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IMSmooth
Profile Joined May 2011
United States679 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-07 09:02:10
October 07 2011 08:49 GMT
#41
Thanks qxc..... ive been watching DBZ on youtube for the past hour after i saw this T_T

i need to be sleeping!!
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JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
October 07 2011 08:53 GMT
#42
I don't know, wouldn't an increased game speed also lead to loss of game sense?
(e.g. as a zerg, you're timing of the lava injects would be off)
aRRoSC2
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark241 Posts
October 07 2011 09:09 GMT
#43
I don't understand the people bringing up larvae injects. Why would you rely on "oh it's probably about now" instead of tabbing your bases? I realize not everyone has bases hotkeyed with camera positions or has queens or hatches bound individually, but assuming you do all injects right after another, you'd only have to check one base.

As for the OP, it would certainly be very interesting to try. If it would be an effective way of training is another matter, but I definitely believe it should be considered
ztoa03
Profile Joined April 2010
Philippines181 Posts
October 07 2011 09:11 GMT
#44
It's worth the try. Seeing that we are humans, there are a lot of obstacles and limits.
Sometimes, going over the limit would just break you.
Sometimes, growth occurs when one goes beyond one's limits.
Gogogo! TL FTW!
AugustDreams
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia127 Posts
October 07 2011 09:12 GMT
#45
My concern with the idea is that if you train at faster then the usual speed, then when you actually play for serious you may be so used to the faster game that you'll mess up your timings.
Also if they make some tournies at faster speed it seems like it would cause a lot of strain for the commentators, and so the viewers.
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Telegnosis
Profile Joined June 2011
United States49 Posts
October 07 2011 09:22 GMT
#46
No need for special training maps, just play two games at once. Probably more taxing than doubling the speed with less impact on your internalized timings.
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lcl
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom119 Posts
October 07 2011 09:24 GMT
#47
to the nay sayers: this is actually a technique used by musicians to make difficult passages appear slower than they actually are - although this would not comprise the bulk of their practise but rather just when they plateau at a certain speed - a couple of times they might play 10% faster than they can cope with just to make it seem easier when the speed returns to normal.
The more I practise the more luck I seem to have
anch
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States5457 Posts
October 07 2011 09:26 GMT
#48
instead of training at hyper speed, why not just make the condition so fucking bad that you would want to rip someone's head off?
-flickering monitor
-a keyboard and mouse that response 90% of the time,

or play vs team melee (1v2)
RogerX
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
New Zealand3180 Posts
October 07 2011 09:27 GMT
#49
That custom game... is simply amazing..
Stick it up. take it up. step aside and see the world
Heimatloser
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany1494 Posts
October 07 2011 09:37 GMT
#50
imho:

bad:
sc2 is about timings, you get a feeling about "when" a certain strat hits you. you might forget about that.
also, other timings might be screwed unless you look on a watch.

good:
your minimap control will increase a lot.
your apm might increase a lot.
your micro might get much better
All what KT currently needs is a Zerg and a second Terran
ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
October 07 2011 09:50 GMT
#51
qxc, i think you are so cool i posted a giant picture of you on our suite wall
Jaedong :3
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
October 07 2011 09:56 GMT
#52
Very cool idea, but I would assume that increased speed would have negative implications for your game as well. For example, zerg would lose all rhythm in there inject timings. But yeah, for pure mechanical skill, it may just work.
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Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
October 07 2011 10:36 GMT
#53
It sounds good but it wouldn't really help your game in practice.
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
ReaperX
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Hong Kong1758 Posts
October 07 2011 10:38 GMT
#54
nice one qxc...
Artosis : Clide. idrA : Shut up.
Syncker
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland142 Posts
October 07 2011 10:39 GMT
#55
On October 07 2011 16:13 archflames wrote:
that fart at 5:54 cracks me up

¨

ahahaha i just spilled my water on the keyboard :D:D:D:D
courtpanda
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
866 Posts
October 07 2011 10:42 GMT
#56
i have an idea, but its not fully formed yet. someone needs to help me out

okay, so when this map is made, it would be with 2 real people playing against each other, right? so then even though everything you do would be slower relative to the game, it would be the same for the other person. this wouldnt be the same as foreigners going to korea, because when they go to korea, they play against people better than them. in this, you would still be playing people of relatively equal skill, and youre both handicapped the same way.

going back to the DBZ analogy, it would be like sparring against someone in the gravity chamber. yes, youre slower, but so are they. once again, youre fighting on equal grounds.

using the map wouldnt be so much as training with 200g, but more like running with ankle weights. yes, it does make your legs a little stronger, but not by much. however, when you take the ankle weights off, your legs FEEL lighter and it FEELS like youre going faster, even though you probably arent that much faster. (another analogy would be high altiude training)

in my opinion, using the map when it gets made would help your multitasking, but in the long term, its not going to be a miracle training that puts you into grandmasters.


but then again, this is all theory

Syrupjuice
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States173 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-07 11:09:27
October 07 2011 10:44 GMT
#57
I think the idea is solid, but I question the reality of the execution. If you, or somebody else, wants to go through the trouble of dealing with the map editor (however strong, it's still a pain to go through that thing) to create a single map that allows you to play at a faster speed, by all means please go and do it.

But I have some questions. QXC, are you really struggling to play at a faster speed? And if so, what aspect of your play is limiting your speed? Is it you physical mechanics, or your mental power? If you just want to move your fingers faster, it might be a really good way to go about getting better. But if you want to be able to react better to multiple actions and respond appropriately and in a timely manner, you will need more than just playing faster to achieve those results.

I would urge you to think more about ways that you could improve, both physically and mentally. There are many activities that you can do that can be a sort of cross-trainer (similar to sports). I have heard many athletes say that their sport is roughly 30% physical and 70% mental (or so my cross-country running friend has told me). At the end of the day, in Starcraft 2, the player left standing is the player who can think longer and harder than their opponent, so search out activities that will challenge your mental strength, and then push yourself in your practices to get faster. If you can find something that can help you improve at both, that's great! But, if you can find ways to push the boundaries of your mind while still honing your thoughts on Starcraft and the situations you would find yourself in, you'll be solid.

I hope you spend some time and critically think about my thoughts. Let me know what you think ;D


Best of luck!

:EDIT: Additional point

lcl pointed out that musicians will sometimes play passages at a faster than normal performance speed to make the passage seem easier when played at a normal speed. But, how did they get to that point? They go through the passage very, very slowly. learning each and every note, until they have the intonation perfected. I've played violin for over 10 years now, and have picked up several instruments since, and EVERY new song that I learn, and want to know inside and out, I practice slowly. Slowly and very methodically, always thinking throughout the song about what I am doing at that moment and what is coming up next, and constantly hearing the piece in my mind as I go on. Playing things at a faster pace is a good way to push yourself to become comfortable with executing something, but the faster pace does nothing if you don't actually know what you are doing. If anything, I would say slow your play down so you understand, precisely, what is you are doing, before you go thinking you're going to be super gosu for practicing at 200% (exaggerated) the normal speed. Only to find that when you get into a game, you still lose because you didn't understand what in the world you were doing.

Just things to think about.
VoirDire
Profile Joined February 2009
Sweden1923 Posts
October 07 2011 10:49 GMT
#58
This is so much win right here:D
Douillos
Profile Joined May 2010
France3195 Posts
October 07 2011 11:10 GMT
#59
Attach 10T weights on your hand FFS! Then only can you accelerate the game speed!

HFHFHF all

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Mairou
Profile Joined June 2011
Finland144 Posts
October 07 2011 11:12 GMT
#60
If you would be able to play with even faster game speed it would be awesome and really help alot in practice. Just imagine if you play 1 week with superfast speed and you are trying to do all the stuff but its really hard then you switch to normal speed and notice '' lol multitasking is so easy '' and you will handle 2 pronged attack while macroing in your base so easily.
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