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On November 04 2011 08:04 Ir0nClad wrote:I was pro-choice about 2 weeks ago around the time of this posting. I figured, it's her mind her body, and what about in the cases of rape or incest or something like that? Then I saw this and I am now pro-life: http://www.180movie.com
Posts like this should get a ban.
User was warned for this post
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On November 04 2011 08:19 Ph4ZeD wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 08:04 Ir0nClad wrote:I was pro-choice about 2 weeks ago around the time of this posting. I figured, it's her mind her body, and what about in the cases of rape or incest or something like that? Then I saw this and I am now pro-life: http://www.180movie.com Unintelligent shockumentaries do not contribute to an intelligent discussion.
What in the movie wasn't intelligent?
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If you don't like abortion, and you get pregnant, don't get an abortion.
If you don't like abortion, and someone else gets pregant, its NONE OF YOUR FUCKING BUSINESS WHAT THEY DECIDE TO DO, SO SHUT THE FUCK UP AND GO AWAY.
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On November 04 2011 08:24 ch33psh33p wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 08:04 Ir0nClad wrote:I was pro-choice about 2 weeks ago around the time of this posting. I figured, it's her mind her body, and what about in the cases of rape or incest or something like that? Then I saw this and I am now pro-life: http://www.180movie.com Posts like this should get a ban.
I agree. But the video did give me a really good laugh ^ ^
I am very very pro-choice and think it's hilarious when people do ridiculous things about this. I am actually jealous I never get to see religious nuts or extremely passionate people like this where I live. Maybe one day...
But uhhh yeah I think she's nuts. Isn't always a bad thing though
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On November 04 2011 10:31 Dhalphir wrote:
If you don't like abortion, and you get pregnant, don't get an abortion.
If you don't like abortion, and someone else gets pregant, its NONE OF YOUR FUCKING BUSINESS WHAT THEY DECIDE TO DO, SO SHUT THE FUCK UP AND GO AWAY.
With that logic, it's none of my business to know or care if someone decides to murder you and your family, steals your belongings, or rapes your mom, sister, or daughter.
It's OK for someone to decide to sexually assault another when...
It's OK for someone to rob a bank when...
It's OK for a mom to kill their newborn baby when...
It's OK for a mom to kill their unborn baby when...
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On November 04 2011 08:04 Ir0nClad wrote:I was pro-choice about 2 weeks ago around the time of this posting. I figured, it's her mind her body, and what about in the cases of rape or incest or something like that? Then I saw this and I am now pro-life: http://www.180movie.com
lol
this jumps the shark even before the halfway point by invoking Godwin's. The whole thing is such a hilarious self-caricature; it's as if it doesn't want people to take it seriously.
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On October 18 2011 22:12 Polemos wrote:
Today in school, a female classmate of mine has duct tape over her face, not speaking out because she is so against abortion. I find this pretty ridiculous. A few people not talking for a day can be a nice relief. An overbearing, loudmouth teenager isn't talking. I really don't this an effective method.
Honestly, what is a few people not talking going to do for the controversy that is abortion in the U.S? Can someone please tell me what not talking is going to do for abortion? Sure, she can express what she believes in, but where is the practicality in this?
You know, there are plenty of other groups out there that use silent protests. What if I were to use your post in context of the national day of silence for the LGBTA community? Let's examine what that would look like in your post:
"Today in school, a female classmate of mine has duct tape over her face, not speaking because she is so against anti-LGBTA actions. I find this pretty riciculous. A few people not talking for a day can be a nice relief. An overbearing, loudmouth teenager isn't talking.......
Honestly, what is a few people not talking going to do for the controversy that is LGBTA bullying an name-calling in the U.S.?...Sure, she can express what she believes in, but where is the practicality in this?"
I did my undergrad at a very liberal campus and if I had said this at, say, the LGBTA planning meeting I'd probably be labelled as against their cause and probably ejected from the meeting.
I get your post, though. It seems counter-intuitive that someone would "speak up" for their cause by not speaking, but I think they're going for a showing of solidarity. I know many people at my old school that took comfort in the day of silence turnout just in knowing 40-50 people were on their side. What if there was a pro-life person at your school who was afraid to "come out of the closet" (as it were)? Would not the three students duct taping their mouths show that person they're not alone (albeit still a minority)?
Honestly, if you're so upset by a pro-life silent protest then why not organize a pro-choice rally where you can protest the opposition in a manner you deem meaningful? It seems a lot more productive than stirring up a TL hornets nest...
+ Show Spoiler +Honestly, I don't know why I even gave you a longer response. You clearly don't like her, so the post is already fraught with discord. If I didn't know any better I'd say you were a clever troll.
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On November 04 2011 13:04 koreasilver wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 08:04 Ir0nClad wrote:I was pro-choice about 2 weeks ago around the time of this posting. I figured, it's her mind her body, and what about in the cases of rape or incest or something like that? Then I saw this and I am now pro-life: http://www.180movie.com lol this jumps the shark even before the halfway point by invoking Godwin's. The whole thing is such a hilarious self-caricature; it's as if it doesn't want people to take it seriously.
It's funny you bring up Godwin's law.
Godwin himself posted this in 2008 to explain why he created Godwin's law. You see, Godwin has a healthy respect for what happened in Nazi Germany:
Although deliberately framed as if it were a law of nature or of mathematics, its purpose has always been rhetorical and pedagogical: I wanted folks who glibly compared someone else to Hitler or to Nazis to think a bit harder about the Holocaust.
I had grown up with a pop-culture knowledge of World War II, and I had even seen many of the photos of the death camps, with their emaciated bodies stacked like cordwood and the haunted, piercing eyes of the skeletal inmates who survived. But Levi's writings brought the experience home to me—they helped me understand better what the experience must have been like for prisoners.
Their consistent pattern of humiliating and dehumanizing Jews and other perceived enemies of the Nazi state—both before sending them to the camps and after they arrived—told me that, on some level, they recognized that what they were doing was a crime against humanity. Hence their psychological need to make their victims seem less human before exterminating them.
What in the 180 movie was glib or had an irreverence to the people who died or experienced those times of Nazi Germany? It was a dissemination of events so the viewer can empathize with human suffering, particularly with Jews who died in the Holocaust. Then it swings to the subject of abortion and appeals to the same empathy.
The psychological need to dismiss a fetus as just a bag of cells rather than a human life is a way for someone to cope with what they instinctively know. Why else do we have the debate about the fetus becoming human life before or after 20 weeks?
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On November 04 2011 08:04 Ir0nClad wrote:I was pro-choice about 2 weeks ago around the time of this posting. I figured, it's her mind her body, and what about in the cases of rape or incest or something like that? Then I saw this and I am now pro-life: http://www.180movie.com
I couldn't even make it past the Hitler point before closing the video. It goes on forever without coming to the point. I assume he somehow ties it to abortion in the end. He is an idiot for doing so.
If something like this really changed your views on abortion, then you probably haven't thought deeply about the subject enough to even be able to say that you had a view in the first place.
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TIL that it is possible to google what Godwin's law is and yet still completely misunderstand it.
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On November 04 2011 13:39 Newbistic wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 08:04 Ir0nClad wrote:I was pro-choice about 2 weeks ago around the time of this posting. I figured, it's her mind her body, and what about in the cases of rape or incest or something like that? Then I saw this and I am now pro-life: http://www.180movie.com I couldn't even make it past the Hitler point before closing the video. It goes on forever without coming to the point. I assume he somehow ties it to abortion in the end. He is an idiot for doing so. If something like this really changed your views on abortion, then you probably haven't thought deeply about the subject enough to even be able to say that you had a view in the first place.
My wife and I have two young children - both under five, and a third on the way. My wife has had 4 miscarriages ranging from 7 weeks, up to 21 weeks. We have friends who all have young children, one couple of which has lost their son in an accident.
I am totally heart-broken for my friends, and I can't imagine going through that with one of my own kids, but I didn't feel the same way when my wife had a miscarriage.
We had plans to enjoy life for a while before having kids. Our first happened while she was on the pill, and we didn't want another child for a couple of years, so we got an IUD. After 8 months of using the device, it came to our attention of what an IUD actually does - that it starves the embryo by stripping the uterine wall. We talked and debated about it for a few weeks, and I still wasn't convinced, but I decided that there had been enough time between kids and it didn't really matter at that point.
I can pull up the research and provide links here if you want, or you can google the IUD debate for yourself, but you probably don't care enough either way.
I'm a libertarian, a Ron Paul fan, hate big government, and I don't like government telling me what I should and shouldn't do - including telling me or my wife that an abortion is or isn't allowed. That said, we are still a country made up of individuals, whose individual decisions are what impact the whole, whose moral conscience decides what is or isn't allowed. I've done research, I've experienced the loss of 4 unborn babies, although out of our control, and experienced the death of a child that I've known personally. It took the correlation of information about the events of the Holocaust, not used as a means to distract from an argument where it's introduction had no relevance, but to have empathy for situations where I naturally detach myself to avoid having to face the truth - that I have lost a child, and it was easier for me to dismiss them as a bag of cells.
I probably haven't done research enough to have an opinion in the first place? Why are you pro-choice? Why do you think Ray Comfort an idiot for comparing the Holocaust of Jews in Germany and the Holocaust of unborn babies?
Honestly, not out of jest, or rhetorical: What situation is it OK for a baby to be aborted?
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On November 04 2011 13:44 koreasilver wrote:
TIL that it is possible to google what Godwin's law is and yet still completely misunderstand it.
Did you even read my post? You are the one with a misunderstanding.
The movie addresses the point of the OP:
Honestly, what is a few people not talking going to do for the controversy that is abortion in the U.S? Can someone please tell me what not talking is going to do for abortion? Sure, she can express what she believes in, but where is the practicality in this?
His point being that not talking as a stance of the baby doesn't really have an effect on the issue. The movie is a dissemination of events so the viewer can empathize with human suffering, particularly with Jews who died in the Holocaust. Then it swings to the subject of abortion and appeals to the same empathy.
A very practical way to express what he believes in.
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The more these debates go on the more radical each side becomes as each pits more ridiculous scenarios and questions in order to somehow persuade the other from jumping over no man's land to the other trench.
Honestly, have you ever seen any such debate end with "I see your point, and I am ashamed I never thought like this, I am now pro-choice/life."?
Anyhow, I'm of the belief that since a fetus can't feel, it's okay to abort. If the mother wanted to abort the baby it can more or less be assumed that she will not be as good a parent as otherwise, so the fetus will be better off aborted than born to live out a crap life.
Moreover, overpopulation is a big issue for the world, and being alive isn't all as rosy as pro-lifers seem to make it out to be. In the grand scheme of things, allowing abortions make the world a better place (not for the fetus, obviously, but that's the price), more prosperity, more productivity as a result of unwilling parents being able to work/consume, and finally, less crime (see Dubner/Levitt, Freakonomics).
That said, I am a cold, heartless economist, I don't trouble myself too much with moral or ethical considerations.
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Anti abortion people not talking for once sounds like a good day to me!
A girl I know posted some shit about abortion being baby killing on fb a while ago. I told her that they aren't actually babies until a certain time, they are just cells, and that by he logic every time i bust a nut millions of babies are killed. Some old fucker tried to say "maybe you should learn some science before you kill babies" I looked at his page and noticed he was a christian. And I said, "lol a christian telling me to use science."
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All I took away from that documentary is that Steven the mohawk guy is a fuckin' baller.
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On November 04 2011 16:05 Mobius_1 wrote:
Honestly, have you ever seen any such debate end with "I see your point, and I am ashamed I never thought like this, I am now pro-choice/life."?
Not exactly, but I had one that changed my approach to the issue.
A few years ago there was an abortion "debate" at our dining hall table. There were about five people involved, though everyone was waiting for my friend and me to chime in since we were the most outspoken pro-life and pro-choice people there. When we finally broke our silence this is how it went:
Me: I'm pro life because I don't believe women should have the right to end abort a pregnancy.
Friend: I'm pro-choice because I'm a guy and have no right weighing in on a women's right issue.
Me: You know what, there's probably nothing you can say to change my mind.
Friend: Me neither. Let's agree to disagree!
Me: Done!
And then we shook hands. The table applauded. The conversation was abruptly dropped. This is probably the best scenario one could hope for.
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