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AirbladeOrange
United States2571 Posts
Finland has a completely different approach where students are tested less, have less homework, have more free time, and are still better prepared for entering the workforce upon graduating. Students get more choices with their curriculum as well. I believe there is a lot the U.S. can learn from Finland and I was wondering if anyone knows more about the schools there to talk about it. (Just the trailer)  | ||
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Amanebak
Czech Republic528 Posts
I wouldn't say that our system is totally wrong but there are a lot of things I would change. There are subjects where memorising without thinking is the best way to learn. | ||
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Oozo
Finland432 Posts
Knowing yourself, that without proper education. You will end up in cleaning or similar crappy job. That makes you study harder and learn stuff. I recall my self at 7th grade when our guidance counselor asked "What you want to do when you are old?", and I just shrugged at that moment. Then she just showed me cleaner at halls and said, "that's pretty much what you're going to do if you don't study enough for what you desire". And I got really fast what I wanted to do, and what grades to aim for. Also teachers being quite highly educated helps, does smooth out all the misconceptions and wrong information on our studies. Somewhat our society has changed in past years and its going to bit wrong way in all honesty. 10~ years ago, when someone got bad grade from test, usually parents scolded the kid. Now they call our teachers, and start yelling to them for giving their children bad grade. So it can turn to worse at our ranking to be honest, if this keeps up. | ||
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Kukaracha
France1954 Posts
Here in France, you start working from 8 AM to 5 PM every working day of the week (except Wednesday, which starts at 8 and ends at 1 PM) at the age of 6. There is homework everyday and it's common to have an hour of homework everyday if you're a serious student. But it's always more relaxed than Korea though. Or so I thought... our government cut the public school budgets and now every teacher is under severe depression and stress. | ||
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AnxiousHippo
Australia1451 Posts
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jamssi
Finland36 Posts
On October 04 2011 18:26 AnxiousHippo wrote: Finland just generally seems like a great place to live. Only if you like 7 months of cold and darkness each year. | ||
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Grettin
42381 Posts
On October 04 2011 18:26 AnxiousHippo wrote: Finland just generally seems like a great place to live. Yeah, yet i still want to move out from this country as soon as possible. :p But yes, our education system is wonderful and everyone who are born in Finland (or any country) are lucky to have this kind of system. Sadly, there is still a lot of people who really doesn't care about education at all, or when they do it might be a bit too late. And people who doesn't realize how good this system actually is compared to other countries. I'm one of those who really didn't give a shit about it till i was 'done' with my compulsory education, and now i'm regretting it a little. Even though i have already graduated and planning to continue my studying, i should have paid more attention to all of this. But it's not like i'm gonna be a cleaner or anything like that, but if i would like to study something else now, that might not be possible because of that. So the education system here is pretty 'forgiving' sometimes if you ask me. | ||
micronesia
United States24612 Posts
On October 04 2011 18:03 Jienny wrote: Somewhat our society has changed in past years and its going to bit wrong way in all honesty. 10~ years ago, when someone got bad grade from test, usually parents scolded the kid. Now they call our teachers, and start yelling to them for giving their children bad grade. So it can turn to worse at our ranking to be honest, if this keeps up. Haha that's just like schools in the US. Only difference is it's been happening here for more than 10 years... | ||
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Tomken
Norway1144 Posts
Edit: some other vid: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8601207.stm | ||
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AnxiousHippo
Australia1451 Posts
On October 04 2011 18:48 jamssi wrote: Where I live you get 12 months of cold a year. Schooling in Australia seems alright, but teachers could use some more money.Only if you like 7 months of cold and darkness each year. | ||
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Soleron
United Kingdom1324 Posts
On October 04 2011 19:09 micronesia wrote: Haha that's just like schools in the US. Only difference is it's been happening here for more than 10 years... I don't understand why you don't have national government-set exams. Letting schools set their own grades sounds unfair and hugely open to abuse, especially for university entrance. In the UK you just get three A grades on the national tests and you get a top 10 university place regardless of anything else you do, extracurricular or otherwise. There's not even more applicants than places for people with those grades. | ||
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RogerX
New Zealand3180 Posts
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Sotamursu
Finland612 Posts
It's true that there's pretty much no pressure until you apply to a university and even then if you did well on the matriculation and the entrance exams, you'll get in easily. This system does sort of promote laziness. I pretty much never studied to a single exam and yet I'm in one of the best schools in my country. | ||
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Dulak
Finland33 Posts
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haduken
Australia8267 Posts
I'd say if we can fix the parents and the teachers then the school problem will go away but honestly I don't know if they can be fixed. Teachers need to be respected not just by the students but also the parents and society in general. Only then can more smart people join their ranks. These days they are more of a nanny/maid rather than educators. | ||
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FreshVegetables
Finland513 Posts
On October 04 2011 20:04 Sotamursu wrote: The school system is generally pretty good, but it does have its problems. Also some teachers are just so fucking bad you learn absolutely nothing. The good part is that you can complain about them and get them fired. It's true that there's pretty much no pressure until you apply to a university and even then if you did well on the matriculation and the entrance exams, you'll get in easily. This system does sort of promote laziness. I pretty much never studied to a single exam and yet I'm in one of the best schools in my country. You can complain and get them fired, really? Also about the getting in to unis and other schools easily it all depends a lot on what branch your looking to study in. Your also implying that the system promotes laziness? How exactly because I have to strongly disagree. Your post was quite misleading and subjective imo  Also I would like to know about these "fucking bad teachers", care to elaborate? | ||
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laevat
Finland27 Posts
On October 04 2011 21:04 haduken wrote: We all heard about Finnish schools but can anyone give me a summary on what's different about them? Free Free food all the way till Uni. That's the only thing that I can say for sure that I think is different. I'll let other finns speak more for this matter as I'm not the most knowledgeable person when it comes to comparing our school system to others. I just know that the food costs in most other countries while it is free here. | ||
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DNB
Finland995 Posts
It makes me wonder how our country is ranked in top of the PISA. It's true that we have less pressure though, (but not non-existent) when compared to other countries. Maybe that is the influencing factor, as it allows more time for the brains to rest. | ||
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laguu
Finland278 Posts
Anyway, there was once a thread on a certain poker forum where people were wondering why there are so many high level players in Scandinavian countries compared to their relatively small population. The conclusion that I took from the thread was that since such a big part of the year is dark and cold, people are more inclined to spend their time inside doing "boring" stuff like reading books, studying etc. For example, you can't surf here at all and you can only go to the beach during 2-3 months of the year if the weather is nice. So I guess we have much less attractions to steer ourselves away from the "right path" or something. And you wonder why Finns drink so much? | ||
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marttorn
Norway5211 Posts
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LaLuSh
Sweden2358 Posts
Here we think of Finnish education as more disciplined and knowledge-oriented. The argument is that whereas in Sweden teachers mostly let the children do their work for them through flimsy goal oriented grade documents and spend very little time behind the teacher's desk lecturing; in Finland they actually make use of their office hours for teaching as opposed to mostly functioning as "guides" for students working individually and in groups with others. Of course the Swedish system might be ideal in a world where you've got infinite resources; where you can afford to hire lots of teachers and children have lots of adult role models. But in reality there will be 1 teacher for ~25 children (classes often more croweded). And the individual regard that teachers are supposed to show each and every one of the children remains an idealistic paragraph of a government document. A document that was drafted on ideological grounds. Likely harmless in intent with a school system in the most perfect of perfect worlds in mind. But through the last two decades it has continually increased the gaps between children of different ethnic and educational backgrounds (and it was implemented by the social democrats, whose expectations of the changes always were that the unique regard for every student's individuality would accomplish the opposite -- that in fact immigrants and children whose parents didn't attend higher education would catch up with the entitled through the guidance and regard of their individual needs from teachers). Another thing the Finns have done well, and another potential explanation to the success of their educational system, is how they've managed to increase the status and regard for the teaching profession. In Sweden everyone knows teachers' pays are shit. Career development and promotions virtually don't exist. Universities and colleges educating future teachers are heavily criticized for their bad quality (exceptions to the rule exist of course) and as sometimes too reliant on group projects (helping weaker students graduate). I'm not sure whether in Finland they require you to have a degree to teach, but I suspect they do as their teaching colleges/universities attract top students and require good grades to attend (whereas in Swe far too many apply because it seems like a convenient and somewhat effortless way to make your living and the grade requirements are low). In Finland the competition is healthy for teaching jobs, whereas in Sweden people without degrees are thrown into classrooms because of there being too big of a demand and too few qualified teachers (slighly exaggerating, but still very common and prevalent). Perhaps Finland is the Swedish system done right. | ||
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Rustymike
Finland327 Posts
Food is free till universities, and even then it is only about 2€ / meal. The unis as I've heard and experienced have very diverse curriculum options which you can modify yourself as you will. It also doesn't matter at all if you wish to study few courses on a subject that is completely different from your main and side subjects, it's all for the good. Talking about pressure, I've never had any pressure until the last night of studying for an exam and realizing that I do not handle most of the things, but for that I can just blame myself  Overall I've been in schools that have very relaxed and non-pressure athmosphere, teachers are usually very willing to help us more than enough. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States43985 Posts
Finland kicks American ass in math and science. They're pretty much consistently top three in the world when it comes to testing well there. | ||
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Whole
United States6046 Posts
On October 04 2011 18:48 jamssi wrote: Only if you like 7 months of cold and darkness each year. can't be worse then garbage louisiana humidity. I go outside and instantly sweat sometimes lol | ||
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BlackJack
United States10290 Posts
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Welmu
Finland3295 Posts
people saying that some teahcers are trash, thats not true. Usually maybe 1-2 teachers in schools are trash, but I wouldn't consider that too many | ||
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gullberg
Sweden1301 Posts
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Rustymike
Finland327 Posts
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Najda
United States3765 Posts
Anyway, since I can't watch the video (at school right now, haha :D) is this a similar system as what they have in Finland? A couple of posts above me someone compared Sweden vs Finland but he didn't mention anything like this. | ||
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The_LiNk
Canada863 Posts
On October 04 2011 18:03 Jienny wrote: + Show Spoiler + Well, more or less. Our schools make learning so that when you're motivated, you will learn stuff yourself rather than shoving those books to our throats. Thus making students learn lot by them self and wanting that information. Knowing yourself, that without proper education. You will end up in cleaning or similar crappy job. That makes you study harder and learn stuff. I recall my self at 7th grade when our guidance counselor asked "What you want to do when you are old?", and I just shrugged at that moment. Then she just showed me cleaner at halls and said, "that's pretty much what you're going to do if you don't study enough for what you desire". And I got really fast what I wanted to do, and what grades to aim for. + Show Spoiler + Also teachers being quite highly educated helps, does smooth out all the misconceptions and wrong information on our studies. Somewhat our society has changed in past years and its going to bit wrong way in all honesty. 10~ years ago, when someone got bad grade from test, usually parents scolded the kid. Now they call our teachers, and start yelling to them for giving their children bad grade. So it can turn to worse at our ranking to be honest, if this keeps up. It's funny, that's exactly what Asian parents emphasize to their children so we all become Doctor, Lawyer, Engineer, Accountants. Yet, we are the ones that are criticized for instilling "the wrong" values in our children. | ||
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HwangjaeTerran
Finland5967 Posts
I didn't do homework once since I left primary school and was absent the maximum possible time. Made it into university without any extra testing. I know plenty of similar people. The problems I have now when I have to learn something by myself (and it's even something that I'm not particularly interested in because I'm in the wrong branch..) is that I have absolutely no tools to study or motivate myself. So while I think that the basis is really good the system is too uniform. A lot of potential goes to waste, you can just guess how frustrating it is to go to a school for 6-7 years and learn next to nothing or be ever faced with a real challenge. I'm from a rural area though so there might be more options in some cities that I haven't heard of but as far as I know it's pretty much the same. I guess the teachers are better than in most places because from all the way from Kindergarten teachers they are university educated people. English starts for 9-10 year olds, swedish 13-14, 12 year olds can choose to study atleast German or French (those are the options I had to choose from). Any more languages later on are certainly possible but schedules start to overlap after those. I feel there's way too little mandatory physics, chemistry and PE. On October 05 2011 00:51 Rustymike wrote: Also. Don't think that all finnish 15-25 years old are well-educated, we have a good share of dumbasses also. This. The "success" of the educational system certainly doesn't show in the general population. On October 05 2011 00:12 BlackJack wrote: How do they have more teachers, smaller class size, better pay and still have it cost less than in US? There's probably a big difference in the way the costs are calculated. The pay is also definitely not good for teachers. Atleast not when compared to other university educated people. e. ghost! :D | ||
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DusTerr
2520 Posts
On October 04 2011 18:48 jamssi wrote: Only if you like 7 months of cold and darkness each year. I do - I moved from California :D | ||
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CharlieBrownsc
Canada598 Posts
On October 04 2011 18:09 Kukaracha wrote: Sounds like a dream. Here in France, you start working from 8 AM to 5 PM every working day of the week (except Wednesday, which starts at 8 and ends at 1 PM) at the age of 6. There is homework everyday and it's common to have an hour of homework everyday if you're a serious student. But it's always more relaxed than Korea though. Or so I thought... our government cut the public school budgets and now every teacher is under severe depression and stress. 1-hour of homework everyday really isn't a lot... | ||
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Sotamursu
Finland612 Posts
On October 04 2011 21:08 FreshVegetables wrote: You can complain and get them fired, really? Also about the getting in to unis and other schools easily it all depends a lot on what branch your looking to study in. Your also implying that the system promotes laziness? How exactly because I have to strongly disagree. Your post was quite misleading and subjective imo Also I would like to know about these "fucking bad teachers", care to elaborate?I'm speaking completely from personal experiences. We had a few bad teachers over the years we complained about and they got fired (different schools). These teachers sucked simply because they couldn't teach shit and they had absolutely no authority over the classroom. One had a nervous breakdown mid-classm, because no one was listening to her. etc. A large number of complaints from the students and their parents is at least going to have some effect, even if it didn't get the teacher fired. To give you a specific example, our database course teachers method of teaching was to read his pdfs aloud and ignore any questions asked. He would also randomly stop speaking and go for a coffee break, only to return 30 minutes later and continuing like nothing had happened. We all had to study the things required ourselves, because the teacher was clueless. The whole system is pretty easy and you can sail through it with minimal effort and still get mediocre grades. If you want to be better, you study a bit. It doesn't directly promote laziness, but it doesn't really challenge the students either. Of course getting into med schools etc. is still going to be hard. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10290 Posts
On October 05 2011 01:30 HwangjaeTerran wrote: There's probably a big difference in the way the costs are calculated. The pay is also definitely not good for teachers. Atleast not when compared to other university educated people. e. ghost! :D Yeah, I googled around and I think the salary is more or less the same. The difference is probably that Finland has a lot of the perks like universal healthcare and pensions as part of their national system so that cost isn't calculated as going towards education but instead going towards healthcare/social security. In the states those perks for teachers are probably recorded as going towards education spending. | ||
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Kukaracha
France1954 Posts
On October 05 2011 02:29 CharlieBrownsc wrote: 1-hour of homework everyday really isn't a lot... I think that when you're 6 years old it's quite a fair amount of time to be spent sitting in a chair, in silence... | ||
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micronesia
United States24612 Posts
On October 04 2011 19:44 Soleron wrote: I don't understand why you don't have national government-set exams. Letting schools set their own grades sounds unfair and hugely open to abuse, especially for university entrance. In the UK you just get three A grades on the national tests and you get a top 10 university place regardless of anything else you do, extracurricular or otherwise. There's not even more applicants than places for people with those grades. Well it's hard to get every state on the same page in terms of curricula... our country is a lot bigger than the UK, for example. We do have some exams which are useful for college entrance including the PSAT, SATI, SATIIs, ACT, etc. We don't have specific federal government mandated exams at the high school level but we do at the lower levels. Also, there are federal government mandates for there to be uniform exams in high schools at the state level etc... just not the federal level. On October 05 2011 04:21 Sotamursu wrote: To give you a specific example, our database course teachers method of teaching was to read his pdfs aloud and ignore any questions asked. He would also randomly stop speaking and go for a coffee break, only to return 30 minutes later and continuing like nothing had happened. We all had to study the things required ourselves, because the teacher was clueless. Oh I could have sworn that only happened in the USA!!! XD | ||
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ghrur
United States3786 Posts
Looking at recent International Olympiads (be it Math, Linguistics, Physics, Bio, etc.), the Finnish seem to be doing quite poorly at them. Meanwhile, USA actually tops the list in most of them. | ||
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DNB
Finland995 Posts
On October 05 2011 11:00 ghrur wrote: Idk how much I trust this because while their average test scores are better, their top students might be suffering more than in US or China. Looking at recent International Olympiads (be it Math, Linguistics, Physics, Bio, etc.), the Finnish seem to be doing quite poorly at them. Meanwhile, USA actually tops the list in most of them. I would guess the 300 million population difference between the US and Finland had something to do with that | ||
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ghrur
United States3786 Posts
On October 05 2011 13:21 DNB wrote: I would guess the 300 million population difference between the US and Finland had something to do with that Not really because Singapore does quite well on these with an equal population and India doesn't do well despite having an enormous population. | ||
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micronesia
United States24612 Posts
On October 05 2011 13:34 ghrur wrote: Not really because Singapore does quite well on these with an equal population and India doesn't do well despite having an enormous population. This doesn't logically follow to me. Having a larger population does give you a larger pool (confirming the validity of what DNB said). Having a larger population doesn't guarantee you will do well (debunking India example). Having a smaller population due to cultural differences, statistical variation, etc, could still lead to a better than expected performance. | ||
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ghrur
United States3786 Posts
On October 05 2011 13:45 micronesia wrote: This doesn't logically follow to me. Having a larger population does give you a larger pool (confirming the validity of what DNB said). Having a larger population doesn't guarantee you will do well (debunking India example). Having a smaller population due to cultural differences, statistical variation, etc, could still lead to a better than expected performance. Yeah, I understand that, but population does not explain away the disparity in results between these countries. Nor does statistical variation considering Finland's been consistently behind in these competitions. I don't think cultural differences should be used because I thought the Finnish had a similar attitude toward education, especially since they value their teachers highly. I mean, if cultural differences can cause Singapore or Romania to rise, why not Finland? And why doesn't the US fall considering our disregard toward education. Why doesn't India rise considering they value education too, and they have the population pool to back it up? I feel it might be that Finnish schools are better for the average but worse for the top. Education in the US has huge disparities between rich/poor and white/black, but it seems to foster the talent found at the top. | ||
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Supert0fu
United States499 Posts
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DNB
Finland995 Posts
On October 05 2011 14:13 ghrur wrote: I feel it might be that Finnish schools are better for the average but worse for the top. Education in the US has huge disparities between rich/poor and white/black, but it seems to foster the talent found at the top. I think this is certainly a valid point with some truth to it. Having thought about it and experienced most of the Finnish school system by myself, I would certainly agree that while the Finnish education does a great job on educating the students to an overall higher medium than others, we actually lack the drive to encourage truly talented students to reach their highest possible level. What I mean is that talented students often lack the options to truly showcase their abilities, resulting into a pretty much non-existent arsenal of talented people noticed on the world stage. I don't know about Singapore though and how they do it there. Perhaps someone can elaborate. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10290 Posts
On October 05 2011 14:13 ghrur wrote: Yeah, I understand that, but population does not explain away the disparity in results between these countries. Nor does statistical variation considering Finland's been consistently behind in these competitions. I don't think cultural differences should be used because I thought the Finnish had a similar attitude toward education, especially since they value their teachers highly. I mean, if cultural differences can cause Singapore or Romania to rise, why not Finland? And why doesn't the US fall considering our disregard toward education. Why doesn't India rise considering they value education too, and they have the population pool to back it up? I feel it might be that Finnish schools are better for the average but worse for the top. Education in the US has huge disparities between rich/poor and white/black, but it seems to foster the talent found at the top. Population makes a HUGE difference. Having 50 times the population means we will have 50 times the people that are naturally gifted. I tend to agree that the U.S. is very good at segregating students based on their ability and I think this is something that is very important since dumb kids can slow down classes by asking stupid questions that teachers have to accommodate. But population plays a massive role in any international competition, just like in the Olympic Games where China and the US win the most medals time after time. | ||
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micronesia
United States24612 Posts
On October 05 2011 19:07 BlackJack wrote: I tend to agree that the U.S. is very good at segregating students based on their ability and I think this is something that is very important since dumb kids can slow down classes by asking stupid questions that teachers have to accommodate. Hm. With each passing year schools in the US are segregating students based on ability less and less. There's still some advanced classes in high school (such as AP or IB) but through most of k-~10 there are more and more cases of gifted students and learning disabled (or just slow/unmotivated in general) students being in the same class. As for the disadvantage of this for the stronger student... the problem isn't as simple as the teacher needing to accommodate stupid question. The teacher needs to plan every aspect of the class keeping mind that they want the weaker students to keep up. They'll present the same material more ways, do more reinforcement activities, do activities which have less opportunity to apply critical/higher thinking, etc. You are of course still correct that this 'slows down classes.' There are ways to teach a class to reduce the negative effects of these. It's possible to challenge gifted students while helping weaker students keep up, but it's very difficult and there are practical limits to this. I could start a large discussion on TL about this topic probably lol | ||
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BlackJack
United States10290 Posts
On October 05 2011 19:21 micronesia wrote: Hm. With each passing year schools in the US are segregating students based on ability less and less. There's still some advanced classes in high school (such as AP or IB) but through most of k-~10 there are more and more cases of gifted students and learning disabled (or just slow/unmotivated in general) students being in the same class. As for the disadvantage of this for the stronger student... the problem isn't as simple as the teacher needing to accommodate stupid question. The teacher needs to plan every aspect of the class keeping mind that they want the weaker students to keep up. They'll present the same material more ways, do more reinforcement activities, do activities which have less opportunity to apply critical/higher thinking, etc. You are of course still correct that this 'slows down classes.' There are ways to teach a class to reduce the negative effects of these. It's possible to challenge gifted students while helping weaker students keep up, but it's very difficult and there are practical limits to this. I could start a large discussion on TL about this topic probably lol Word. From my personal experience K-5 wasn't really segregated at all. For middle school and high school I went to some pretty ghetto schools but they did a real good job at keeping us nerds in "advanced/gifted" classes When I got into 6th grade there were 4 rows of classrooms with room numbers 40-45, 30-35, 20-25, 10-15. 40s were for smart kids and 10s were for the dumb kids. I used to help teachers in the 10s for my peer counselling class where I would grade papers and stuff, it was really sad. I never saw what I thought was a "great teacher", I'm not sure if it's because they gave worse teachers to the dumb kids or if the teachers just lost motivation to teach kids that were hopeless because of their IQ. I always thought that was some pretty harsh segregation - imagine what it's like for a kid to know "I'm a 10s kid." Anyway, interesting story.. about halfway through the year we got a knew student in our gifted math class, and he was a black kid and he really seemed average intelligence or maybe a little above, and seemed like he was struggling. One day we were waiting outside of class for our teacher to arrive and he said something like "I shouldn't even be in this class" and I said "What do you mean, how did you get in then?" and he said "One word my friend: Blackmail" I didn't prod further but the impression I got was that his parents pressured the school to change the demographics of the class or something along those lines. | ||
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Arthemesia
United States292 Posts
How long have you been there? Are you going to school there? How's life there? | ||
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Phenny
Australia1435 Posts
On October 05 2011 19:21 micronesia wrote: Hm. With each passing year schools in the US are segregating students based on ability less and less. There's still some advanced classes in high school (such as AP or IB) but through most of k-~10 there are more and more cases of gifted students and learning disabled (or just slow/unmotivated in general) students being in the same class. As for the disadvantage of this for the stronger student... the problem isn't as simple as the teacher needing to accommodate stupid question. The teacher needs to plan every aspect of the class keeping mind that they want the weaker students to keep up. They'll present the same material more ways, do more reinforcement activities, do activities which have less opportunity to apply critical/higher thinking, etc. You are of course still correct that this 'slows down classes.' There are ways to teach a class to reduce the negative effects of these. It's possible to challenge gifted students while helping weaker students keep up, but it's very difficult and there are practical limits to this. I could start a large discussion on TL about this topic probably lol This is what I really want to learn and learn well (I'm a 2nd year primary/elementary teaching student). What it seems like to me is that a lot of teachers really lack the effort and motivation to extend themselves to catering for the higher achieving students (as well as the lower ones too, however remedial help seems more available to them at least in the school's I've been to). Being able to differentiate my lessons so that everyone is learning and achieving at an optimal level for their personal ability, despite the amount of work it would involve is highly appealing to me. Btw, isn't the consensus from research that segregation is (generally) advantageous to the higher achieving students but disadvantageous to the lower achieving students? | ||
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micronesia
United States24612 Posts
On October 05 2011 23:46 Phenny wrote: Btw, isn't the consensus from research that segregation is (generally) advantageous to the higher achieving students but disadvantageous to the lower achieving students? I'm not familiar with the research in this area but my guess from experience would be that what you said is correct overall. | ||
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Otolia
France5805 Posts
If you want to see a segregating (and totally assumed) school system, you should in interest yourself to the french one. It's completely designed to breed elites in every single field. | ||
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MudkipSEA`
Singapore67 Posts
The Singapore education system, while it has worked in the past, may has run its course in today's modern society. We need to really emulate the model, while putting it in a Singapore context. I'm having my National's in a month, and today, I had class till 5, went for "tuition" till 8, and am studying at the moment. I won't want my child to be in a system like this in the future. | ||
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