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On December 29 2011 15:15 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2011 12:54 Chef wrote:
I am not understanding why wanting to hire a driver for your daughter makes you stupid. You know people actually do that. Pay people to drive places. That's a real job. Transactions made on craigslist tend to be risky because you get scammed. Reminds me of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craigslist_Killer ... Sure it's a real job... not so much a craigslist job. If I had kids, I would look for reputable people... You'd be a horrible, dangerous parent x_x Show nested quote +On December 29 2011 13:42 Sky101 wrote:
This moron has too much time on his/her hand. He said somewhere the website + book sales earns him 5 figures. Not very moronic.
By your logic, the KKK isn't a bunch of idiots either, because they have plenty of members and money, right?
By moron, I don't mean stupidity in the purest sense. It was more like his actions were stupid.
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One of the worst and unfunny trolls I've ever read + obviously the subject didn't buy it at all. Not sure what that was all about.
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On December 30 2011 05:41 Sky101 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2011 15:15 Djzapz wrote:On December 29 2011 12:54 Chef wrote:
I am not understanding why wanting to hire a driver for your daughter makes you stupid. You know people actually do that. Pay people to drive places. That's a real job. Transactions made on craigslist tend to be risky because you get scammed. Reminds me of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craigslist_Killer ... Sure it's a real job... not so much a craigslist job. If I had kids, I would look for reputable people... You'd be a horrible, dangerous parent x_x On December 29 2011 13:42 Sky101 wrote:
This moron has too much time on his/her hand. He said somewhere the website + book sales earns him 5 figures. Not very moronic. By your logic, the KKK isn't a bunch of idiots either, because they have plenty of members and money, right? By moron, I don't mean stupidity in the purest sense. It was more like his actions were stupid.
Basically Reductio ad Hitlerum, not deserving of an answer, but I'll give you one anyway so you can get a bit of perspective.
Harmless actions that generate money are fine. By that "logic", Dane Cook is fine. Calling him a moron because you dislike his humor and his way to make money is jealousy or uptight'ness. I would do it for money though, and I don't think you could call me a moron.
Saying that my "logic" extends to disgusting organisations just shows what kind of person you are. You'll spew BS just to make a case.
But you're saying his actions were stupid... Generating 5 figures from goofing around online doesn't constitute a stupid action IMO. Maybe his craft is silly, but there's nothing stupid there. I'm pretty sure there are telephonists here who look at that and they think it's dumb, and then they go call people at 5:30PM while they're eating dinner to try to sell them overpriced trinkets. This guy's basically a Saint.
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On December 30 2011 05:41 Sky101 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2011 15:15 Djzapz wrote:On December 29 2011 12:54 Chef wrote:
I am not understanding why wanting to hire a driver for your daughter makes you stupid. You know people actually do that. Pay people to drive places. That's a real job. Transactions made on craigslist tend to be risky because you get scammed. Reminds me of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craigslist_Killer ... Sure it's a real job... not so much a craigslist job. If I had kids, I would look for reputable people... You'd be a horrible, dangerous parent x_x On December 29 2011 13:42 Sky101 wrote:
This moron has too much time on his/her hand. He said somewhere the website + book sales earns him 5 figures. Not very moronic. By your logic, the KKK isn't a bunch of idiots either, because they have plenty of members and money, right?
Are you writing this from 1963?
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as long as you're aware that you're being an asshole, go for it.
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I've been following D-E-R.com for a few years now. I love it and I highly recommend it! So many favorites it's hard to choose just one or two to recommend. Get on the site and start reading.
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On December 30 2011 04:36 TheToast wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2011 03:39 Chef wrote:On December 29 2011 13:18 TheToast wrote:On December 29 2011 12:54 Chef wrote:
Look at the types of questions she asked. If he'd been with a driving agency before, had a track record, etc. A reference from a previous employer is pretty much all you get (and you will know that it is a real agency because it will exist as a service lol). It's not like you can just get your friend to pretend to be your reference lol. It would be fairly standard to ask for a criminal record check. Yeah, it's not perfect, but you probably aren't staying up at night worrying about the possibility of a teacher suddenly raping your children, and they don't have much more credentials than this. I feel the need to point out that Jerry Sandusky would meet all of these requirements and more. Child molesters do not walk around with signs on their backs, and many (like Sandusky and countless Catholic priests) are very adept at avoiding getting caught. Anyone who would leave their child alone for long periods of time with a perfect stranger is insane. The world is too full of far too many bad people, and it only takes one to completely ruin your child's life forever. All I need to teach children is a criminal records check. The soccer coach where her daughter needs to be driven to doesn't have more credentials than this. Key difference is that the soccer coach is usually never completely alone with a single child. There are other children and usually some parents present at the same time. Though, again, I need to point out that there have been a number of sports coaches who have turned out to be serial child molesters. Here is a good example from my home town. Parents cannot ever be too careful. I reiterate, leaving your child alone for long periods of time with a complete stranger is insane and stupid. Maybe some TL parents can back me up on this? Edit: On December 29 2011 13:14 Balfazar wrote:
I don't understand the stress about getting a 'stranger' (who will be thoroughly vetted by the parent) to drive a kid around, it's no riskier than a babysitter which is commonplace. Ever notice that young females seem to have the market cornered on baby sitting, even though they are almost certainly the least responsible and experienced? How many people do you know would hire a 40 year old man to sit with their children, even if they had done a background check? This is not a situation where reasonable precaution is adequate, this in some cases is literally a life or death situation. + Show Spoiler + so in summary.... ah... trolling is... uh... reasonable Please let me know how well adjusted the child you don't have will be after growing up inside a bubble its whole life. Never let your child have piano lessons because heaven forbid that old lady do something crazy. I'm saying that the risk is relative. Not leaving your children completely alone with strangers for prolonged periods of time does not equate to "living in a bubble". Show nested quote +
Yes, there are extraordinary cases where someone after never committing a crime in their life suddenly decides to rape children at age 46, but the chances are much slimmer than a lot of other risks people are willing to take with their children. I find it particularly unlikely that a child would be in danger in this case because how would a child molester conceive of getting away with it? It is on record that at those times he or she is with the child in the car... If something happens to the child in that time, who is going to be blamed?
They don't have to get away with it. We're not talking about stealing a car here. Once a child has been molested, their life is pretty much permanently screwed up. Show nested quote +
The only thing I will give you is that it would probably have been better not to state the age of the passenger, so as to avoid people looking for children. If it was that concerning you would probably do better to tell her that (for the sake of her child) than to make fun of her for being a busy parent trying to make things work. I mean, when you actually start putting yourself in the position of parents and the people you think are so stupid, you'll realise the solutions aren't as clear as you'd like. It's very easy to be judgmental, much harder to actually live a life. Would I look for drivers on craig's list? Probably not.
I'm guessing you wouldn't do it because it's a bad idea? So your argument is that it's a bad idea but I shouldn't criticize her for it? Show nested quote +
I would probably try to get another parent the child is already familiar with and trusts to do it. But that's also the basic story line of every child molestation ever, so what can I say? Ever had a friend's parent drive you back to your house? Ever gone outside? If you have, you probably take more risks than you're aware.
You're not wrong here. But why does this happen? Because parents let their guards down. Show nested quote +
edit: why does it have to be a 40 year old man... If you're that sexist, then surely you can wait till you find a 27 year old woman who wants the job... I guess you're picturing a 40 year old man with a skeevy mustache... hahaha. Weren't you ever taught that criminals don't always look like criminals?
So, you've never noticed a pattern in that child molesters are almost always middle aged white men?
Just so you know, that is a very tedious way to argue and has already led to misunderstanding by false separations of my premises. You are basically asking me to clarify every single point I've made, so that you can then respond to every clarification and we can argue endlessly writing 5000 word posts a piece and never getting anywhere because now one main argument has been divided into five sub arguments, and will be divided further still as they are brought into more detail. Whether I am right or wrong, it's not worth the time to argue like this. I would ordinarily just ignore the post and view it as the end of reason, but for your benefit I want to reveal to you that there is in fact a better way to argue (and basically it involves trying to understand how someone's points work together, rather than simplifying them, since they were in fact presented, together, with a single goal).
You probably shouldn't try to guess what I mean, either. To assume makes an "ass" out of "u" and "me." Because it's a bad idea? Or because getting trolled by morons on the internet is tedious? Or perhaps something else? Possibly financially motivated? Maybe it's just a more familiar approach? Who knowwssss... You won't.
edit: actually, given low effort and one line responses, I'm not entirely sure you're genuinely interested at all. So I guess I've already wasted my time 
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On December 30 2011 06:17 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2011 05:41 Sky101 wrote:On December 29 2011 15:15 Djzapz wrote:On December 29 2011 12:54 Chef wrote:
I am not understanding why wanting to hire a driver for your daughter makes you stupid. You know people actually do that. Pay people to drive places. That's a real job. Transactions made on craigslist tend to be risky because you get scammed. Reminds me of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craigslist_Killer ... Sure it's a real job... not so much a craigslist job. If I had kids, I would look for reputable people... You'd be a horrible, dangerous parent x_x On December 29 2011 13:42 Sky101 wrote:
This moron has too much time on his/her hand. He said somewhere the website + book sales earns him 5 figures. Not very moronic. By your logic, the KKK isn't a bunch of idiots either, because they have plenty of members and money, right? By moron, I don't mean stupidity in the purest sense. It was more like his actions were stupid. Basically Reductio ad Hitlerum, not deserving of an answer, but I'll give you one anyway so you can get a bit of perspective. Harmless actions that generate money are fine. By that "logic", Dane Cook is fine. Calling him a moron because you dislike his humor and his way to make money is jealousy or uptight'ness. I would do it for money though, and I don't think you could call me a moron. Saying that my "logic" extends to disgusting organisations just shows what kind of person you are. You'll spew BS just to make a case. But you're saying his actions were stupid... Generating 5 figures from goofing around online doesn't constitute a stupid action IMO. Maybe his craft is silly, but there's nothing stupid there. I'm pretty sure there are telephonists here who look at that and they think it's dumb, and then they go call people at 5:30PM while they're eating dinner to try to sell them overpriced trinkets. This guy's basically a Saint.
Ok I concur, maybe I utilized the wrong word here. Sometimes you see things that don't jive with your character values and you slip a line like "What a moron!" or "That's stupid"!
I dislike trolling because that's just plain immaturity, especially conducted by an adult with all senses (should be) developed. I sincerely doubted he started it in the beginning with the purpose of making money though. Maybe he realized that some time afterward, with the amount of fans and viewership that he has gained, that he could make a buck or 2 out of it.
PS: I passed the entry to 6-fig income a while ago, if anything, I'd scoff at this guy for acting dumb and make so little 
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On December 30 2011 09:11 Sky101 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2011 06:17 Djzapz wrote:On December 30 2011 05:41 Sky101 wrote:On December 29 2011 15:15 Djzapz wrote:On December 29 2011 12:54 Chef wrote:
I am not understanding why wanting to hire a driver for your daughter makes you stupid. You know people actually do that. Pay people to drive places. That's a real job. Transactions made on craigslist tend to be risky because you get scammed. Reminds me of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craigslist_Killer ... Sure it's a real job... not so much a craigslist job. If I had kids, I would look for reputable people... You'd be a horrible, dangerous parent x_x On December 29 2011 13:42 Sky101 wrote:
This moron has too much time on his/her hand. He said somewhere the website + book sales earns him 5 figures. Not very moronic. By your logic, the KKK isn't a bunch of idiots either, because they have plenty of members and money, right? By moron, I don't mean stupidity in the purest sense. It was more like his actions were stupid. Basically Reductio ad Hitlerum, not deserving of an answer, but I'll give you one anyway so you can get a bit of perspective. Harmless actions that generate money are fine. By that "logic", Dane Cook is fine. Calling him a moron because you dislike his humor and his way to make money is jealousy or uptight'ness. I would do it for money though, and I don't think you could call me a moron. Saying that my "logic" extends to disgusting organisations just shows what kind of person you are. You'll spew BS just to make a case. But you're saying his actions were stupid... Generating 5 figures from goofing around online doesn't constitute a stupid action IMO. Maybe his craft is silly, but there's nothing stupid there. I'm pretty sure there are telephonists here who look at that and they think it's dumb, and then they go call people at 5:30PM while they're eating dinner to try to sell them overpriced trinkets. This guy's basically a Saint. PS: I passed the entry to 6-fig income a while ago, if anything, I'd scoff at this guy for acting dumb and make so little
A surprising amount of people make a lot of money - or so they say on the Internet. Regardless, it's a side income that obviously doesn't take too much time to make. He says he also has a "real job".
Regardless, not sure why you feel like you can scoff at people who make less money than you do. I'll have to work on earning 6 figures to make sure Sky101 doesn't think lowly of me =(
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I only said it because you suggested that I may be jealous of him. Of course this is the internet and people say alot of things up in here, so you can choose to believe it or not.
Regardless, not sure why you feel like you can scoff at people who make less money than you do. I'll have to work on earning 6 figures to make sure Sky101 doesn't think lowly of me =(
Please reread what I said
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On December 30 2011 08:19 Chef wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2011 04:36 TheToast wrote:On December 30 2011 03:39 Chef wrote:On December 29 2011 13:18 TheToast wrote:On December 29 2011 12:54 Chef wrote:
Look at the types of questions she asked. If he'd been with a driving agency before, had a track record, etc. A reference from a previous employer is pretty much all you get (and you will know that it is a real agency because it will exist as a service lol). It's not like you can just get your friend to pretend to be your reference lol. It would be fairly standard to ask for a criminal record check. Yeah, it's not perfect, but you probably aren't staying up at night worrying about the possibility of a teacher suddenly raping your children, and they don't have much more credentials than this. I feel the need to point out that Jerry Sandusky would meet all of these requirements and more. Child molesters do not walk around with signs on their backs, and many (like Sandusky and countless Catholic priests) are very adept at avoiding getting caught. Anyone who would leave their child alone for long periods of time with a perfect stranger is insane. The world is too full of far too many bad people, and it only takes one to completely ruin your child's life forever. All I need to teach children is a criminal records check. The soccer coach where her daughter needs to be driven to doesn't have more credentials than this. Key difference is that the soccer coach is usually never completely alone with a single child. There are other children and usually some parents present at the same time. Though, again, I need to point out that there have been a number of sports coaches who have turned out to be serial child molesters. Here is a good example from my home town. Parents cannot ever be too careful. I reiterate, leaving your child alone for long periods of time with a complete stranger is insane and stupid. Maybe some TL parents can back me up on this? Edit: On December 29 2011 13:14 Balfazar wrote:
I don't understand the stress about getting a 'stranger' (who will be thoroughly vetted by the parent) to drive a kid around, it's no riskier than a babysitter which is commonplace. Ever notice that young females seem to have the market cornered on baby sitting, even though they are almost certainly the least responsible and experienced? How many people do you know would hire a 40 year old man to sit with their children, even if they had done a background check? This is not a situation where reasonable precaution is adequate, this in some cases is literally a life or death situation. + Show Spoiler + so in summary.... ah... trolling is... uh... reasonable Please let me know how well adjusted the child you don't have will be after growing up inside a bubble its whole life. Never let your child have piano lessons because heaven forbid that old lady do something crazy. I'm saying that the risk is relative. Not leaving your children completely alone with strangers for prolonged periods of time does not equate to "living in a bubble".
Yes, there are extraordinary cases where someone after never committing a crime in their life suddenly decides to rape children at age 46, but the chances are much slimmer than a lot of other risks people are willing to take with their children. I find it particularly unlikely that a child would be in danger in this case because how would a child molester conceive of getting away with it? It is on record that at those times he or she is with the child in the car... If something happens to the child in that time, who is going to be blamed?
They don't have to get away with it. We're not talking about stealing a car here. Once a child has been molested, their life is pretty much permanently screwed up.
The only thing I will give you is that it would probably have been better not to state the age of the passenger, so as to avoid people looking for children. If it was that concerning you would probably do better to tell her that (for the sake of her child) than to make fun of her for being a busy parent trying to make things work. I mean, when you actually start putting yourself in the position of parents and the people you think are so stupid, you'll realise the solutions aren't as clear as you'd like. It's very easy to be judgmental, much harder to actually live a life. Would I look for drivers on craig's list? Probably not.
I'm guessing you wouldn't do it because it's a bad idea? So your argument is that it's a bad idea but I shouldn't criticize her for it?
I would probably try to get another parent the child is already familiar with and trusts to do it. But that's also the basic story line of every child molestation ever, so what can I say? Ever had a friend's parent drive you back to your house? Ever gone outside? If you have, you probably take more risks than you're aware.
You're not wrong here. But why does this happen? Because parents let their guards down.
edit: why does it have to be a 40 year old man... If you're that sexist, then surely you can wait till you find a 27 year old woman who wants the job... I guess you're picturing a 40 year old man with a skeevy mustache... hahaha. Weren't you ever taught that criminals don't always look like criminals?
So, you've never noticed a pattern in that child molesters are almost always middle aged white men? Just so you know, that is a very tedious way to argue and has already led to misunderstanding by false separations of my premises. You are basically asking me to clarify every single point I've made, so that you can then respond to every clarification and we can argue endlessly writing 5000 word posts a piece and never getting anywhere because now one main argument has been divided into five sub arguments, and will be divided further still as they are brought into more detail. Whether I am right or wrong, it's not worth the time to argue like this. I would ordinarily just ignore the post and view it as the end of reason, but for your benefit I want to reveal to you that there is in fact a better way to argue (and basically it involves trying to understand how someone's points work together, rather than simplifying them, since they were in fact presented, together, with a single goal). You probably shouldn't try to guess what I mean, either. To assume makes an "ass" out of "u" and "me." Because it's a bad idea? Or because getting trolled by morons on the internet is tedious? Or perhaps something else? Possibly financially motivated? Maybe it's just a more familiar approach? Who knowwssss... You won't. edit: actually, given low effort and one line responses, I'm not entirely sure you're genuinely interested at all. So I guess I've already wasted my time
So... I win, right?
And I lost track of the thesis that we were arguing over, but pretty sure we both made our points. Now it's up to the audience to decide...
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Audience decides: stop derailing the threads. Arguing on the internet is like the special olympics - even if you win, you're still retarded.
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On December 30 2011 12:22 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Audience decides: stop derailing the threads. Arguing on the internet is like the special olympics - even if you win, you're still retarded.
So two people with different opinions are never allowed to discuss them on the internet? Might as well shut down TL, for that matter might as well shut down 90% of the internet.
And it wasn't a complete derail, my original argument was that I didn't feel bad for this woman getting trolled because she was acting foolishly. Now this little aside you've gone on, this is a derail.
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haha i remember reading this site almost a year ago! theres some pretty hilarious ones hes done. only thing is the updates come very slowly
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omg this is indeed genius! EG should hire this guy!
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