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Vlare
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
748 Posts
April 13 2012 23:10 GMT
#21
I really don't agree with this blog, while I appreciate the amount of effort you put into it. Although I really don't want to put a 1,000 word essay on why I disagree. I honestly feel like T is in great shape the entire game tvp, and their lategame is much better than that of the protoss. I have seen countless Terrans agree with this idea.

You should check out lastshadow's video blogs on how to play TvP.
Can be found here : http://www.youtube.com/user/gosugamersnet/videos?query=vlog

Hopefully after watching this, you will have a better understanding of the matchup and realize just how doomed the protoss is all game, assuming you play properly.

5/5 blog good write up.
Mass zerglings doesnt fail
trias_e
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States520 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-13 23:43:00
April 13 2012 23:42 GMT
#22
I could have written this myself. I can't stand TvP, and I hate playing it to such an extent that it makes me want to quit the game entirely. It's immensly frustrating losing to turtle protoss over and over again. I've read lastshadow's blog and other guides on TvP, and I've attempted to incorporate it, but the late game micro is just so difficult for me and it seems so incredibly easy for the protoss. Every late game TvP ends with my army going splat basically doing no damage to his.
Vlare
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
748 Posts
April 14 2012 00:31 GMT
#23
On April 14 2012 08:42 trias_e wrote:
I could have written this myself. I can't stand TvP, and I hate playing it to such an extent that it makes me want to quit the game entirely. It's immensly frustrating losing to turtle protoss over and over again. I've read lastshadow's blog and other guides on TvP, and I've attempted to incorporate it, but the late game micro is just so difficult for me and it seems so incredibly easy for the protoss. Every late game TvP ends with my army going splat basically doing no damage to his.


Then why don't you do what EVERY SINGLE TERRAN DOES.
5rax, starport reactor push herpderp win game.

Or just get better control.

The best part about this push is, you do it while getting an expansion, double engi bay, and w.e else you want. And 80% of the time you just win the game without even having to worry about the late game.

And don't say "Oh only works vs noobs". I watch progamers, and just regular ladder terrans do it. And the result is always the same. Protoss dying.

So try that out imo ^
Mass zerglings doesnt fail
nface
Profile Joined June 2011
106 Posts
April 14 2012 17:31 GMT
#24
On April 14 2012 09:31 Vlare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2012 08:42 trias_e wrote:
I could have written this myself. I can't stand TvP, and I hate playing it to such an extent that it makes me want to quit the game entirely. It's immensly frustrating losing to turtle protoss over and over again. I've read lastshadow's blog and other guides on TvP, and I've attempted to incorporate it, but the late game micro is just so difficult for me and it seems so incredibly easy for the protoss. Every late game TvP ends with my army going splat basically doing no damage to his.


Then why don't you do what EVERY SINGLE TERRAN DOES.
5rax, starport reactor push herpderp win game.

Or just get better control.

The best part about this push is, you do it while getting an expansion, double engi bay, and w.e else you want. And 80% of the time you just win the game without even having to worry about the late game.

And don't say "Oh only works vs noobs". I watch progamers, and just regular ladder terrans do it. And the result is always the same. Protoss dying.

So try that out imo ^


Would be kind if you don't post here anymore, if you don't have any clue about the topic. Thanks!
Kraznaya
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3711 Posts
April 14 2012 17:32 GMT
#25
On April 14 2012 09:31 Vlare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2012 08:42 trias_e wrote:
I could have written this myself. I can't stand TvP, and I hate playing it to such an extent that it makes me want to quit the game entirely. It's immensly frustrating losing to turtle protoss over and over again. I've read lastshadow's blog and other guides on TvP, and I've attempted to incorporate it, but the late game micro is just so difficult for me and it seems so incredibly easy for the protoss. Every late game TvP ends with my army going splat basically doing no damage to his.


Then why don't you do what EVERY SINGLE TERRAN DOES.
5rax, starport reactor push herpderp win game.

Or just get better control.

The best part about this push is, you do it while getting an expansion, double engi bay, and w.e else you want. And 80% of the time you just win the game without even having to worry about the late game.

And don't say "Oh only works vs noobs". I watch progamers, and just regular ladder terrans do it. And the result is always the same. Protoss dying.

So try that out imo ^


What league are you in?
do you have enough resolve, hero of justice?
Legend`
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada381 Posts
April 14 2012 17:33 GMT
#26
The lategame power of protoss is balanced out by the early game power of terran. What you have said essentially is the complete opposite for a protoss fighting whatever form of 1-1-1, which still wins about 80% of the games at just about every level.

NME.352 GM NA Protoss
Cycle
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States300 Posts
April 14 2012 17:54 GMT
#27
I actually just play mech TvP. TT Also Pure Air into bio, but I'm less practiced up with that.

I open with cloak banshee expo into the marine, thor, banshee, raven composition, and stick with that until I get my third. As I take my third I add on factories and add siege tanks and bfh, in a mix that responds to his composition. The raven should let you kill obs.

Also, I surround all my bases in turrets. Really, it makes a huge difference. I make at least 3 sensor towers too, to watch his army movements.

The remainder of the game is dancing around with my army to make sure I'm sieged up well, and doing BFH runbys and drops/banshee harass to keep his army at home or to make him lose econ.

There's also a neat trick when you start getting a ton of minerals where you make like 5 barracks, hotkey them separately, and use them like force fields for your mech army.
| chKCycle.551 | NA | Master League Random | Checkmate Gaming |
nOondn
Profile Joined March 2011
564 Posts
April 15 2012 02:43 GMT
#28
I understand you bro,Anyways to anyone who thought that you can win with mid game push is wrong,I mean his level of opponents is very high (high master on kr server I belive) it's ten time better than master on am or eu.
Mid Master Terran @ kr server fighting !!!
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