FrodaN496
IndyStarCraft 149
KnowMe120
XaKoH 112
Chillindude52
Mew2King48
Trikslyr39
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1425
BasetradeTV58
angryscii25
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• printf 31
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota21697
• WagamamaTV955
Other Games
• Shiphtur217
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
3h 20m
WardiTV Weekly
14h 20m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 13h
Afreeca Starleague
1d 13h
Monday Night Weeklies
1d 19h
GSL
2 days
PiGosaur Cup
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
The PondCast
4 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
5 days
[ Show More ]
CranKy Ducklings
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-08-27
PiG Sty Festival 8.0
Light Tournament 2026

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
K-JUNGMAN
ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
CSL Season 22: Qualifier 2
BSL 2026 LAN: Kraków
RSL Revival: Season 6
Big Dog Cup 2026 Div 1
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
Esports World Cup 2026: LCQ
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026

Upcoming

CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Escore Tournament S3: King of Kings
Acropolis #5
Acropolis #5 - TRS
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Acropolis #5 - GSA
Acropolis #5 - GSB
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Calamity Invitational
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.