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On October 18 2011 22:54 Cascade wrote:Well, all these kinds of protests are about getting attention/raising awareness or whatever you want to call, rather than actually providing a proper argument. And in that she seems to be doing a good job, seeing how you made a thread about it.  I guess you and most of the 228 viewers of this blog at some point spent at least a few seconds considering where they stand in the abortion question. Which was exactly what she wanted. 
ding ding ding
Now as stupid as her stance is on the matter (free choice!), if she really wanted to go do something that's gonna catch everyone's eye and make a scene, she and her buddies should have bought a whole bunch of baby dolls, threw them in a big garbage can and left it in the most highly trafficked intersection in the school with the website stickers all over the can. Instant publicity. Damn amateurs. I should just become a protest organizer. I know how to make a scene.
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Maybe she's wearing tape because she realizes that she should shut up and not tell actual people how to live their life...
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On October 18 2011 23:38 Djzapz wrote:
Maybe she's wearing tape because she realizes that she should shut up and not tell actual people how to live their life...
That's pretty much exactly what abortion is....telling someone they can't live their life, because you're going to end it as soon as it starts.
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On October 18 2011 23:41 Sm3agol wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 23:38 Djzapz wrote:
Maybe she's wearing tape because she realizes that she should shut up and not tell actual people how to live their life... That's pretty much exactly what abortion is....telling someone they can't live their life, because you're going to end it as soon as it starts.
That's exactly what wearing a rubber is... telling a potential, emotion-less hunk of biological stuff, that it can't become a whole human.
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On October 18 2011 23:24 Hawk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 22:54 Cascade wrote:Well, all these kinds of protests are about getting attention/raising awareness or whatever you want to call, rather than actually providing a proper argument. And in that she seems to be doing a good job, seeing how you made a thread about it. I guess you and most of the 228 viewers of this blog at some point spent at least a few seconds considering where they stand in the abortion question. Which was exactly what she wanted. ding ding ding Now as stupid as her stance is on the matter (free choice!), if she really wanted to go do something that's gonna catch everyone's eye and make a scene, she and her buddies should have bought a whole bunch of baby dolls, threw them in a big garbage can and left it in the most highly trafficked intersection in the school with the website stickers all over the can. Instant publicity. Damn amateurs. I should just become a protest organizer. I know how to make a scene.
Her stance on the matter is not 'stupid', don't be an idiot. It is a reasonable conclusion from a different set of initial assumptions and priorities.
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Hm...
This reminds me of this: + Show Spoiler +
And tons of similar ones... How on earth do you link this to abortion whiteout furhter research?...
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On October 18 2011 23:41 Sm3agol wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 23:38 Djzapz wrote:
Maybe she's wearing tape because she realizes that she should shut up and not tell actual people how to live their life... That's pretty much exactly what abortion is....telling someone they can't live their life, because you're going to end it as soon as it starts.
Oh do tell, when does life start in your eyes?
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On October 18 2011 23:45 Ryalnos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 23:24 Hawk wrote:On October 18 2011 22:54 Cascade wrote:Well, all these kinds of protests are about getting attention/raising awareness or whatever you want to call, rather than actually providing a proper argument. And in that she seems to be doing a good job, seeing how you made a thread about it. I guess you and most of the 228 viewers of this blog at some point spent at least a few seconds considering where they stand in the abortion question. Which was exactly what she wanted. ding ding ding Now as stupid as her stance is on the matter (free choice!), if she really wanted to go do something that's gonna catch everyone's eye and make a scene, she and her buddies should have bought a whole bunch of baby dolls, threw them in a big garbage can and left it in the most highly trafficked intersection in the school with the website stickers all over the can. Instant publicity. Damn amateurs. I should just become a protest organizer. I know how to make a scene. Her stance on the matter is not 'stupid', don't be an idiot. It is a reasonable conclusion from a different set of initial assumptions and priorities.
Owning slaves is a good idea if the priority is making money. Reasonable conclusions are not so great when the premises are disgusting.
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On October 18 2011 23:51 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 23:45 Ryalnos wrote:On October 18 2011 23:24 Hawk wrote:On October 18 2011 22:54 Cascade wrote:Well, all these kinds of protests are about getting attention/raising awareness or whatever you want to call, rather than actually providing a proper argument. And in that she seems to be doing a good job, seeing how you made a thread about it. I guess you and most of the 228 viewers of this blog at some point spent at least a few seconds considering where they stand in the abortion question. Which was exactly what she wanted. ding ding ding Now as stupid as her stance is on the matter (free choice!), if she really wanted to go do something that's gonna catch everyone's eye and make a scene, she and her buddies should have bought a whole bunch of baby dolls, threw them in a big garbage can and left it in the most highly trafficked intersection in the school with the website stickers all over the can. Instant publicity. Damn amateurs. I should just become a protest organizer. I know how to make a scene. Her stance on the matter is not 'stupid', don't be an idiot. It is a reasonable conclusion from a different set of initial assumptions and priorities. Owning slaves is a good idea if the priority is making money. Reasonable conclusions are not so great when the premises are disgusting.
Keep in mind though that you hold your beliefs about slavery because "certain initial assumptions and priorities" have also changed, over time, in the culture in which you live. In a different era, your conclusion about slavery would also not be reasonable in the same way, because people's assumptions about what equality means did not extend to minorities.
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People do this for LGBTA stuff too, I don't really see the problem here....
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If the method was used to make you think about your point of view on the subject, I'd say she was rather succesful.
It sounds as if she wanted to get HER point across though, not to get everyone involved with their own opinion. So basically the whole stance on that thing is stupid. They should organize a day of silence regarding to something nobody wants to think about but should, like poverty, child abuse, shit like that.
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On October 19 2011 00:03 Vul wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 23:51 Djzapz wrote:On October 18 2011 23:45 Ryalnos wrote:On October 18 2011 23:24 Hawk wrote:On October 18 2011 22:54 Cascade wrote:Well, all these kinds of protests are about getting attention/raising awareness or whatever you want to call, rather than actually providing a proper argument. And in that she seems to be doing a good job, seeing how you made a thread about it. I guess you and most of the 228 viewers of this blog at some point spent at least a few seconds considering where they stand in the abortion question. Which was exactly what she wanted. ding ding ding Now as stupid as her stance is on the matter (free choice!), if she really wanted to go do something that's gonna catch everyone's eye and make a scene, she and her buddies should have bought a whole bunch of baby dolls, threw them in a big garbage can and left it in the most highly trafficked intersection in the school with the website stickers all over the can. Instant publicity. Damn amateurs. I should just become a protest organizer. I know how to make a scene. Her stance on the matter is not 'stupid', don't be an idiot. It is a reasonable conclusion from a different set of initial assumptions and priorities. Owning slaves is a good idea if the priority is making money. Reasonable conclusions are not so great when the premises are disgusting. Keep in mind though that you hold your beliefs about slavery because "certain initial assumptions and priorities" have also changed, over time, in the culture in which you live. In a different era, your conclusion about slavery would also not be reasonable in the same way, because people's assumptions about what equality means did not extend to minorities.
I'm aware. I have absolutely no contempt for Aristotle even though he wasn't bothered by slavery at the time. It was perfectly normal back then.
I guess I wouldn't call the girl stupid for being an "activist" against abortion... I would definitely say, however, that she's of questionable morality given that we don't live in the dark ages. I question the morality of basically everyone who are arguing that a mass of biological stuff which we can produce absurdly easily should be looked at in high regard simply because of a borderline religious admiration for said biomass.
Obviously, none of us (provided we're sane) are like "yay abortion is awesome". It's an unfortunate reality, but thanks science for this procedure which helps women - people with actual emotions, who perhaps have been trying to cope with having been raped 9 months before...
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On October 18 2011 23:45 Ryalnos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 23:24 Hawk wrote:On October 18 2011 22:54 Cascade wrote:Well, all these kinds of protests are about getting attention/raising awareness or whatever you want to call, rather than actually providing a proper argument. And in that she seems to be doing a good job, seeing how you made a thread about it. I guess you and most of the 228 viewers of this blog at some point spent at least a few seconds considering where they stand in the abortion question. Which was exactly what she wanted. ding ding ding Now as stupid as her stance is on the matter (free choice!), if she really wanted to go do something that's gonna catch everyone's eye and make a scene, she and her buddies should have bought a whole bunch of baby dolls, threw them in a big garbage can and left it in the most highly trafficked intersection in the school with the website stickers all over the can. Instant publicity. Damn amateurs. I should just become a protest organizer. I know how to make a scene. Her stance on the matter is not 'stupid', don't be an idiot. It is a reasonable conclusion from a different set of initial assumptions and priorities.
stance isn't stupid, it is actually dangerous.
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On October 18 2011 23:41 Sm3agol wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 23:38 Djzapz wrote:
Maybe she's wearing tape because she realizes that she should shut up and not tell actual people how to live their life... That's pretty much exactly what abortion is....telling someone they can't live their life, because you're going to end it as soon as it starts.
Yeah you know what's better? Letting a kid be born to a crack addicted mother. Pretty sure life is pretty close to over when you're born addicted to crack too.
Some other awesome things about abortion cures:
Rape babies
Broken condom babies
Unhealthy fetuses (If you're going to tout pro-life shit, you better be prepared to discuss quality of life too)
I'm sure there are more.
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On October 18 2011 23:41 Sm3agol wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 23:38 Djzapz wrote:
Maybe she's wearing tape because she realizes that she should shut up and not tell actual people how to live their life... That's pretty much exactly what abortion is....telling someone they can't live their life, because you're going to end it as soon as it starts.
This is stupid.
You're completely disregarding the fact, that not every pregnancy is the same.
Where do you stop with this and where do you start?
What if I know I can't be a good father/mother and thus don't want a baby?
What about 2 mentally handicapped people, who can't even take care of themselves, do you forbid them to have an abortion?
Do you tell a rape victim, who got impregnanted by it, that she should still keep the baby?
What about the poor families in africa, where getting another baby means it'll have 50% to die of hunger before it is 6? Would you rather tell them to keep the baby only to make it suffer?
What about situations in hospitals in which getting the baby would carry a huge risk for the mother? How huge of a risk is huge enough to warrant abortion? 25% chance to die for the mother? 50%? 75%?
I'm a father myself, and I got my kid in a situation where some probably wouldn't. And I know it's the greatest feeling on earth. And I know I would die for my son. But still, everyone should be able to choose.
You (and every pro-lifer for that matter) just make a general statement and shove on to a situation that never is general. It's always complicated.
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On October 19 2011 00:20 Djzapz wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On October 19 2011 00:03 Vul wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 23:51 Djzapz wrote:On October 18 2011 23:45 Ryalnos wrote:On October 18 2011 23:24 Hawk wrote:On October 18 2011 22:54 Cascade wrote:Well, all these kinds of protests are about getting attention/raising awareness or whatever you want to call, rather than actually providing a proper argument. And in that she seems to be doing a good job, seeing how you made a thread about it. I guess you and most of the 228 viewers of this blog at some point spent at least a few seconds considering where they stand in the abortion question. Which was exactly what she wanted. ding ding ding Now as stupid as her stance is on the matter (free choice!), if she really wanted to go do something that's gonna catch everyone's eye and make a scene, she and her buddies should have bought a whole bunch of baby dolls, threw them in a big garbage can and left it in the most highly trafficked intersection in the school with the website stickers all over the can. Instant publicity. Damn amateurs. I should just become a protest organizer. I know how to make a scene. Her stance on the matter is not 'stupid', don't be an idiot. It is a reasonable conclusion from a different set of initial assumptions and priorities. Owning slaves is a good idea if the priority is making money. Reasonable conclusions are not so great when the premises are disgusting. Keep in mind though that you hold your beliefs about slavery because "certain initial assumptions and priorities" have also changed, over time, in the culture in which you live. In a different era, your conclusion about slavery would also not be reasonable in the same way, because people's assumptions about what equality means did not extend to minorities. I'm aware. I have absolutely no contempt for Aristotle even though he wasn't bothered by slavery at the time. It was perfectly normal back then. I guess I wouldn't call the girl stupid for being an "activist" against abortion... I would definitely say, however, that she's of questionable morality. I question the morality of basically everyone who are arguing that a mass of biological stuff which we can produce absurdly easily should be looked at in high regard simply because of a borderline religious admiration for said biomass.Obviously, none of us (provided we're sane) are like "yay abortion is awesome". It's an unfortunate reality, but thanks science for this procedure which helps women - people with actual emotions, who perhaps have been trying to cope with having been raped 9 months before...
What? It's not a "mass of biological stuff". Abortion happens after conception. It's the start of a new organism's life cycle. And that isn't a religious concept, that's basic science. How you feel about killing the organism at that point is your business, but I don't think you should question her morality on skewed assumptions about religion.
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On October 19 2011 00:30 aimless wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 00:20 Djzapz wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On October 19 2011 00:03 Vul wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 23:51 Djzapz wrote:On October 18 2011 23:45 Ryalnos wrote:On October 18 2011 23:24 Hawk wrote:On October 18 2011 22:54 Cascade wrote:Well, all these kinds of protests are about getting attention/raising awareness or whatever you want to call, rather than actually providing a proper argument. And in that she seems to be doing a good job, seeing how you made a thread about it. I guess you and most of the 228 viewers of this blog at some point spent at least a few seconds considering where they stand in the abortion question. Which was exactly what she wanted. ding ding ding Now as stupid as her stance is on the matter (free choice!), if she really wanted to go do something that's gonna catch everyone's eye and make a scene, she and her buddies should have bought a whole bunch of baby dolls, threw them in a big garbage can and left it in the most highly trafficked intersection in the school with the website stickers all over the can. Instant publicity. Damn amateurs. I should just become a protest organizer. I know how to make a scene. Her stance on the matter is not 'stupid', don't be an idiot. It is a reasonable conclusion from a different set of initial assumptions and priorities. Owning slaves is a good idea if the priority is making money. Reasonable conclusions are not so great when the premises are disgusting. Keep in mind though that you hold your beliefs about slavery because "certain initial assumptions and priorities" have also changed, over time, in the culture in which you live. In a different era, your conclusion about slavery would also not be reasonable in the same way, because people's assumptions about what equality means did not extend to minorities. I'm aware. I have absolutely no contempt for Aristotle even though he wasn't bothered by slavery at the time. It was perfectly normal back then. I guess I wouldn't call the girl stupid for being an "activist" against abortion... I would definitely say, however, that she's of questionable morality. I question the morality of basically everyone who are arguing that a mass of biological stuff which we can produce absurdly easily should be looked at in high regard simply because of a borderline religious admiration for said biomass.Obviously, none of us (provided we're sane) are like "yay abortion is awesome". It's an unfortunate reality, but thanks science for this procedure which helps women - people with actual emotions, who perhaps have been trying to cope with having been raped 9 months before... What? It's not a "mass of biological stuff". Abortion happens after conception. It's the start of a new organism's life cycle. And that isn't a religious concept, that's basic science. How you feel about killing the organism at that point is your business, but I don't think you should question her morality on skewed assumptions about religion.
Bacterias also do have a life cycle.
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On October 19 2011 00:30 aimless wrote:
What? It's not a "mass of biological stuff". Abortion happens after conception. It's the start of a new organism's life cycle. And that isn't a religious concept, that's basic science. How you feel about killing the organism at that point is your business, but I don't think you should question her morality on skewed assumptions about religion.
I don't know of many atheist anti-abortion groups, although I'm sure a random few exist. The overwhelming majority of groups who engage in anti-abortion advocacy are religious and do so for religious reasons.
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I hate this argument lol, other people have differing opinions on when life starts - just because the mass of cells can't feel or think or anything doesn't mean it's not alive to some people ~_~. Personally I changed my stance to neutral on this issue to avoid the shitstorm, but if you're a pro lifer on TL (or anywhere on the internet, really) you're going to have a hard time. Political discussions on the internet are dumb imo because the discussions will usually be 95% liberal
I don't know why everyone thinks the girl wearing duct tape on her mouth is stupid, she's doing something for a cause that she cares about. Even if you don't think it's effective, this thread proves that it is. It's like someone wearing an ugly jacket - if you don't like it, ignore it. It's not going to interfere with your life unless you let it.
Edit: Also I know plenty of athiest pro-lifers, it's not just some religious thing
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