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TurpinOS
Canada1223 Posts
''Hey im a lawyer (actually you are a law student sir), you should listen to me for I am better. TLDR'' Seriously, how could you possibly think that anyone would discuss the real matter at hand (matchfixing), when the obvious reason for you making that blog is to show off. Also, I am a law student too, so listen to me! | ||
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OmniEulogy
Canada6600 Posts
On November 17 2011 06:43 TurpinOS wrote: What I got from this topic. ''Hey im a lawyer (actually you are a law student sir), you should listen to me for I am better. TLDR'' Seriously, how could you possibly think that anyone would discuss the real matter at hand (matchfixing), when the obvious reason for you making that blog is to show off. Also, I am a law student too, so listen to me! Stop trying to make the OP seem less important! However I would ditch the lawyer on an island... If I need legal advice when there are only 3 other people on an island with me we have a totally different batch of problems in need of fixing. Speaking of fixing things... I didn't realize Conan O'Brien played starcraft at such a high level! lol that man is a true genius. | ||
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Daozzt
United States1263 Posts
On November 17 2011 06:43 TurpinOS wrote: What I got from this topic. ''Hey im a lawyer (actually you are a law student sir), you should listen to me for I am better. TLDR'' Seriously, how could you possibly think that anyone would discuss the real matter at hand (matchfixing), when the obvious reason for you making that blog is to show off. Also, I am a law student too, so listen to me! The funny part is he's not even a lawyer. He's just some 2nd year at a random Uni who think he's tough shit because he was top 2% of his high school (LOL). | ||
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BirdKiller
United States428 Posts
This blog more gives fuel to the argument that lawyers are worth less than doctors, scientists, and engineers. Let me a point out that you're not even a lawyer and you write as if you are one. It doesn't help you to say you were a top high school student either. Love to see how your perception changes once you get out school and face reality. | ||
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419
Russian Federation3631 Posts
The purpose of this article is to inform people not to hastily judge the players for dumping/matchfixing. The fact that you even had to write this speaks much to your concise, clear, and ~top 1% of my high school~ writing. Its not good when you're making the underpants gnomes look like reasonable fellows. Unsupported assertions, irrelevant tangents, badly executed appeals to authority, false premises -- your post has it all! I will recommend Elements of Style to fix this. Since a relative neanderthal like me (alas, I was not in the top 1% of my high school) could get through it, I am sure you will grasp the concepts within immediately. I have worked with partners and senior associates which work on mining and energy, workplace relations, arbitration and litigation work within these firms. The transactional value of the work these lawyers deal with are of hundreds of millions of dollars. They trust me with understanding these matters to a basic basic level and allow me to do research for them. Yeah, well I slept at a Holiday Inn Express last night -- I shall also claim my rightful title as an ESPORTS authority | ||
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Brett
Australia3822 Posts
Criticise all you like, but don't be silly enough to give ammunition to fire back with. | ||
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419
Russian Federation3631 Posts
As of background, I am a law student in one of Australia's leading universities. In Australia, our top law schools accept only the top 1-2% of the highest achievers from High School I am also a high achiever within the cohort of other intelligent students within our law school. But hey, maybe I'm just one of the uninformed young adults incapable of thinking rationally about situations. | ||
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TheGiftedApe
United States1243 Posts
That is a very dangerous way of thinking in life. Your basically saying, Don't care about match fixing because there is no way to control the players. This argument can be applied to anything in life though. Maybe I shouldn't drive down the street, The other drivers could lose control at any time and smash into me potentially killing me. Or I shouldn't care about baseball because the pitcher could just throw the game by throwing a poor pitch. Maybe I shouldn't Hire a lawyer because the prosecutor could be paying off my lawyer to mess up my trial and he cant be trusted. Maybe I shouldn't eat food that I didn't grow myself because someone could be poisoning it. 99% of life is not under our own control, however how I perceive it is, I choose to be atleast somewhat optimistic. So shall I just sit in my basement and never leave my home to stay safe? Your logic is frightening, disturbing and close-minded, and the fact that you are trying to force your opinion on people and claim you are more intelligent than the rest of us makes you a douche bag. As I said before There is something to be said for personal pride, and Self conscience even in 2011. Although you as a law student are around people with no human moral's doesn't mean I can't have any and the SC2 players wont. And you trying to force your opinion on me because you believe you are Smarter than me makes you an ass hole seriously go fuck yourself, I don't come into your Class Room and call you all douche bags so don't come into my hobby and call us all stupid sheep. I may be stupid in your eyes, but I remember what my grandmother taught me, If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. You could have easily made your point without calling everyone stupid in the process, in fact if you really cared about the topic and not just bragging about how great you are and how stupid the rest of us are in comparison you might have wanted to actually spell the players names right in the original post. Your other point seems to be that everything involving money makes people evil. Well I have to pay money to buy food, does mcdonalds, or any food service place actually care if I enjoy the food? no probably not, they are just providing a service to make a profit, But nonetheless I am still hungry. So is the olive garden evil? all they really want is my money. Are GMC and Toyota evil? sure they implement some safety precautions, seat belts air bags etc, but if they could get away without safety precautions and make more profits they probably would. Just because the people you fill your life with are evil and will do anything for a buck doesn't mean everyone is like that. But since most of your post is about how great you are I will sum it up with this. This is not your college thesis, this is not a board meeting at a Law Firm, This is not a scientific discussion between phd candidates. This is teamliquid.net a website about starcraft. Here we let everyone express their opinion,(as long as they can be civil) no matter what school they go/went to, or how well they did at that school. The money you might make, or your inflated sense of self worth means nothing to most people here. I am not going to respect someone just because they go to a certain institution or did well in high school. You are what you make of yourself, If all you are as a human being is a collection of achievements from school and you only feel secure to express yourself behind this veil of "I'm kind of a big deal", than you are a pretty sad individual. There is more to life than just who's name is on the top of the diploma you hang on the wall. 99.9% of people here are going to judge what you write based on what you actually write, not because of who is writing it. Next time leave out the whole I am the greatest and you are all sheep compared to me if you want to actually make a serous point, cause otherwise you are just being an ass hole. At least you started to wise up and call us "TL Readers" and not sheep, maybe think twice before hitting "Post" next time. Also I don't give a fuck about the grammatical errors I made cause i'm just trying to get a point across and not prove how big of a deal I am in japan. | ||
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leo23
United States3075 Posts
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Brett
Australia3822 Posts
On November 17 2011 09:27 419 wrote: Idk, it seems pretty heavily implied: But hey, maybe I'm just one of the uninformed young adults incapable of thinking rationally about situations. Well, it came off as if you were criticising him for making an assertion that he is so intelligent because he placed in the top 1-2% of his own high school (Which I can understand if that was what he actually said, because so placing is not necessarily even difficult... It depends on the calibre of the school). However, it seems rather obvious to me, knowing the Aussie school system and grades required to gain entry to good law schools in this country that he actually meant he placed in the top 1-2% of all students in his state for that year. Which I'm sure you'd agree is not a joke by any means. Regardless, he's still only a second year student with minimal experience and doesn't appear to recognise that there is 50-60 years worth of law graduates out in the workforce who scored just as highly in high school as he has and actually have real experience. Therefore his assertion, as a second year law student straight out of high school, that he is inside the group of top legal minds in the country is really quite hilarious. It's the sort of claim only a law student makes while they're still young and arrogant... I know because I used to think I was King Dick during law school too  .Anyway, that's just my take on things during my lunch break. | ||
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duk3
United States807 Posts
I want Bear Grylls. Additionally, you should take some writing classes. The entire section about why lawyers aren't evil basically just says how intelligent you are and how important lawyers are, which is different from stating the positive accomplishments of lawyers. | ||
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MjoLniRXx
United States84 Posts
I would like to point out to you, oh great one, that (though I am no master of this myself) you have several grammar/semantic mistakes in your English that are unbecoming of such an astute individual as yourself. Also, your analytical skills and situational depth-o-meter need a good polishing and refit because they seem to be working just about as good as the rest of us peons here in this thread. You give intelligent people a bad name by being that idiot who goes around proclaiming his intelligence through credentials and abstracts while any truly intelligent person knows that true intelligence is independent of verbal prowess and achievement. Regardless, the title of this post is "Why lawyers are important." and I fail to see how being a lawyer factors into any of this observation of the current match fixing incident. What exactly would lawyers have done? How exactly are they important when you yourself say that if laws were expressly written then match fixing would evolve into a more elaborate form? Why take up a whole page when a few paragraphs would have done? Why preface your opinion with irrelevant credentials? This is teamliquid.net, which is hosted on the internet, where you can be whoever you want.Hell, I am a 19 year old neural surgeon with a German super model wife and 3 houses in the Caribbean, and I'm still not qualified to comment on this situation. See how meaningless and pointless that is? My two cents, for whatever they are worth. | ||
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Azzur
Australia6267 Posts
Firstly, the legal profession, whilst they have served a good purpose in the past, are one of the scourges of society. One of the reasons why the USA is losing it's top dog status is because of the lawsuit (i.e. entitlement) mentality that it's citizens have. Secondly, I don't know which law school you are going to, but match fixing is illegal in any sport. Thirdly, whilst you separate legal and morality/ethics - this is a big mistake. Many things are not specified black and white in law but unethical people is a reason why society will crumble. It's a pity that govt needs to legislate things that should be common sense. Lastly, esports needs to be seen as a clean sport - where all it's players play to win (and not stuff around like Coca/Byun). The punishment is appropriate - if Coca felt he didn't need a team, he could've pressed on but that would be the end of his career because I don't think he can improve or even function without a team. | ||
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snowbird
Germany2044 Posts
thank you for the post! | ||
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13th Marine
United States344 Posts
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Gryffes
United Kingdom763 Posts
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Subversive
Australia2229 Posts
On November 17 2011 02:09 RetFan wrote: + Show Spoiler + Gmarshall, many posters such as Starstruck and Chef may not care about my credentials. They may see it as an exercise of bragging. But there are people who would love to not go through the bullshit of having to read 140 different comments with differing opinions on interpreting a simple issue. They would love someone who knows how to analyse issues logically and without bias. Not just some scrub with an opinion but someone who actually is trained in understanding legal issues. If people don't like what I have to say, then they don't need to keep reading. If people don't want to believe me, then that's fine too. Believe it or not, what I say on this forum is not about impressing people. It's not about persuading people, its about presenting my view and giving the public the view of a matter from a relatively intelligent point of view. I gain nothing here by impressing people who I will never get to meet in real life. On November 17 2011 01:39 RetFan wrote: + Show Spoiler + People complain that I brag about my credentials but they don't realise what I've had to sacrifice to attain them. It does feel good to be able to list what I've accomplished and be proud. To be reassured by people who are more successful than me that I am part of the top few thousand legal minds in the country. I want people on Team Liquid to view be able to read and TRUST my view on things so they can disregard 90% of the trash comments that are based on a biased opinion or written by adolescent kids between ages of 14-21 who have no life experience. Dude, you're opinion is not worth more than anyone elses. I don't think you have been told this enough in life. You are not special. On November 17 2011 00:47 Snuggles wrote: + Show Spoiler + Retfan as intelligent as you may be, you're an idiot for posting at TL. People aren't going to listen to you in a fair manner. These people hate being looked down upon even if you make it a point to show people that you're aren't bragging or showing off. They simply don't give a shit once someone with higher credentials comes on to the scene, they feel like their know-it-all selves are threatened because they themselves don't have any high value legitimate credentials. But I'm sure you'll realize that by the time you're done running through the comments. Fortunately I'm able to separate ego from legitimately earned credentials through hard work and a spice of talent. However, I don't know how school works over in Australia but if what you claim is correct and you're already working for great people then people here really are just mad that you are more successful than them =P. What makes people feel really insulted is the fact that you made your OP in a way that people would feel threatened because its well-written for a simple issue. That's simply how law is, simple issues get turned into overly complicated cases. It is correct but the general public hates that, that's why my wonderful country of the US of A is quite dumb when they try to act smart and assume the position of a justified crusader of morals over the legitimacy of legality. In the end really its a question of whether or not there was a clause that held the players legally responsible for match fixing and whatnot. Whether or not there was something that specifically said "No, you cannot do that". That's what I'm getting from your post. People will continue to hate on you for stupid reasons because they can't quite grasp the fact that there really are intelligent people in this world who can show off their credentials if they want to, or perhaps they can understand but just refuse to accept it =P You should have fun arguing them however, the TL community members can be wonderful balls of spiteful hate that you can toss around. No one is jealous of his credentials. He comes off as amazingly pretentious and condescending and devotes a third of a post about sc2 progaming to himself and his special qualities. It is not well-written. It is terrible writing. Tl has plenty of people with qualifications too. As a rule, we don't go around prefacing our posts with a list of our achievements, how much money we make and a ruler next to our penis. | ||
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getSome[703]
United States753 Posts
On November 16 2011 17:48 RetFan wrote: Introduction Let me start off by asking everyone a question: "If you had to choose three of four professionals listed below to bring with you to an abandoned island set up a colony. Which one would you leave out? " Your choices are: Doctor, engineer, scientist, or lawyer. Most people will ask that the lawyer be left out. Some will recite Thomas Moore's Utopia in describing lawyers as being 'evil and incapable of any acts of good'. I challenge that view. As of background, I am a law student in one of Australia's leading universities. In Australia, our top law schools accept only the top 1-2% of the highest achievers from High School. This ensures that we have lawyers and judges which reflect the brightest academic minds in the country. The high entry requirements of the top law schools ensure that most of the students admitted into our top law schools are "LESS prone" to making mistakes. Thus ensuring a fairer justice system and less decisions being arbitrarily made or which lack equity. As by way of introduction. I am also a high achiever within the cohort of other intelligent students within our law school. I have secured clerkships two years into my degree with the top four law firms in the country. I have worked with partners and senior associates which work on mining and energy, workplace relations, arbitration and litigation work within these firms. The transactional value of the work these lawyers deal with are of hundreds of millions of dollars. They trust me with understanding these matters to a basic basic level and allow me to do research for them. I will be working for one of these firms next year. Your post has strengthened my belief that indeed, the lawyer should be left out of the desert island. Congratulations on your many achievements | ||
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phiinix
United States1169 Posts
I'm going to keep this short because I heard from someone who has a top legal mind says words shouldn't be wasted. I fully disagree with your statement that "making a moral argument doesn't mean much in reality". That is one of the driving forces of all sports, and especially true in starcraft2 (due to it's lack of structure and earnings). Integrity, self respect, reputation are some of if not the most important attributes of players. Players without the fans are nothing. True athletes and entertainers know the role of fans and spectators. We pay our money and time to watch. If a league had a 50% match fixing rule, no one would watch. Even if they were fixed in a way to be more entertaining, no one willingly watches a game that isn't "live" in the sense that the next moment is unpredictable. These sound like moral issues to me. And they mean a lot. And for God's sake it's Coca, not Coco. Edit: I didn't read all the pages before and my goodness someone has an ego. Look, you're going to post your cool story credentials and then half ass an article/blog without putting substance or thought into it, don't. Throw it out. Have you heard of drafts? Yours didn't make the cut. If you're trying to stir shit up with a poorly written argument and defend it with legal jargon, you're making yourself look like more of a douche. The least you could do is clean up your post instead of defending your already dead argument. | ||
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Ercster
United States603 Posts
On November 16 2011 17:48 RetFan wrote: Introduction Let me start off by asking everyone a question: "If you had to choose three of four professionals listed below to bring with you to an abandoned island set up a colony. Which one would you leave out? " Your choices are: Doctor, engineer, scientist, or lawyer. Most people will ask that the lawyer be left out. Some will recite Thomas Moore's Utopia in describing lawyers as being 'evil and incapable of any acts of good'. I challenge that view. As of background, I am a law student in one of Australia's leading universities. In Australia, our top law schools accept only the top 1-2% of the highest achievers from High School. This ensures that we have lawyers and judges which reflect the brightest academic minds in the country. The high entry requirements of the top law schools ensure that most of the students admitted into our top law schools are "LESS prone" to making mistakes. Thus ensuring a fairer justice system and less decisions being arbitrarily made or which lack equity. As by way of introduction. I am also a high achiever within the cohort of other intelligent students within our law school. I have secured clerkships two years into my degree with the top four law firms in the country. I have worked with partners and senior associates which work on mining and energy, workplace relations, arbitration and litigation work within these firms. The transactional value of the work these lawyers deal with are of hundreds of millions of dollars. They trust me with understanding these matters to a basic basic level and allow me to do research for them. I will be working for one of these firms next year. A problem with lawyers is that they often write too much. A look at any basic court judgement will confirm this. However, please understand that none of the words I'm writing are wasted. They are not meant to show off. They are there because I want readers to understand that what I write, my analytical skills and the depth which I can view a situation is such that MOST other readers will not be able to match. This will be my job. My career path will be such that I am the one who will adjudicate disputes. Please do not feel insulted if your views have been completely disregarded by me as being incorrect. I am not trying to be pretentious. However, I also do want to make my credentials known. People would choose the the scientist, engineer, and doctor because those people could do the lawyers job as well as their own. Since grades are just arbitrary letters that don't reflect ones actual intelligence, it's meaningless to tell us that you were part of the 1-2%. I know several people, including a friend who had to teach his physics and AP chemistry class because the teacher wasn't smart enough to do so, who deserved to be in that 1-2% but weren't because they choose not to do their homework. So that 1-2% you speak of, aren't necessarily the brightest minds. Mistakes are made and will always be made regardless of how smart you are. Because you are trusted with doing research makes you smart and more deserved of being a lawyer? The problem with lawyers isn't that they write to much, it's that they are corrupt and fight for injustice by siding with criminals because they'll get a large salary for it. You mention you weren't trying to be pretentious, yet you were bragging about how "smart" you were and that you were attending one of the best law universities in Australia. NOW I'm going to a complete asshole. Someone as stupid as you doesn't deserve to be attending law school or defending the people of Australia legally. User was warned for this post | ||
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