EPTOn December 13 2011 00:54 puppykiller wrote:
I think that you are just feeding the nostalgia argument.
I think that you are just feeding the nostalgia argument.
Me in the OP, or the graphics talk?
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Wohmfg
United Kingdom1292 Posts
Me in the OP, or the graphics talk? | ||
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puppykiller
United States3137 Posts
Both. The legit argument for BW graphics is that you can tell whats going on better in the battles. Saying that they are prettier is kinda dumb. But ya your op just talks about how BW feels better. Sounds really really subjective. | ||
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Wohmfg
United Kingdom1292 Posts
On December 13 2011 01:06 puppykiller wrote: Both. The legit argument for BW graphics is that you can tell whats going on better in the battles. Saying that they are prettier is kinda dumb. But ya your op just talks about how BW feels better. Sounds really really subjective. Yeah it is very subjective. I put in the disclaimer that it was all just my opinion. Which parts of the OP in particular do you disagree with though? | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On December 13 2011 01:06 puppykiller wrote: Saying that they are prettier is kinda dumb. It is not. O__o What is ''pretty'' or not is a matter of aestetical preference, polygons and higher resolution does not automatically make something ''prettier'' (unless you mean from a purely technical point of view, which is highly irrelevant). | ||
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TheAntZ
Israel6248 Posts
On December 13 2011 00:34 surfinbird1 wrote: Who cares if "that shit is the 90's yo"? Just because a certain technique is old doesn't mean it isn't aesthetically pleasing anymore all of a sudden (oil paint is so 1500's yo). And are you saying that because Bejeweled uses the same graphics as BW it looks the same, huh? What you do with the available graphics makes the difference. BW still looks good and to be honest Bejeweled doesn't look bad either. Again, you can actually tell units apart even in a large army even if they're clumped up. No no, you dont understand, clarity is not important shiny shit blowing up in 3d, now THAT is important. Also, new is always better, 100% of the time. | ||
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puppykiller
United States3137 Posts
On December 13 2011 01:10 Wohmfg wrote: Yeah it is very subjective. I put in the disclaimer that it was all just my opinion. Which parts of the OP in particular do you disagree with though? I don't disagree with any of it. I just don't think it's worthwhile to make a case for BW primarily off of points that could be interpreted as nostalgia. The only people who are gonna agree with this are people who have played BW for a long time. Thus it just looks like rubbish to newer SC2 players and feeds their theory that most BW players prefer BW due to nostalgia. | ||
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TheAntZ
Israel6248 Posts
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
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puppykiller
United States3137 Posts
On December 13 2011 01:19 TheAntZ wrote: "The legit argument for BW graphics is that you can tell whats going on better in the battles. Saying that they are prettier is kinda dumb." Well if i cant appreciate it... it must be pretty shit. After all, my taste is all encompassing, and 'opinion' is a myth. Exactly. Saying that they are prettier in BW is dumb because its incredibly subjective. Saying its easier to tell whats going on in battles in BW isn't dumb, because its true. | ||
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Boundz(DarKo)
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Wohmfg
United Kingdom1292 Posts
On December 13 2011 01:17 puppykiller wrote: I don't disagree with any of it. I just don't think it's worthwhile to make a case for BW primarily off of points that could be interpreted as nostalgia. The only people who are gonna agree with this are people who have played BW for a long time. Thus it just looks like rubbish to newer SC2 players and feeds their theory that most BW players prefer BW due to nostalgia. I disagree that the only people that are going to agree with this are people who already love BW. The fact that the game is STILL balanced and that there are evolutions of standard play even NOW, how could that not appeal to someone interested in competitive games? And I would argue that the units and spells are interesting and diverse and unique to the units, which is also something that should be interesting to an RTS fan. | ||
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fabiano
Brazil4644 Posts
BW became a godly game, its hard to explain exactly how it got to that stage. Will SC2 live up to the Starcraft name? Who knows.... in 5 years we will figure it out, but so far it does'nt look nor feel like it. | ||
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OpticalShot
Canada6330 Posts
When I watch BW (SKPL) these days, I feel 'enlightened' (phrase commonly used by Flash, o_O;  . I don't think I'm watching 'a game.' I'm watching something so special that it belongs in its own category. The mix of entertainment and satisfaction (oh and enlightenment!) from watching pro BW is something I dare say will be replicated by anything else in the present and the future. | ||
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
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a176
Canada6688 Posts
On December 12 2011 23:12 Wohmfg wrote: ![[image loading]](http://i40.tinypic.com/wjcsvd.jpg) Hueeuhaeuhuahe, silly terran, you can't move through stasised units. seriously. stasis on sentry would be way more awesome than ff. | ||
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TundrA.
Canada35 Posts
Long live Brood War! Even if all the best BW players came to SC2 and brought the game to a new level, it would not be worth losing the first ESPORT and a great spectator game. Besides, given how many BW pros have decided to just go to the army or retire, I'm not sure how many legends the SC2 scene would get in the end anyways  | ||
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Wohmfg
United Kingdom1292 Posts
On December 13 2011 03:54 TundrA. wrote: As a new-to-the-community SC2 guy, I really feel for you longtime BW fans. I would have to disagree that there is anything BETTER technically about the old game than the new one, but I can definitely understand why older fans would be upset that the game they love is losing its scene. With all the space control units, lower food costs and higher resource collection per worker it is just plain different than SC2, and it sucks to lose something unique for seemingly arbitrary commercial reasons. After all this time, how can BW suddenly not be worth sponsoring in Korea? Please don't blame SC2 for BW's decline... as great as SC2 is, imo, it is too different from BW to be considered a 'replacement' for the classic game. Long live Brood War! Even if all the best BW players came to SC2 and brought the game to a new level, it would not be worth losing the first ESPORT and a great spectator game. Besides, given how many BW pros have decided to just go to the army or retire, I'm not sure how many legends the SC2 scene would get in the end anyways Nice post. Yeah, there is nothing technically better about BW, but that is part of its charm. The difficult mechanics was never a deliberate implementation, it just worked out that the UI wasn't completely user friendly. If you tried to put these false limitations on a new game I think it would feel forced and unnatural. I think SC2 is in part responsible for BW's decline, or at least a catalyst, but it's just something that is. I feel sad that BW is going to be gone, but I'm not angry that SC2 is a current success. I hope SC2 takes the place of BW as something that is entirely magical even after 10 years but I really doubt that will happen. I doubt any game will come along in my lifetime that is as special as BW. Long live BW indeed! | ||
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Newbistic
China2912 Posts
There were holidays spent waking up, starting Brood War, playing on Battle.Net with friends for the entire day, then going to sleep at 3 AM just to do the same thing the next day. Ah, the halcyon days of youth... | ||
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3FFA
United States3931 Posts
 . Excuse me while I go take a long walk...edit: Also, read my quote of Chill ^^ | ||
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StarStruck
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Think of the U.I. as a rulebook then you will understand. | ||
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