EPTOn October 19 2011 01:07 Sm3agol wrote:
if the mother were to die, it wouldn't either.
if the mother were to die, it wouldn't either.
Where's the substance been in your last few responses where you were checkmated?
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Djzapz
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Where's the substance been in your last few responses where you were checkmated? User was warned for this post | ||
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aimless
United States57 Posts
On October 19 2011 00:58 Boonbag wrote: what a mish mash of narrowed conceptions not a single thing you've said makes any sense "its just a fact" yeah got another fact for you, how can you tell the hands u use to type are really yours ? I'll assume this is directed toward me. You ask how I know my hands are mine? I'll raise you one tangentially-related question with an even more tangentially-related question. You have a ship. Slowly over time, as boards rot and nails rust, you replace the worn parts. After years and years and years, you've replaced every single part. Is it still the ship you first bought or is it a new ship altogether? Yes, if I had that surgery where doctors gave me some other person's hands, "are they really my hands?" would become a realistic question. But in simple terms, something stops being yours when it starts being someone else's. Are you still your mother's fetus? When did that change? | ||
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OmniEulogy
Canada6592 Posts
On October 19 2011 01:08 Djzapz wrote: Cool story bro, Where's the substance been in your last few responses where you were checkmated? Starting / continuing a Flame War while derailing the thread, BOTH of you need to take a bit of time off and not post in here for awhile imo otherwise I could see warnings/bans coming shortly =/ I know the thread was already derailed but seriously guys... Flame War not acceptable. chill out. | ||
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Boonbag
France3318 Posts
On October 19 2011 01:08 aimless wrote: I'll assume this is directed toward me. You ask how I know my hands are mine? I'll raise you one tangentially-related question with an even more tangentially-related question. You have a ship. Slowly over time, as boards rot and nails rust, you replace the worn parts. After years and years and years, you've replaced every single part. Is it still the ship you first bought or is it a new ship altogether? Yes, if I had that surgery where doctors gave me some other person's hands, "are they really my hands?" would become a realistic question. But in simple terms, something stops being yours when it starts being someone else's. Are you still your mother's fetus? When did that change? what i said didn't mean that at all --; it's not about ownership lol | ||
Jibba
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HackBenjamin
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On October 19 2011 01:02 Sm3agol wrote: Or let's hear it from the babies perspective, it sounds much nicer that way. "My mother was raped by a random idiot, so that means I have to die." And "the pill" is infinitely more justifiable because the baby at that point is completely unable to survive on it's own, regardless of anything we could do. Hence I could understand putting it to the mother's choice at that point in it's life. Is it better for the child to grow up potentially being resented for your whole life because of something ENTIRELY beyond your ocntrol?? Being a constant reminder of a rape? Is it ok if the woman who got raped is a broke ass student with no means of supporting a child? Or a drug addict? Should they give birth to crack babies? You seem to be capable of saying when abortion IS ok (the morning after pill, or when it's a risk to the mothers life), so I'm going to assume that, on some level, you acknowledge that abortions are ok, depending on circumstance. | ||
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Roe
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Boonbag
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Roe
Canada6002 Posts
On October 19 2011 01:13 HackBenjamin wrote: Is it better for the child to grow up potentially being resented for your whole life because of something ENTIRELY beyond your ocntrol?? Being a constant reminder of a rape? Is it ok if the woman who got raped is a broke ass student with no means of supporting a child? Or a drug addict? Should they give birth to crack babies? You seem to be capable of saying when abortion IS ok (the morning after pill, or when it's a risk to the mothers life), so I'm going to assume that, on some level, you acknowledge that abortions are ok, depending on circumstance. I didn't realize a fetus could speak so fluently. To all the pro-lifers who say the mother has to keep the baby and birth it even if she was raped or a druggy etc...Why don't you adopt the baby and save it if you love life so much? Why would you let it live in such terrible conditions? Does this not yield some hypocrisy when you call yourself pro-life and force them to live the life of a destitute? | ||
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bonifaceviii
Canada2890 Posts
On October 19 2011 01:13 Jibba wrote: I really don't understand the girl in the OP. Quite frankly, I love talking about abortion. It really brings out the little kid inside you. wah wah waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah | ||
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aimless
United States57 Posts
On October 19 2011 01:13 Jibba wrote: I really don't understand the girl in the OP. Quite frankly, I love talking about abortion. It really brings out the little kid inside you. This is the best quote in the thread. Cannot be topped. | ||
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Sm3agol
United States2055 Posts
On October 19 2011 01:08 Djzapz wrote: Where's the substance been in your last few responses where you were checkmated? Wait....whaaaaaa? You're posting one-liners, and I'm answering with one-liners. Apparently that means you win? Debate class with you must have been a blast. User was warned for this post | ||
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Sm3agol
United States2055 Posts
On October 19 2011 01:20 Roe wrote: I didn't realize a fetus could speak so fluently. To all the pro-lifers who say the mother has to keep the baby and birth it even if she was raped or a druggy etc...Why don't you adopt the baby and save it if you love life so much? Why would you let it live in such terrible conditions? Does this not yield some hypocrisy when you call yourself pro-life and force them to live the life of a destitute? Funny you should say this, I fully intend on adopting several children when I can. No reason to have your own kids when there are thousands of unwanted ones out there. Plus saves some wear and tear on the wifey. | ||
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Ghostcom
Denmark4782 Posts
On October 19 2011 01:13 Jibba wrote: I really don't understand the girl in the OP. Quite frankly, I love talking about abortion. It really brings out the little kid inside you. I hope you won't mind if I quote you for that when I am to discuss abortions the next time - that was a stroke of genious!!! | ||
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Roe
Canada6002 Posts
On October 19 2011 01:23 Sm3agol wrote: Funny you should say this, I fully intend on adopting several children when I can. No reason to have your own kids when there are thousands of unwanted ones out there. Plus saves some wear and tear on the wifey. that's great, i just wish the other 90% of pro-lifers would think this way. it'd make the whole movement a lot less idiotic | ||
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talismania
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RubiksCube
Germany259 Posts
On October 19 2011 00:53 Sm3agol wrote: The same could be applied to abortion. When do you stop? What if, 5 years into a child's life, you decide you can't care for it properly. Is it still ok to kill it? After all, they still can't make their own decisions then either? The "where do you stop and start" is a terrible argument for justifying something. Don't get pregnant? Mistakes happen, yes, but that's not a good justification for killing someone. Same as above. I also don't think someone legally mentally handicapped should be physically able to have children, for the children's sake. There are these wonderful pills you can take up to a week afterwards that can keep that from happening. Would work for the first two arguments you threw up there as well. And again, as bad as rape is, it's not a good justification for killing someone. In any case, see my closing paragraph. See others answers. This is kind of dicey, but in this situation I would allow for an abortion. No use risking the life of the mother for the life of the baby. In this situation, you're taking an uncertain life to save a certain life......definitely more justifiable than, "Oh crap i don't have condom, lets screw anyways, and if anything happens, we'll just kill it". Seriously, wtf kind of argument or rational is that? You are able to choose. Babies don't happen accidentally. In the case of rape, it's not something the female can choose, but it still isn't accidental. Yes, it is complicated, but that's no excuse for giving a blanket cop-out to anyone dumb enough to have unprotected sex, or not take a just-in-case pill if something goes awry. We're talking about a human life, why is it treated so flippantly? We have 37 pages in a single day in a thread where a clearly unwanted Chinese toddler is ran over by a car, and everyone raging and outraged, when thousands of unwanted children are killed even more coldly every day, and legally. Seriously people? And for the pure "morality take", since I can kind of understand another point of view. It is kind of the mother's choice at the beginning, because since for the first few months the baby cannot live on its own without the mother, hence, it is basically part of the mother's body. For that reason, I would not be outraged at abortion being legal until the baby has passed the point where it can reasonably survive on its own(aka, something like the 50% survival rate age). So now next to telling some people to have to have the baby they don't want, you're now also argue that some people shouldn't be allowed to have a baby they want? Great! In addition, you advertise the "Morning-after-Pill". While technically it's not the same as an abortion, it stil does manipulate both sperm and the unfertilized egg. So you basically argue with me and than you say abortion could be allowed up until the baby on it's own has a 50%+ survival rate. A kid has about a 50% chance to survice after the 25th week of pregnancy. They only do abortions up until the 14th week anyways. | ||
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Haemonculus
United States6980 Posts
On October 19 2011 00:50 unichan wrote: Just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't mean they are wrong. I'm sure generations of Kim Jong Ils fought for dictatorship or whatever is going on in North Korea too, but I'm not wrong because I don't support that. Unichan, I like you but this is easily one of the dumbest analogies I've ever read on this site. I think a lot of young women entirely take for granted the ability to control their own reproductive choices. Anyways I do support abortion rights, but everyone should have to pay for their own abortion fully and it should be regulated - kind of like what OmniEulogy said, but more relaxed All this does is punish poor women. Wealthy women will be able to afford the procedure, and poor women will resort of back alley abortions which are incredibly dangerous. There are way too many misconceptions about abortion. Here is a fun video giving a look at the demographics of just who is having abortions: My real question to people who oppose abortion though is this: What should the penalty be? How do you want to punish those who have abortions? (Assuming you want it to be illegal) | ||
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Chef
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I'm pro-abortion because it reduces crime as long as you don't consider killing fetuses a crime (with mom's permission) and I don't. So it's not like an issue like cancer or AIDs where there are people who just don't know a lot about it but would universally agree its something worth thinking about, it's an issue which is really opinionated and requires serious debate to come to a legal conclusion. | ||
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lizzard_warish
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