Thoughts regarding BW and people in forums. - Page 2

On October 20 2011 06:23 PH wrote:I don't know. The retards who are still hating on BW in any way, shape, or form are either a) bitter that they never got out of D- on iccup way back in the day, or b) have never played the game. They're all retarded.

On October 20 2011 06:09 Treemonkeys wrote:
As someone who rarely goes to the BW forum, I'm quite sure the hostility goes both ways because of some people. I mean for most of the past year, you couldn't really browse the SC2 forum without running into comments saying how horrible the game is compared to BW from people who supposedly hated SC2 but where there in the SC2 forum letting everyone know.

So if you take someone with no knowledge of BW, and that is their primary exposure to it, I think it's easy to see why the problem the OP is talking about exists.

I can't help but feel this is largely driven by BW players being disappointed by SC2, and then further disappointed that other people are actually enjoying SC2, so they take it upon themselves to let everyone know what an inferior product it is.

Like I said I don't really browse the BW forum often, so maybe SC2 players are just as bad there, but that's my side of it.

Also the stereotyping gets annoying. I played BW 15 years ago when I was in high school, basically half a lifetime ago. I got in SC2 because of that, and I actually think it is a better game. Better to play, but waaaaay better to watch.

On October 20 2011 06:09 Treemonkeys wrote:
As someone who rarely goes to the BW forum, I'm quite sure the hostility goes both ways because of some people. I mean for most of the past year, you couldn't really browse the SC2 forum without running into comments saying how horrible the game is compared to BW from people who supposedly hated SC2 but where there in the SC2 forum letting everyone know.

So if you take someone with no knowledge of BW, and that is their primary exposure to it, I think it's easy to see why the problem the OP is talking about exists.

I can't help but feel this is largely driven by BW players being disappointed by SC2, and then further disappointed that other people are actually enjoying SC2, so they take it upon themselves to let everyone know what an inferior product it is.

Like I said I don't really browse the BW forum often, so maybe SC2 players are just as bad there, but that's my side of it.

Also the stereotyping gets annoying. I played BW 15 years ago when I was in high school, basically half a lifetime ago. I got in SC2 because of that, and I actually think it is a better game. Better to play, but waaaaay better to watch.

On October 20 2011 06:23 PH wrote:
You see a lot less of the kind of sentiment the OP described. Nazgul and some of the other moderators cracked down quite hard when anti-BW feelings were at their peak around nine months or so ago.

There's still enough of it for me to largely be sick of this website. I used to live here, but after SC2 rolled out, the quality of the community really has gone down. SC2 brought in a TON of people to TL, and with a huge influx of people, you're going to get idiots and trolls no matter how hard you try to moderate them.

I mean...I like SC2. It's a fun and easy game to play. Matchmaking is an incredible tool. I hated getting kicked from 9/10 rooms on iccup and having to spam in chatrooms for ten minutes to get a game in -_-.

The thing is, I just don't think it holds as much as a candle to BW. Sure, SC2 hasn't had the time to mature as BW has, but I just don't see the fundamentals of SC2 lending it the longevity or diversity BW still has. I don't like automine, I don't like unlimited unit selection, and I don't like MBS. Those UI limitations really set apart the great players from the mediocre ones, and I think that's something really important. I also really miss the old defender's advantage in BW. Nowadays, games are over too quickly, and that's boring too. Seeing Bo3s for everything gets a little old. This is all just my view on things, though.

I don't know. The retards who are still hating on BW in any way, shape, or form are either a) bitter that they never got out of D- on iccup way back in the day, or b) have never played the game. They're all retarded.

I do have a bit of old-timer elitism in me, though. I've been around for nearly four years now, which isn't nearly as long as the real old-timers, but just enough for me to get nostalgic for the pre-SC2 days. ):

On October 20 2011 06:30 PH wrote:

I don't think anyone from the "SC2" crowd dares go post negatively in the BW forums anymore. They will get a text format shitstorm thrown at them, and probably a temp ban from a mod. The BW forums are bad enough as it is with just the depressing news getting thrown around all the time now. The last thing we need are trolls and idiots wishing death on this game of games.

You are right in that the conflict goes both ways, though. To be fair, however, SC2 is a sequel to BW whether you like it or not, and the BW community basically saw wave after wave of disappointment as more information about SC2 was released way back when. It may have largely been undue cynicism and neophobia, but regardless, the game really is entirely new. It has very few of the things that made BW an amazing game and really allowed it to have the longevity it did.

For a community that had lived and breathed BW for nearly ten years at the time, you have to admit that SC2 being the game it is (one so different at even fundamental levels) was going to cause this kind of disappointed sentiment from the BW crowd.

On October 20 2011 06:44 Treemonkeys wrote:
Yeah I agree it was inevitable, that much change will always bring controversy regardless of if it is actually good or bad. The meta game in BW is better to watch though, for sure, but SC2 will get there, we already see it getting there (BW was a rush fest back when I played it actually). I think things like auto-mine and being able to hotkey multiple macro buildings are good because in BW those are "you have to play it to understand/care" types of things. SC2 does a better job of presenting what the player is actually doing to the spectator, and if it is still being played 10 years from now the time and energy saved from the easier interface will bring more micro and multitasking than was even possible for BW.

If you look at it from the perspective of there being an absolute limit of how fast a human can be, how many tasks they can juggle (regardless of that limit being unknown and different for the individual) given enough time and competition, they will reach that limit - without spending a chunk of it on building units and telling workers to mine. Pretty exciting future for SC2, just my 2 cents.

I played BW 15 years ago when I was in high school, basically half a lifetime ago.

On October 20 2011 04:25 kainzero wrote:

They're not the best RTS players in the world.
They're the best BW players in the world. And I really wish people would get over this distinction.

It's the same with real sports.
There is no "best athlete ever."

There is also BeSt but he sucks.

On October 20 2011 11:17 TheButtonmen wrote:
I blame Intrigue, his Final Edit was one of the worst things to happen to the community in the time I've been here.

On October 20 2011 11:37 Probulous wrote:


You mean since December last year?

Just kidding I've been here less time and thought the article needed a little more tact. There have been far worse threads on the site though. Intrique was simply tapping into a feeling that was and is prevalent. Be that fair or not.