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On October 19 2011 00:41 Boonbag wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 00:36 aimless wrote:On October 19 2011 00:32 Boonbag wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On October 19 2011 00:30 aimless wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 00:20 Djzapz wrote:On October 19 2011 00:03 Vul wrote:On October 18 2011 23:51 Djzapz wrote:On October 18 2011 23:45 Ryalnos wrote:On October 18 2011 23:24 Hawk wrote:On October 18 2011 22:54 Cascade wrote:Well, all these kinds of protests are about getting attention/raising awareness or whatever you want to call, rather than actually providing a proper argument. And in that she seems to be doing a good job, seeing how you made a thread about it.  I guess you and most of the 228 viewers of this blog at some point spent at least a few seconds considering where they stand in the abortion question. Which was exactly what she wanted.  ding ding ding Now as stupid as her stance is on the matter (free choice!), if she really wanted to go do something that's gonna catch everyone's eye and make a scene, she and her buddies should have bought a whole bunch of baby dolls, threw them in a big garbage can and left it in the most highly trafficked intersection in the school with the website stickers all over the can. Instant publicity. Damn amateurs. I should just become a protest organizer. I know how to make a scene. Her stance on the matter is not 'stupid', don't be an idiot. It is a reasonable conclusion from a different set of initial assumptions and priorities. Owning slaves is a good idea if the priority is making money. Reasonable conclusions are not so great when the premises are disgusting. Keep in mind though that you hold your beliefs about slavery because "certain initial assumptions and priorities" have also changed, over time, in the culture in which you live. In a different era, your conclusion about slavery would also not be reasonable in the same way, because people's assumptions about what equality means did not extend to minorities. I'm aware. I have absolutely no contempt for Aristotle even though he wasn't bothered by slavery at the time. It was perfectly normal back then. I guess I wouldn't call the girl stupid for being an "activist" against abortion... I would definitely say, however, that she's of questionable morality. I question the morality of basically everyone who are arguing that a mass of biological stuff which we can produce absurdly easily should be looked at in high regard simply because of a borderline religious admiration for said biomass.Obviously, none of us (provided we're sane) are like "yay abortion is awesome". It's an unfortunate reality, but thanks science for this procedure which helps women - people with actual emotions, who perhaps have been trying to cope with having been raped 9 months before... What? It's not a "mass of biological stuff". Abortion happens after conception. It's the start of a new organism's life cycle. And that isn't a religious concept, that's basic science. How you feel about killing the organism at that point is your business, but I don't think you should question her morality on skewed assumptions about religion. Bacterias also do have a life cycle. Yes. Yes they do. I'm not sure where you're going with that. Because I don't think anyone questions the morality of killing bacteria. Bacteria don't grow into people, so having a different moral stance on them isn't necessarily wrong. you're actually wrong we grew out from bacterias long long ago concepts attached the word "life" are as diverse as the world is it's actually fun to notice that most common people that are pro life are usually religious bigots and also for the death penalty
Okay. Forever ago, we were bacteria. But that is so irrelevent to anything I'm going to ignore it. Now that humans are a distinct, thinking species, we can govern ourselves with a set of guidelines. We will call those "morals". For practicality purposes, we'll just talk about morals that affect us, since we are the most sentient species we know of.
Life begins at conception is a scientific statement. It's just a fact of the human life cycle. I cannot explain it any more simply than that. Every choice made to that organism falls under morality. Morality can be based on religion, but it doesn't have to be. Don't bring religion into an argument that doesn't need it.
This has nothing to do with religion. Stop implying that I'm a bigot. That's just rude.
Also, I am opposed to the death penality. But that's so far off topic.
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On October 19 2011 00:52 Boonbag wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 00:50 unichan wrote:On October 19 2011 00:46 Boonbag wrote:On October 19 2011 00:44 unichan wrote:On October 19 2011 00:40 RubiksCube wrote:On October 19 2011 00:35 unichan wrote:
I hate this argument lol, other people have differing opinions on when life starts - just because the mass of cells can't feel or think or anything doesn't mean it's not alive to some people ~_~. Personally I changed my stance to neutral on this issue to avoid the shitstorm, but if you're a pro lifer on TL (or anywhere on the internet, really) you're going to have a hard time. Political discussions on the internet are dumb imo because the discussions will usually be 95% liberal
I don't know why everyone thinks the girl wearing duct tape on her mouth is stupid, she's doing something for a cause that she cares about. Even if you don't think it's effective, this thread proves that it is. It's like someone wearing an ugly jacket - if you don't like it, ignore it. It's not going to interfere with your life unless you let it.
Edit: Also I know plenty of athiest pro-lifers, it's not just some religious thing No, it doesn't. I proves that people have opinions and it makes people think about their stance on the subject. It does not get HER point across, though. Unless she tells everyone the context (as in she silences her voice, because so many babies have had their voice silence by being aborted) it doesn't do anything to convice anyone about pro-life, all it does is stir up discussion. Yeah, it stirred up discussion on a site of male liberals so obviously no one is going to be turned to her point of view - but what if it started discussion somewhere else where there wasn't as obvious of a bias? My point is, lay off the poor girl, she isn't doing anything wrong. Talking about abortion rights on a site of male liberals is completely pointless and is just going to cause a bunch of guys reinforcing each others views and patting each other on the back and collectively jumping on and tearing apart anyone who comes in with an opposing view. what the fuck ? you actually know generations of women fought to get this right ? ofc what she is doing is wrong Just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't mean they are wrong. I'm sure generations of Kim Jong Ils fought for dictatorship or whatever is going on in North Korea too, but I'm not wrong because I don't support that. Anyways I do support abortion rights, but everyone should have to pay for their own abortion fully and it should be regulated - kind of like what OmniEulogy said, but more relaxed your comparison is sure right on the spot
Sorry you have a hard time dealing with people disagreeing with you
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I like you Sm3agol.
If you don't take the rape pill, get a free rape baby that'll mess up your body while you're psychologically messed up giving painful birth to a rape-baby!
Seems cruel.
I like that abortion is fine if it's done with a pill even though the potential baby is just as much of a potential baby when it's an early fetus.
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what a mish mash of narrowed conceptions
not a single thing you've said makes any sense
"its just a fact"
yeah
got another fact for you, how can you tell the hands u use to type are really yours ?
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On October 19 2011 00:57 unichan wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 00:52 Boonbag wrote:On October 19 2011 00:50 unichan wrote:On October 19 2011 00:46 Boonbag wrote:On October 19 2011 00:44 unichan wrote:On October 19 2011 00:40 RubiksCube wrote:On October 19 2011 00:35 unichan wrote:
I hate this argument lol, other people have differing opinions on when life starts - just because the mass of cells can't feel or think or anything doesn't mean it's not alive to some people ~_~. Personally I changed my stance to neutral on this issue to avoid the shitstorm, but if you're a pro lifer on TL (or anywhere on the internet, really) you're going to have a hard time. Political discussions on the internet are dumb imo because the discussions will usually be 95% liberal
I don't know why everyone thinks the girl wearing duct tape on her mouth is stupid, she's doing something for a cause that she cares about. Even if you don't think it's effective, this thread proves that it is. It's like someone wearing an ugly jacket - if you don't like it, ignore it. It's not going to interfere with your life unless you let it.
Edit: Also I know plenty of athiest pro-lifers, it's not just some religious thing No, it doesn't. I proves that people have opinions and it makes people think about their stance on the subject. It does not get HER point across, though. Unless she tells everyone the context (as in she silences her voice, because so many babies have had their voice silence by being aborted) it doesn't do anything to convice anyone about pro-life, all it does is stir up discussion. Yeah, it stirred up discussion on a site of male liberals so obviously no one is going to be turned to her point of view - but what if it started discussion somewhere else where there wasn't as obvious of a bias? My point is, lay off the poor girl, she isn't doing anything wrong. Talking about abortion rights on a site of male liberals is completely pointless and is just going to cause a bunch of guys reinforcing each others views and patting each other on the back and collectively jumping on and tearing apart anyone who comes in with an opposing view. what the fuck ? you actually know generations of women fought to get this right ? ofc what she is doing is wrong Just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't mean they are wrong. I'm sure generations of Kim Jong Ils fought for dictatorship or whatever is going on in North Korea too, but I'm not wrong because I don't support that. Anyways I do support abortion rights, but everyone should have to pay for their own abortion fully and it should be regulated - kind of like what OmniEulogy said, but more relaxed your comparison is sure right on the spot Sorry you have a hard time dealing with people disagreeing with you
of course I do if these very people are trying to take away from me some of my rights
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Abortion should only happen in cases of: rape, risk of the mother dying or impracticality of having a baby in the mother's life situation. 'Just not wanting a baby' is not a valid excuse., You should've thought of that before having sex, or at least used a morning after pill.
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On October 19 2011 00:58 Djzapz wrote:
I like you Sm3agol.
If you don't take the rape pill, get a free rape baby that'll mess up your body while you're psychologically messed up giving painful birth to a rape-baby!
Seems cruel.
I like that abortion is fine if it's done with a pill even though the potential baby is just as much of a potential baby when it's an early fetus.
Or let's hear it from the babies perspective, it sounds much nicer that way.
"My mother was raped by a random idiot, so that means I have to die."
And "the pill" is infinitely more justifiable because the baby at that point is completely unable to survive on it's own, regardless of anything we could do. Hence I could understand putting it to the mother's choice at that point in it's life.
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On October 19 2011 00:59 Boonbag wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 00:57 unichan wrote:On October 19 2011 00:52 Boonbag wrote:On October 19 2011 00:50 unichan wrote:On October 19 2011 00:46 Boonbag wrote:On October 19 2011 00:44 unichan wrote:On October 19 2011 00:40 RubiksCube wrote:On October 19 2011 00:35 unichan wrote:
I hate this argument lol, other people have differing opinions on when life starts - just because the mass of cells can't feel or think or anything doesn't mean it's not alive to some people ~_~. Personally I changed my stance to neutral on this issue to avoid the shitstorm, but if you're a pro lifer on TL (or anywhere on the internet, really) you're going to have a hard time. Political discussions on the internet are dumb imo because the discussions will usually be 95% liberal
I don't know why everyone thinks the girl wearing duct tape on her mouth is stupid, she's doing something for a cause that she cares about. Even if you don't think it's effective, this thread proves that it is. It's like someone wearing an ugly jacket - if you don't like it, ignore it. It's not going to interfere with your life unless you let it.
Edit: Also I know plenty of athiest pro-lifers, it's not just some religious thing No, it doesn't. I proves that people have opinions and it makes people think about their stance on the subject. It does not get HER point across, though. Unless she tells everyone the context (as in she silences her voice, because so many babies have had their voice silence by being aborted) it doesn't do anything to convice anyone about pro-life, all it does is stir up discussion. Yeah, it stirred up discussion on a site of male liberals so obviously no one is going to be turned to her point of view - but what if it started discussion somewhere else where there wasn't as obvious of a bias? My point is, lay off the poor girl, she isn't doing anything wrong. Talking about abortion rights on a site of male liberals is completely pointless and is just going to cause a bunch of guys reinforcing each others views and patting each other on the back and collectively jumping on and tearing apart anyone who comes in with an opposing view. what the fuck ? you actually know generations of women fought to get this right ? ofc what she is doing is wrong Just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't mean they are wrong. I'm sure generations of Kim Jong Ils fought for dictatorship or whatever is going on in North Korea too, but I'm not wrong because I don't support that. Anyways I do support abortion rights, but everyone should have to pay for their own abortion fully and it should be regulated - kind of like what OmniEulogy said, but more relaxed your comparison is sure right on the spot Sorry you have a hard time dealing with people disagreeing with you of course I do if these very people are trying to take away from me some of my rights
Like other people have said, you don't deserve those rights because people also have responsibilities. Use a condom.
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On some epic day, G. Carlin wrote:
Why, why, why is it that the people that are against abortion are people you wouldn't want to fuck anyways?
Pro life isn't pro life. It's anti woman. It's anti rights. It's morally corrupt.
How come when it's us, it's an abortion, but when it's a chicken- it's an omelette!
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On October 19 2011 01:02 Thorakh wrote:
Abortion should only happen in cases of: rape, risk of the mother dying or impracticality of having a baby in the mother's life situation. 'Just not wanting a baby' is not a valid excuse., You should've thought of that before having sex, or at least used a morning after pill.
How's a pill abortion better than a surgical abortion?
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On October 19 2011 01:02 Sm3agol wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 00:58 Djzapz wrote:
I like you Sm3agol.
If you don't take the rape pill, get a free rape baby that'll mess up your body while you're psychologically messed up giving painful birth to a rape-baby!
Seems cruel.
I like that abortion is fine if it's done with a pill even though the potential baby is just as much of a potential baby when it's an early fetus. Or let's hear it from the babies perspective, it sounds much nicer that way. "My mother was raped by a random idiot, so that means I have to die." And "the pill" is infinitely more justifiable because the baby at that point is completely unable to survive on it's own, regardless of anything we could do. Hence I could understand putting it to the mother's choice at that point in it's life.
foetus don't have any perspective but their own self developpement
bacterias are usually the same
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On October 19 2011 01:03 Probe1 wrote:Show nested quote +On some epic day, G. Carlin wrote:
Why, why, why is it that the people that are against abortion are people you wouldn't want to fuck anyways? Pro life isn't pro life. It's anti woman. It's anti rights. It's morally corrupt. Show nested quote +How come when it's us, it's an abortion, but when it's a chicken- it's an omelette!
Chickens are just as tasty. Plus, the eggs are still unfertilized 99% of the time. Good try though.
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On October 19 2011 01:02 Sm3agol wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 00:58 Djzapz wrote:
I like you Sm3agol.
If you don't take the rape pill, get a free rape baby that'll mess up your body while you're psychologically messed up giving painful birth to a rape-baby!
Seems cruel.
I like that abortion is fine if it's done with a pill even though the potential baby is just as much of a potential baby when it's an early fetus. Or let's hear it from the babies perspective, it sounds much nicer that way. "My mother was raped by a random idiot, so that means I have to die." And "the pill" is infinitely more justifiable because the baby at that point is completely unable to survive on it's own, regardless of anything we could do. Hence I could understand putting it to the mother's choice at that point in it's life.
Which baby?
Let's hear it from this other baby. My dad fapped in a sock, so I have to die. You genocidal maniac Sm3agol.
I can guarantee you that 3 months fetuses are just as likely to survive as your sticky socks.
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On October 19 2011 01:03 Boonbag wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 01:02 Sm3agol wrote:On October 19 2011 00:58 Djzapz wrote:
I like you Sm3agol.
If you don't take the rape pill, get a free rape baby that'll mess up your body while you're psychologically messed up giving painful birth to a rape-baby!
Seems cruel.
I like that abortion is fine if it's done with a pill even though the potential baby is just as much of a potential baby when it's an early fetus. Or let's hear it from the babies perspective, it sounds much nicer that way. "My mother was raped by a random idiot, so that means I have to die." And "the pill" is infinitely more justifiable because the baby at that point is completely unable to survive on it's own, regardless of anything we could do. Hence I could understand putting it to the mother's choice at that point in it's life. foetus don't have any perspective but their own self developpement bacterias are usually the same
Bacteria will never develop that perspective. A fetus is merely 9 months away from that perspective.
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On October 19 2011 01:05 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 01:02 Sm3agol wrote:On October 19 2011 00:58 Djzapz wrote:
I like you Sm3agol.
If you don't take the rape pill, get a free rape baby that'll mess up your body while you're psychologically messed up giving painful birth to a rape-baby!
Seems cruel.
I like that abortion is fine if it's done with a pill even though the potential baby is just as much of a potential baby when it's an early fetus. Or let's hear it from the babies perspective, it sounds much nicer that way. "My mother was raped by a random idiot, so that means I have to die." And "the pill" is infinitely more justifiable because the baby at that point is completely unable to survive on it's own, regardless of anything we could do. Hence I could understand putting it to the mother's choice at that point in it's life. Which baby? Let's hear it from this other baby. My dad fapped in a sock, so I have to die. You genocidal maniac Sm3agol. I can guarantee you that 3 months fetuses are just as likely to survive as your sticky socks.
If your Dad is fapping into socks with unfertilized eggs in it, then he might have more serious issues we might want to talk about.
And you clearly read my post VERY well.
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On October 19 2011 01:05 Sm3agol wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 01:03 Boonbag wrote:On October 19 2011 01:02 Sm3agol wrote:On October 19 2011 00:58 Djzapz wrote:
I like you Sm3agol.
If you don't take the rape pill, get a free rape baby that'll mess up your body while you're psychologically messed up giving painful birth to a rape-baby!
Seems cruel.
I like that abortion is fine if it's done with a pill even though the potential baby is just as much of a potential baby when it's an early fetus. Or let's hear it from the babies perspective, it sounds much nicer that way. "My mother was raped by a random idiot, so that means I have to die." And "the pill" is infinitely more justifiable because the baby at that point is completely unable to survive on it's own, regardless of anything we could do. Hence I could understand putting it to the mother's choice at that point in it's life. foetus don't have any perspective but their own self developpement bacterias are usually the same Bacteria will never develop that perspective. A fetus is merely 9 months away from that perspective.
Well not if you take the morning after pill.
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On October 19 2011 01:06 Sm3agol wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 01:05 Djzapz wrote:On October 19 2011 01:02 Sm3agol wrote:On October 19 2011 00:58 Djzapz wrote:
I like you Sm3agol.
If you don't take the rape pill, get a free rape baby that'll mess up your body while you're psychologically messed up giving painful birth to a rape-baby!
Seems cruel.
I like that abortion is fine if it's done with a pill even though the potential baby is just as much of a potential baby when it's an early fetus. Or let's hear it from the babies perspective, it sounds much nicer that way. "My mother was raped by a random idiot, so that means I have to die." And "the pill" is infinitely more justifiable because the baby at that point is completely unable to survive on it's own, regardless of anything we could do. Hence I could understand putting it to the mother's choice at that point in it's life. Which baby? Let's hear it from this other baby. My dad fapped in a sock, so I have to die. You genocidal maniac Sm3agol. If your Dad is fapping into socks with unfertilized eggs in it, then he might have more serious issues we might want to talk about.
oh so you also have your views on sexual disorders ?
good good
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On October 19 2011 00:58 Boonbag wrote:
got another fact for you, how can you tell the hands u use to type are really yours ?
Just for the record, that is a question, not a fact.
And the turn this blog took! :o Crazy! OP, go tell the girl about this blog, and make her post (unless her silence-day forbids her...). :D
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On October 19 2011 01:07 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 01:05 Sm3agol wrote:On October 19 2011 01:03 Boonbag wrote:On October 19 2011 01:02 Sm3agol wrote:On October 19 2011 00:58 Djzapz wrote:
I like you Sm3agol.
If you don't take the rape pill, get a free rape baby that'll mess up your body while you're psychologically messed up giving painful birth to a rape-baby!
Seems cruel.
I like that abortion is fine if it's done with a pill even though the potential baby is just as much of a potential baby when it's an early fetus. Or let's hear it from the babies perspective, it sounds much nicer that way. "My mother was raped by a random idiot, so that means I have to die." And "the pill" is infinitely more justifiable because the baby at that point is completely unable to survive on it's own, regardless of anything we could do. Hence I could understand putting it to the mother's choice at that point in it's life. foetus don't have any perspective but their own self developpement bacterias are usually the same Bacteria will never develop that perspective. A fetus is merely 9 months away from that perspective. Well not if you take the morning after pill.
if the mother were to die, it wouldn't either.
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On October 19 2011 01:07 Cascade wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 00:58 Boonbag wrote:
got another fact for you, how can you tell the hands u use to type are really yours ? Just for the record, that is a question, not a fact. And the turn this blog took! :o Crazy! OP, go tell the girl about this blog, and make her post (unless her silence-day forbids her...). :D
the fact is you have no way to actually tell they are
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