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Wohmfg
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom1292 Posts
December 12 2011 15:58 GMT
#21
On December 13 2011 00:54 puppykiller wrote:
I think that you are just feeding the nostalgia argument.


Me in the OP, or the graphics talk?
BW4Life!
puppykiller
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States3137 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-12 16:09:17
December 12 2011 16:06 GMT
#22
On December 13 2011 00:58 Wohmfg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 00:54 puppykiller wrote:
I think that you are just feeding the nostalgia argument.


Me in the OP, or the graphics talk?

Both. The legit argument for BW graphics is that you can tell whats going on better in the battles. Saying that they are prettier is kinda dumb. But ya your op just talks about how BW feels better. Sounds really really subjective.
Why would I play sctoo when I can play BW?
Wohmfg
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom1292 Posts
December 12 2011 16:10 GMT
#23
On December 13 2011 01:06 puppykiller wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 00:58 Wohmfg wrote:
On December 13 2011 00:54 puppykiller wrote:
I think that you are just feeding the nostalgia argument.


Me in the OP, or the graphics talk?

Both. The legit argument for BW graphics is that you can tell whats going on better in the battles. Saying that they are prettier is kinda dumb. But ya your op just talks about how BW feels better. Sounds really really subjective.


Yeah it is very subjective. I put in the disclaimer that it was all just my opinion.

Which parts of the OP in particular do you disagree with though?
BW4Life!
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-12 16:13:47
December 12 2011 16:13 GMT
#24
On December 13 2011 01:06 puppykiller wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 00:58 Wohmfg wrote:
On December 13 2011 00:54 puppykiller wrote:
I think that you are just feeding the nostalgia argument.


Me in the OP, or the graphics talk?

Saying that they are prettier is kinda dumb.

It is not. O__o What is ''pretty'' or not is a matter of aestetical preference, polygons and higher resolution does not automatically make something ''prettier'' (unless you mean from a purely technical point of view, which is highly irrelevant).
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
TheAntZ
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Israel6248 Posts
December 12 2011 16:14 GMT
#25
On December 13 2011 00:34 surfinbird1 wrote:
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On December 13 2011 00:23 SarR wrote:
On December 12 2011 23:53 surfinbird1 wrote:
Great thread, but I have to refute the claim that BW graphics are outdated. This is in no way true. The shapes of units in BW are so distinct and characteristic even in a 200 supply army you can tell everything apart and in a hundred years I won't forget what a Hydralisk looks like. Personally I feel that RTS graphics age better than FPS graphics. If you take a look at Half-Life today it really looks pretty ugly (still a dynamite game, don't get me wrong here) whereas BW still looks great. Maybe it's because you have to use your fantasy a little to really "see" a unit in a heap of pixels. But if that
[image loading]

doesn't look like a Hydralisk to you then nothing does.

BW graphics are dated, dont kid yourself. Firstly, almost no gaming company would make a game with sprite based graphics. That shit is the 90s yo. The only exceptions are the ones that make games like Bejewelled. Games like that dont need 3d rendering. Also BW uses indexed images.....there is absolutely no reason whatsoever to use paletted images anymore. Again look at bejewelled, how do you think it looks so beautiful?

Dont get me wrong, BW is a great game but thats no reason to exaggerate its qualities.

Who cares if "that shit is the 90's yo"? Just because a certain technique is old doesn't mean it isn't aesthetically pleasing anymore all of a sudden (oil paint is so 1500's yo). And are you saying that because Bejeweled uses the same graphics as BW it looks the same, huh? What you do with the available graphics makes the difference. BW still looks good and to be honest Bejeweled doesn't look bad either. Again, you can actually tell units apart even in a large army even if they're clumped up.


No no, you dont understand, clarity is not important
shiny shit blowing up in 3d, now THAT is important.
Also, new is always better, 100% of the time.
43084 | Honeybadger: "So july, you're in the GSL finals. How do you feel?!" ~ July: "HUNGRY."
puppykiller
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States3137 Posts
December 12 2011 16:17 GMT
#26
On December 13 2011 01:10 Wohmfg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 01:06 puppykiller wrote:
On December 13 2011 00:58 Wohmfg wrote:
On December 13 2011 00:54 puppykiller wrote:
I think that you are just feeding the nostalgia argument.


Me in the OP, or the graphics talk?

Both. The legit argument for BW graphics is that you can tell whats going on better in the battles. Saying that they are prettier is kinda dumb. But ya your op just talks about how BW feels better. Sounds really really subjective.


Yeah it is very subjective. I put in the disclaimer that it was all just my opinion.

Which parts of the OP in particular do you disagree with though?


I don't disagree with any of it. I just don't think it's worthwhile to make a case for BW primarily off of points that could be interpreted as nostalgia. The only people who are gonna agree with this are people who have played BW for a long time. Thus it just looks like rubbish to newer SC2 players and feeds their theory that most BW players prefer BW due to nostalgia.
Why would I play sctoo when I can play BW?
TheAntZ
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Israel6248 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-12 16:24:35
December 12 2011 16:19 GMT
#27
nvm i fail at reading. you have a good point puppykiller, i misunderstood your previous post
43084 | Honeybadger: "So july, you're in the GSL finals. How do you feel?!" ~ July: "HUNGRY."
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
December 12 2011 16:20 GMT
#28
The problem with all the 3D RTS is that they play the same way than two dimentional games. Height has no implication in Sc2, War3, AoE3 etc... for sure there is the cliff system but that the same thing than in bw or AoE1.
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
puppykiller
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States3137 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-12 16:22:21
December 12 2011 16:21 GMT
#29
On December 13 2011 01:19 TheAntZ wrote:
"The legit argument for BW graphics is that you can tell whats going on better in the battles. Saying that they are prettier is kinda dumb."

Well if i cant appreciate it...
it must be pretty shit. After all, my taste is all encompassing, and 'opinion' is a myth.


Exactly. Saying that they are prettier in BW is dumb because its incredibly subjective. Saying its easier to tell whats going on in battles in BW isn't dumb, because its true.
Why would I play sctoo when I can play BW?
Boundz(DarKo)
Profile Joined March 2009
5311 Posts
December 12 2011 16:26 GMT
#30
For many of us, BW helped shape our character. Thus, it will stay with us for life.
Wohmfg
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom1292 Posts
December 12 2011 16:42 GMT
#31
On December 13 2011 01:17 puppykiller wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 01:10 Wohmfg wrote:
On December 13 2011 01:06 puppykiller wrote:
On December 13 2011 00:58 Wohmfg wrote:
On December 13 2011 00:54 puppykiller wrote:
I think that you are just feeding the nostalgia argument.


Me in the OP, or the graphics talk?

Both. The legit argument for BW graphics is that you can tell whats going on better in the battles. Saying that they are prettier is kinda dumb. But ya your op just talks about how BW feels better. Sounds really really subjective.


Yeah it is very subjective. I put in the disclaimer that it was all just my opinion.

Which parts of the OP in particular do you disagree with though?


I don't disagree with any of it. I just don't think it's worthwhile to make a case for BW primarily off of points that could be interpreted as nostalgia. The only people who are gonna agree with this are people who have played BW for a long time. Thus it just looks like rubbish to newer SC2 players and feeds their theory that most BW players prefer BW due to nostalgia.


I disagree that the only people that are going to agree with this are people who already love BW.

The fact that the game is STILL balanced and that there are evolutions of standard play even NOW, how could that not appeal to someone interested in competitive games? And I would argue that the units and spells are interesting and diverse and unique to the units, which is also something that should be interesting to an RTS fan.
BW4Life!
fabiano
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Brazil4644 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-12 17:03:38
December 12 2011 17:03 GMT
#32
I think BW was a well designed game, but its success has some accident to it. Like popping out in Korea at the right time, players figuring out game engine tricks and such.

BW became a godly game, its hard to explain exactly how it got to that stage.

Will SC2 live up to the Starcraft name? Who knows.... in 5 years we will figure it out, but so far it does'nt look nor feel like it.
"When the geyser died, a probe came out" - SirJolt
OpticalShot
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada6330 Posts
December 12 2011 17:36 GMT
#33
BW magic will live forever in my heart.

When I watch BW (SKPL) these days, I feel 'enlightened' (phrase commonly used by Flash, o_O;. I don't think I'm watching 'a game.' I'm watching something so special that it belongs in its own category. The mix of entertainment and satisfaction (oh and enlightenment!) from watching pro BW is something I dare say will be replicated by anything else in the present and the future.
[TLMS] REBOOT
infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-12 18:14:42
December 12 2011 18:09 GMT
#34
I played many other old RTS recently to see if any had maybe any more depth than first appeared, and really they don't. And among it's peers BW and AoE have far better sprite-work than the competition. And i don't see any advantage or point to completely 2D gameplay RTS having 3D graphics.. Total Annihilation yes have it 3D, but for a Starcraft style RTS there's no advantage it just raises the computer specs by about 50 times. But it simply isn't acceptable to release a videogame these days that is graphically simplistic and focuses on strategy unless it's on an inferior system like DS (in which case it will be therefore dumbed down strategically instead).
a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
December 12 2011 18:47 GMT
#35
On December 12 2011 23:12 Wohmfg wrote:
[image loading]
Hueeuhaeuhuahe, silly terran, you can't move through stasised units.


seriously. stasis on sentry would be way more awesome than ff.
starleague forever
TundrA.
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada35 Posts
December 12 2011 18:54 GMT
#36
As a new-to-the-community SC2 guy, I really feel for you longtime BW fans. I would have to disagree that there is anything BETTER technically about the old game than the new one, but I can definitely understand why older fans would be upset that the game they love is losing its scene. With all the space control units, lower food costs and higher resource collection per worker it is just plain different than SC2, and it sucks to lose something unique for seemingly arbitrary commercial reasons. After all this time, how can BW suddenly not be worth sponsoring in Korea? Please don't blame SC2 for BW's decline... as great as SC2 is, imo, it is too different from BW to be considered a 'replacement' for the classic game.

Long live Brood War! Even if all the best BW players came to SC2 and brought the game to a new level, it would not be worth losing the first ESPORT and a great spectator game. Besides, given how many BW pros have decided to just go to the army or retire, I'm not sure how many legends the SC2 scene would get in the end anyways
Wohmfg
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom1292 Posts
December 12 2011 19:05 GMT
#37
On December 13 2011 03:54 TundrA. wrote:
As a new-to-the-community SC2 guy, I really feel for you longtime BW fans. I would have to disagree that there is anything BETTER technically about the old game than the new one, but I can definitely understand why older fans would be upset that the game they love is losing its scene. With all the space control units, lower food costs and higher resource collection per worker it is just plain different than SC2, and it sucks to lose something unique for seemingly arbitrary commercial reasons. After all this time, how can BW suddenly not be worth sponsoring in Korea? Please don't blame SC2 for BW's decline... as great as SC2 is, imo, it is too different from BW to be considered a 'replacement' for the classic game.

Long live Brood War! Even if all the best BW players came to SC2 and brought the game to a new level, it would not be worth losing the first ESPORT and a great spectator game. Besides, given how many BW pros have decided to just go to the army or retire, I'm not sure how many legends the SC2 scene would get in the end anyways


Nice post.

Yeah, there is nothing technically better about BW, but that is part of its charm. The difficult mechanics was never a deliberate implementation, it just worked out that the UI wasn't completely user friendly. If you tried to put these false limitations on a new game I think it would feel forced and unnatural.

I think SC2 is in part responsible for BW's decline, or at least a catalyst, but it's just something that is. I feel sad that BW is going to be gone, but I'm not angry that SC2 is a current success. I hope SC2 takes the place of BW as something that is entirely magical even after 10 years but I really doubt that will happen. I doubt any game will come along in my lifetime that is as special as BW.

Long live BW indeed!
BW4Life!
Newbistic
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
China2912 Posts
December 12 2011 19:20 GMT
#38
To jump on the nostalgia boat:

There were holidays spent waking up, starting Brood War, playing on Battle.Net with friends for the entire day, then going to sleep at 3 AM just to do the same thing the next day.

Ah, the halcyon days of youth...
Logic is Overrated
3FFA
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States3931 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-12 19:38:50
December 12 2011 19:34 GMT
#39
This... just made me happy.... then sad... then mopey...and now, I'm crying . Excuse me while I go take a long walk...
edit: Also, read my quote of Chill ^^
"As long as it comes from a pure place and from a honest place, you know, you can write whatever you want."
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-12 19:44:55
December 12 2011 19:42 GMT
#40
The BW leagues will last for however KeSPA wants it to last.

Think of the U.I. as a rulebook then you will understand.
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