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PJFrylar
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States350 Posts
December 30 2011 05:24 GMT
#81
Combine his poorly worded "apology" with his continued jerk behavior. He isn't sorry for what he did, he is sorry he got caught. He has a documented history of doing this, a few of those people who's names he dropped came out and say that he's a jerk is business dealings as well. He doesn't seem like he's going to change whatsoever from this ordeal. Also consider the documented domestic violence incident. Face it this guy is just a jerk, this wasn't just a bad day. I'm not one of the people that's been harassing him and I really don't condone that stuff myself. I however don't really feel sympathy for him being that he seems like a genuine asshole. I don't really see why you're going to such great lengths to defend him. From what I've seen no one that knows him or has dealt with him personally has come out and said he isn't such a bad guy, which is understandable from the way he conducts himself.
KoTakUEurO
Profile Joined May 2011
605 Posts
December 30 2011 05:31 GMT
#82
His twitter is now @OceanDeepSea
Tweet hate there.
Sokalo
Profile Joined May 2010
United States375 Posts
December 30 2011 12:55 GMT
#83
I'm shocked at the number of people who are falling for his "I had a bad day, I'm the victim here" routine.
"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
kaisen
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States601 Posts
December 30 2011 13:47 GMT
#84
People wont stop until the guy either quit his job and move into different industry or change his identity completely.

In short, the guy is royally fucked.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-30 15:26:13
December 30 2011 15:06 GMT
#85
On December 30 2011 14:02 jacosajh wrote:
The company set him up to fail. In this last incidence and the previous ones. That's plain and simple to see. It's not an excuse, but I believe they deserve the negative PR and ratings on Amazon.

I think he got smart and crass with Dave, which was way out of line. But he didn't go off the deep end until Dave's long reply and "welcome to the internet." Hell, I've had worse experiences with customer service (up until that point). And high tier customer service managers at that. Again, I raise my voice and get smart, but at the end of the day, I realize they aren't the ones pulling the strings. So I don't throw threats at them in that way. A lot of times, people get a power trip talking to customer service since they can say and do whatever they want, and they expect them to smile and kiss their ass. Let's be sensible -- they are people too. They have feelings and make mistakes.

For example, one time I got 7 completely unwarranted overdraft fees by Bank of America. You may remember the fiasco when Bank of America (and other big banks) purposely cleared bigger checks and transactions first (after holding smaller ones), so you would occur more overdraft fees. I talked (online chat) to customer service, and talked my way to the top. The person at the top was very rude and said it was my fault, etc. Proceeded to lecture me on how I need to be better at managing my money. I said I wasn't getting off the line until I got to talk to someone with more sense. He said he was the last tier and that he wasn't going to do anything for me. He also said that bank protocols didn't want him to disconnect from me. He could if he wanted, but he wasn't going too because he didn't want his chat logs being pulled automatically due to a manual disconnect on his end. "I work a 12 hour shift," he said, "I got all day to wait you out." So, I called his bluff and left my computer on all day. Checked every few hours and sure enough he was still there. I came back and my internet reset or something and the rest is history. I finally got the overdraft fees refunded though.

Trust me. I thought about saving the chat log and posting it everywhere. And I was way way way way more immature then.
Why didn't you?

Why let a terrible company ream you out like that? That's not how you treat your customers. You should've changed banks and made it public. I don't understand why it's immature to hold your thoughts in or hide the way others are mistreating you. It's self destructive and it sets up that company/employee to abuse another customer the same way they did to you.

BoA has one of the worst service and customer satisfaction records of any major company, and certainly of all the banks. I absolutely refuse to have an account with them. When a company treats their customers like shit, they deserve to go out of business. Somebody else will do the job better and with a smile.

Why are you protecting someone that's mistreating you? Have some self respect about it. It's like some bizarre corporate Stockholm syndrome. And how on earth is the company going to improve if customers are afraid or passive about that type of information?

Look at this: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/114994-Ocean-Marketing-Attempts-To-Extort-Former-Client

The guy is simply a terrible human being.
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jacosajh
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
2919 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-30 17:20:52
December 30 2011 17:08 GMT
#86
I got it done anyways. And enough people did say something to make BoA and other big banks stop doing that. From Federal order.

I didn't feel the need to get some customer service rep who probably gets pressure from upper management to uphold their greedy decisions in trouble. This happens all of the time. Remember when that guy from America Online? This is how you set up your customer service reps to fail. Place some highly unrealistic goals and tell them they will get points docked and some metrics will show they are ineffective, etc. (a la, T-Mobile regional customer service center where some of my friends work). Just so executives can pad their pocket.

The company apologizes when its brought to light, but are they really sorry? No. Just like the maker of the Avengers. He's trying to distance himself only because he knows its negative publicity for his product. But he knows a lot of it is HIS fault. At the end of the day, I'm not going to make some customer service rep's life a living hell just because they were doing their job. And the company keeps doing it anyways. There are better ways to deal with the situation.

While I'm not condoning what he's doing in that link... there simply isn't enough information there. If it really is part of his contract, etc. etc. there's no way around it. In business, that's just another day in the office. It's douchy, but that is how a lot of people make their living (a good one at that). So if he's legally / technically owed money because the company owner didn't protect himself from situations like this, it's not extortion because it's not illegal.

There is a direct difference. How I feel about Paul (that he's a stupid childish douchebag) has no bearing on the technicalities of the issue. Of course the media is going to commingle the facts and mob mentality against him to make the story all that much more touching.

At this point, I'm not even concentrating so much on what Paul deserves or doesn't deserve. Just that Kotkin does deserve what happened to him as well. He failed his customer service rep / PR and by extension his customers. How easy would it have been for him to say "Hey, listen let's send a mass e-mail saying it'll be late. We're VERY SORRY. It's on its way. But we're going to give everyone 25% off."
PJFrylar
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States350 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-30 17:28:06
December 30 2011 17:27 GMT
#87
It is one thing to go after money he is legally owed. It is another to not relinquish control after he's been canned. If he wants his money, fine go through the courts. Holding their accounts hostage and making demands (he isn't even demanding money he's owed according to the story, but demanding a NEW contract with financial benefits for himself) is extortion. Even if it ends up not technically being illegal it is still a scummy thing to do. This guy is a COMPLETE dirtbag. Of course we're going to comingle everything we've heard about him and we haven't heard a damn thing that points to having a shred of decency about him. Like I said earlier, I don't really condone the barrage of harrasment coming his way, but this guy isn't doing anything that is going to make it stop.
jacosajh
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
2919 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-31 00:43:37
December 31 2011 00:41 GMT
#88
Edit: Nevermind. I appreciate all the healthy discussion but I'm kind of tired of it now.
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