EPTA Different Perspective on The NaNiwa Controversy - Page 3
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Firesilver
United Kingdom1190 Posts
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
Just wanted to add that the best way I visualized this situation was this. This is how I want people to see esports: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://tcpm.mrlazyinc.com/files/images/games/memes/mlg_2011_orlando_boxer_stays_late_cake_song_lyrics.PNG) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/nZuk2.jpg) This is not how I want people to see esports: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Vb0yn.gif) | ||
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sib-pelle
Sweden162 Posts
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Rugburnz
United States4 Posts
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Liquid`Nazgul
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CEPEHDREI
Germany1521 Posts
its just unacceptable to throw games like naniwa did. u cant allow that to happen. | ||
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Gobe
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Ponchey
Sweden89 Posts
On December 15 2011 18:50 Enearde wrote: He said nothing of the sort. He said that while throwing a match is something that could be seen as a strategy, trying to secure something (an advantageous place in a bracket or whatever), throwing a match when nothing is at stake is wrong because you'll gain nothing out of this move. Is that not exactly what I proposed that he said? | ||
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Deleted User 137586
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I would like to especially thank you for talking about the Idra v Nerchio forfeit, it had nagged me for a while, and I'm glad to see you have a clear position on it. Reassuring that I can wholeheartedly support EG. To all those saying that it's the tournament that forced it, I'd like to point out the statistics Day9 cited about Idra: he loses most sets where he loses the first game - it's hard to win after a loss, but it's part of the game. Anyone who listened to Lo3 yesterday knows Naniwa is now the first to tell you that it would be right to still try to play one's heart out in that situation. | ||
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Huckleuro
United Kingdom294 Posts
EG's view is very fair and standard, and i agree 99%. Though say we were to talk about professionalism... when EG's (and many, many other teams) top players regularly go on stream and repeatedly abuse their opposition, when they sit there and call almost every opponent a 'retard'... sure that must be seen as totally unprofessional and down right rude? Throwing stones. Glass house. E-sports is young and it will change massively in the next few years. I believe people are overreacting to what nani did. It was wrong and disrespectful, but it was also the first time he has done something like this. | ||
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
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AlternativeEgo
Sweden17309 Posts
On December 15 2011 18:46 McgKrypton wrote: What i don't understand is that if Naniwa did a 4-gate (to end the match at 6-7min ingame lose or win) no-one would have complained. True. Naniwa was caught in a lose/lose situation and I don't see why a half-assed attempt would be so much better than what he did. Sure he could have pulled off his Nestea-tailored-supergosu-strategy in a serious attempt to win, but doing that in a game that didn't matter at all is just stupid. Like..really stupid. I don't want any player to pay that prize just for our "entertainment". And c'mon, you have to admit that a probe rush at this level is pretty entertaining (in a hilarious way), at least more so than the more "suited" fake game as mentioned. | ||
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
On December 15 2011 19:07 Huckleuro wrote: OK. For a start- why would EG feel the need to put their oar into the water regarding this situation? We dont need further gossip or talk on an incredibly obvious subject. EG's view is very fair and standard, and i agree 100%. Though say we were to talk about professionalism... when EG's (and many, many other teams) top players regularly go on stream and repeatedly abuse their opposition, when they sit there and call almost every opponent a 'retard'... sure that must be seen as totally unprofessional and down right rude? Throwing stones. Glass house. E-sports is young and it will change massively in the next few years. I believe people are overreacting to what nani did. It was wrong and disrespectful, but it was also the first time hes done it. Nononono. Please don't do this. I've had people say this to me as well. However if you want teams to be silent (due to their relationship with Quantic), tournaments to be silent (due to their relationship with GOM), and players to be silent (due to their relationship with Naniwa) you are essentially saying all the big spokespeople in this scene cannot speak out against actions. This is incredibly detrimental to the scene. Important people in this industry do need to speak out when something serious happens. The fact that so many don't just to avoid the heat is actually a major issue in Esports. | ||
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Angelbelow
United States3728 Posts
On December 15 2011 18:59 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: I actually have a blog written out myself that I still wanted to edit before posting, but it touches on so many of the same issues Alex addressed. This has my complete support. Cool to hear, I'm sure it'll be great when it comes out but I want to say that Alex's blog post really articulates my thoughts (and what I was trying to express in the "LR") perfectly. Also, thanks for writing these opinions, its always great to be able to read these kind of opinion pieces from some of the great E-sport minds who aren't players. (The FXOboss one is really good too.) | ||
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Eineez
Sweden37 Posts
 Anyways, I still think the situation was poorly handled by GOMTV. There was no official statement until much later and no official translation of what was said yesterday by mr chae. The translation that was out, I'm still not sure whether or not it was accurate or not, but that certainly enraged people aswell. Most of the outrage from people like me who sided with naniwa on the matter, felt that a lot of players (including naniwa himself) has gotten away with much worse things in other tournaments, and were completely surprised and confused by the anger towards him after the probe rush and the harsh punishment he received. We need consistency from all major tournaments in these matters, and clear and precise rules of what is acceptable behaviour and what is not. | ||
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snowbird
Germany2044 Posts
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The Void
Germany428 Posts
On December 15 2011 18:25 Adebisi wrote: I don't want to drag this topic off on a tangent so I'll try to keep this short. This is the type of things where some people will think one way, and others will think another. To me the match doesn't effect the progression of the tournament, so no longer matters, for other people, any chance to watch Nestea vs Naniwa is important even if nothing but "honour" is on the line, so it does matter. Its just a situation the ideal tournament format will avoid, you want the players to be trying their best, not half assing it, like I said in my post, if this format is used again, the exact same situation will re-occur sooner or later, it is inevitable, the player won't do something as blatant as what Naniwa did, but it will be the same. pretty much this. actually officialy the game did NOT matter. for me it doesn't matter. and i hate to see progamers play if i have the feeling they don't play real - so i don't want to see this games at all. Nobody can expect that a progamers does his best, if there is nothing on the line. It's psychological very unplausibly that someone actually is able to do his best in such a situation. Some eventually are able some will never be able - you can't blame them. It is just normal. so if i can't be sure they are giving his best, i would rather not see this game. and aside from that it even made this silly game more interesting cause it wasn't expected and i was thankful for a short game (because it didn't matter anyway ). in terms of entertainment value it was the best thing that could have happened. | ||
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Deimos0
Poland277 Posts
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Angelbelow
United States3728 Posts
On December 15 2011 19:19 The Void wrote: pretty much this. actually officialy the game did NOT matter. for me it doesn't matter. and i hate to see progamers play if i have the feeling they don't play real - so i don't want to see this games at all. Nobody can expect that a progamers does his best, if there is nothing on the line. It's psychological very unplausibly that someone actually is able to do his best in such a situation. Some eventually are able some will never be able - you can't blame them. It is just normal. so if i can't be sure they are giving his best, i would rather not see this game. and aside from that it even made this silly game more interesting cause it wasn't expected and i was thankful for a short game (because it didn't matter anyway ). in terms of entertainment value it was the best thing that could have happened. I disagree, the game does matter. Naniwa agreed to the format and he agreed to compete with.. oh... just the top players of 2011 in SC2's most prestigious tournament organizer. Therefore, Naniwa has an obligation to the fans, to his team, and to the tournament organizers to play it out (after all they're all putting time and/or money to see him succeed.) At the end of the day, the game does matter or it wouldn't have caused this community backlash. It wouldn't have led to his candidacy for Code S being revoked. The posters and fans that continue to defend Naniwa, know this, you're not doing him any favors. In fact Naniwa himself (along with other notable figures in the sc2 world) have agreed that this situation will only make him better if he learns from it. | ||
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Tommylew
Wales2717 Posts
Atend of day the is plenty of times where teams plays hti once relgegated hell ive taken throwing in in football and been thelast guy on the line when the other team goes and scores... and had teammates walking back when they broke... happens all the time people give up... how amny times even man u and Arsenal have we seen head drops and big scores posted as generally they just dont care... it happens in every sport and in a situation like this you can expect nani or Nestea to actually try(no one knows how Nestea would of played that game) | ||
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