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Hey Necronis 
As most know I played WoW pretty extensively back in the day. I played most MMOs actually (UO, DAoC, Guildwars, Anarchy Online, Shadowbane, and WoW). I never really played everquest but I actually recently downloaded it to try out a free "classic" pvp server opening up. Theres actually a thread on TL about this server too.
Sadly though, I think most modern MMOs are really garbage in comparison to some of the titles I previously mentioned. I can't tell if I've just outgrown them or they really are just terrible.
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On September 26 2011 10:18 Clbull wrote:
[*]Will i ever be able to clear content like Blackwing Descent, The Firelands. Dragon Soul etc without having to commit time equivalent to a fucking full time job? And this counts for both farming the insane amounts of gear needed just to be accepted by a guild, getting a fucking degree level knowledge of boss tactics in each dungeon and raid and being online for 5 straight hours of hardcore raiding when the raid leader demands me to be on.
I'd like to address this point. I'm in a guild with adults with wifes/children, time consuming jobs (developers, IT engineer, soldier etc), we play 9pm/12pm 4 times a week, if you're away you just have to warn beforehand, we kick nobody cause people have a life you know.
We don't ask off-raid farming (selling BoE gets us the golds to get flasks, guild repairs etc), we barely have 10 nolifes out of 40~ raiders (25man raid)
It amounts to us having an everchanging roster every day depending on who is there or not, and we manage to kill every boss in hard mode.
So, NO, WoW is not time consuming, that's 6 to 9 hours every week per person. We have been working on Ragnaros HM25 for 2 weeks now, so we are not cutting edge but we still will clean it before the next release and are usually like top25 french.
Falling a bit behind at the beginning when everyone raids XXX hours to clean the easy modes (we don't, normal raid times), and catching up to them when it gets hard and they get blocked, when we don't.
Getting the strats is simple if you don't wanna lose time : watch a video (15min), remembers the 3/4 skills your class has to deal with, and play it a few times on the first night. Congrats, you know the fight inside out. And 5h+ of straight raiding is useless, nobody will have his 100% concentration for the whole duration. 3h going 100% is tiring as it is after a workday.
So, just choose your guild carefully...
The ones who choose their applies on account of their stuff are either cutting edge or dumb. A bad player in good gear IS going to do LESS dps than a smart player with so-so gear. Just look at them play, the gear will come eventually in a few weeks, you gotta invest.
SMART people. Who know how to take care of themselves. That's all it takes to save time.
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On October 06 2011 00:36 Masq wrote:Hey Necronis As most know I played WoW pretty extensively back in the day. I played most MMOs actually (UO, DAoC, Guildwars, Anarchy Online, Shadowbane, and WoW). I never really played everquest but I actually recently downloaded it to try out a free "classic" pvp server opening up. Theres actually a thread on TL about this server too. Sadly though, I think most modern MMOs are really garbage in comparison to some of the titles I previously mentioned. I can't tell if I've just outgrown them or they really are just terrible.
lol..SUP boss?
most fun i've ever had in WoW -> steamrolling the top GM teams in WSG
2nd: Countless hours spent chillin with the guys in vent before/after raids just venting about wipes/stupid people [with ->masq,sinnyin, WAY BACK MARELLO!<, kouhou, aelginar, soo many others.]
And i completely agree with all that you stated above. MMOs to me have completely lost their flare.
It's all about sc2 now and training MMA.
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Sounds like you (author of OP) had the worst luck/experience in World of Warcraft.
You seemed to have a typical "guild hopping" history, which isn't necessarily bad but sure doesn't sound like fun.
I quit WoW in February because of a new job and also content wasn't what it used to be.
I was in Colonial Space Marines on H-Destromath and we were in the top 50 world guilds during Ulduar Progression. Unfortunatley, many officers were recruited by Gentelmen's club and other raiders (like myself) went elsewhere.
Since Vanilla Wow I have been in 2 guilds, or 2 communities as I would call it. The idea of a guild changed during Wrath at some imaginary point, *cough* ToC *cough*. Guilds before were long lasting communities with grueling recruitment requirements and very high longevity. You enjoyed raiding with your peers because they understood the commitement it took to kill bosses with 25-40 players, as well as the idea of continous growth within the community. For example, it took a lot of effort and time to join a guild, show them your capabilities and for a spot to open up to be a core raider during Burning Crusade raids. It took a lot of bonding and passion to keep it up.
Once ToC and ICC came out, guilds were forming up left and right, spamming trade for spots in raids. Pretty soon it was more "pick up players" than actual guild members in the majority of raids. Granted, guilds like mine were the only ones to kill H Lich King 25 on the server, players were sprawling out thinking they could go from 10man marrowgar to 25man 11/12 heroic in just pugs. Guilds became meaningless. Communities began to simmir and die. Blizzard tried to compensate by "nerfing" the content which can sometimes be viewed as a double-sided sword.
Yet, the game can be fun given the right "community" that you put yourself into. There are a few guilds out there that still are driven to play solely together, and set goals and accomplish them together. I won't be returning because Blizzard continously manages to hinder that aspect of the MMO genre. They continue to ruin the idea of "multiplayer". The sad proof is that I could log on right now on my Level 85, grind random battlegrounds to get my ilvl up, grind heroics to get jp and then soon just do the "Looking For Raid" tool... all while my character sits in the main town... motionless.
I got so sick of that idea that I spent a couple weeks playing Oblivion and refused to use the fast travel system. Now that was an adventure.
*raises glass* Here's to Guild Wars 2, hoping they keep their reward system for exploring and continue to keep their content challenging.
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Ok I've played my fair share of MMOs before starcraft, heres my take. You need to like the artstyle of the game, or else everything else won't work. I loved BC's artstyle, but I absolutely hate Cata's, so I can't play WoW anymore. Also, I like playing as cutesy characters or hot girls, why would I want to play as a sexy macho man? I do that all day in real life... I love Terra's artstyle, I'm going to play that a lot either as one of the young girl characters or as one of the nekos, if they add them. More games need to have neko races, FFXI was awesome for having mithra. They were so cool!
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On October 05 2011 11:18 Liquid`Tyler wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2011 11:06 Special Endrey wrote:On October 05 2011 10:45 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
Original EverQuest + Kunark and Velious was da best. And Enchanter was the best class ever ! =]
Can't believe they're still making expansions for that game! you're wrong Star Wars Galaxies = best  lol :D i remember the brave souls who left EQ to try SWG and i remember well their collective "wtf is this shit"
I haven't played SWG but I heard SOE fucked that game up so hard several years ago via updates that just completely changed the game for the worse.
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On October 06 2011 04:35 Endymion wrote:
I'm going to play that a lot either as one of the young girl characters or as one of the nekos, if they add them. More games need to have neko races
Wow.
Nouar, I agree. WoW is unbelievably simple, even at the bleeding edge level. The execution takes practice but getting a fucking degree level knowledge of boss tactics in each dungeon and raid makes no sense to me, because every single class is fundamentally simple compared to other games. I honestly don't know anyone that considers WoW a difficult game or particularly time consuming anymore, since mid-BC.
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Any Asheron's Call players here? Specifically from the Darktide server? Probably the best game i've ever played.
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I feel like Blizzard is completely disconnected from what made WoW good in the past. I've been playing for 4 years now and I'm sick and tired of the direction the game is going in and it seems lots of others are too judging by the amount of lost subscribers. I've quit a few times for a few months but this time I just don't want to play anymore unless something changes.
- The world is only for leveling. Nothing happens in it. Everyone stays in cities at max level.
- A playerbase of entitlement was bred in WotLK by the easyness of acquiring gear. This manifests itself by fully ungemmed and unenchanted characters who stand in the fire and whine about everything if they cannot complete it. Most heard argument "I pay for the content." No you dumbass, you pay for access to the servers. The thing is, you had these players in TBC too, but in TBC there were actually more things to do than stand in a city all day waiting for queues to pop so these players weren't clogging up the parts of the game that are supposed to be at least mildly challenging.
- With all the cross-server bullshit everything is faster than before but the feeling of community is completely gone, which is ultimately killing the game because everyone acts like an asshole because no one ever remembers.
- The difficulty curve. Imagine pressing one button over and over and over and over and over and over again for 85 levels and then suddenly BAM! You're required to actually make intelligent decisions, have situational awareness, have at least a resemblance of an optimally played character and have to be able to do more than one thing at a time. I don't know what Blizzard is thinking but having a mindless grind for 85 levels and then suddenly hitting a brick wall of difficulty is not my idea of good game design. This is of course also responsible for the large influx of shit players who don't even realise they have to learn stuff and read/watch guides online in order to succeed at max level. They then proceed to call everyone who suggests that one should do so 'elitists' and instead of learning how to play, start whining and whining and whining to Blizzard until everything gets dumbed down so much that they still cannot play it because they're fucking retards.
Sorry I'm going to stop here as I'm realising I'm writing a gigantic rant. I would actually write a huge constructive thread on the official WoW forums but I can't because the shit moderators banned me for joking while all the people whining and having no clue about anything, insulting others and being trolls get to post all they want.
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UPDATE: I HAVE TRIED RAGNAROK
Wow, I don't understand Ragnarok Online at all. I mean I want to like it but there are many parts that aren't making sense to me. I have tried searching a lot for a basic game guide but haven't really found much useful.
I think the grind is quite bad even at low level, but then again, I am probably doing it wrong because the game guide recommends that your optimal levelling rate comes from killing enemies 10 levels above you. Yet the Creamys (level 22 birds found right outside Geffen) instagib me, even despite my Base Level 14 and Job Level 13...)
By the way, I chose Magician, which probably wasn't the best idea.
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I started played Everquest when it came out when i was in 5th grade and have been playing MMO's on and off since then (eq, asherons call, anarchy online, dark age of camelot, wow, ff11).
Maybe it's because I played it when i was really young, but nothing comes close to the same experience as playing Everquest for me. I still remember my first time falling off the top level of Keletin due to lag and being bound across the world. The first time going into plane of fear and needing to find a raid to do a corpse run raid for our initial corpse run raid.
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I've played over 3000 hours of Guild Wars. God only knows how much I've played Diablo 2. Thank god I can't find out.
I have nothing to say really, I just get addicted to certain games, which is a good thing because I have nothing else to do besides university anyway.
And I didn't even complete that much in Guild Wars. I've done all of the normal stuff with a couple of characters and gotten a lot done with a few more but I didn't max any of the grind titles. I have some friends with over 10,000 hours of played time that still haven't maxed everything (although that's mostly because they're not very efficient... doesn't take nearly that long if you go for them). Excluding PvP titles of course as those are in a different class.
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On October 07 2011 01:16 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2011 04:35 Endymion wrote:
I'm going to play that a lot either as one of the young girl characters or as one of the nekos, if they add them. More games need to have neko races Wow. Nouar, I agree. WoW is unbelievably simple, even at the bleeding edge level. The execution takes practice but Show nested quote +getting a fucking degree level knowledge of boss tactics in each dungeon and raid makes no sense to me, because every single class is fundamentally simple compared to other games. I honestly don't know anyone that considers WoW a difficult game or particularly time consuming anymore, since mid-BC.
just stating what you were thinking!
OK WTF THERE AREN'T NEKOS IN TERA..... FFXI stands alone.
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On October 07 2011 07:43 Endymion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2011 01:16 Jibba wrote:On October 06 2011 04:35 Endymion wrote:
I'm going to play that a lot either as one of the young girl characters or as one of the nekos, if they add them. More games need to have neko races Wow. Nouar, I agree. WoW is unbelievably simple, even at the bleeding edge level. The execution takes practice but getting a fucking degree level knowledge of boss tactics in each dungeon and raid makes no sense to me, because every single class is fundamentally simple compared to other games. I honestly don't know anyone that considers WoW a difficult game or particularly time consuming anymore, since mid-BC. just stating what you were thinking! OK WTF THERE AREN'T NEKOS IN TERA..... FFXI stands alone.
but those poporis!!!
they're SO CUTE ^________^
http://www.tera-online.com/node/74
tbh I'm a little excited for TERA because it finally is trying something new in (at least the ones I've tried) the whole combat action business. The rest of the MMO genre is fizzled out because no one has the balls to try anything new, so everything is just a "WoW Clone" (I hate that term)... why should I play this new game when I could just play something that's way more developed? That's my problem with MMOs.
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On October 07 2011 08:06 Torenhire wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2011 07:43 Endymion wrote:On October 07 2011 01:16 Jibba wrote:On October 06 2011 04:35 Endymion wrote:
I'm going to play that a lot either as one of the young girl characters or as one of the nekos, if they add them. More games need to have neko races Wow. Nouar, I agree. WoW is unbelievably simple, even at the bleeding edge level. The execution takes practice but getting a fucking degree level knowledge of boss tactics in each dungeon and raid makes no sense to me, because every single class is fundamentally simple compared to other games. I honestly don't know anyone that considers WoW a difficult game or particularly time consuming anymore, since mid-BC. just stating what you were thinking! OK WTF THERE AREN'T NEKOS IN TERA..... FFXI stands alone. but those poporis!!! they're SO CUTE ^________^ http://www.tera-online.com/node/74tbh I'm a little excited for TERA because it finally is trying something new in (at least the ones I've tried) the whole combat action business. The rest of the MMO genre is fizzled out because no one has the balls to try anything new, so everything is just a "WoW Clone" (I hate that term)... why should I play this new game when I could just play something that's way more developed? That's my problem with MMOs.
I agree, I don't just like Tera for the art design, I love ARPGs that are well designed. If the combat is tight I could see myself playing it for a longgg time.
but wow why does every female have huge boobs, at least give us a slider to choose, some guys prefer flat girls, some girls want to reflect their flatness.. and since when do elves (who are meant to be slim and slender) have dd boobs..
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Oh man, Runescape.. I spent 6 and a half years on that game, but I finally managed to put it down for good in about March this year. Once you've done everything it gets really boring. I still didn't manage to get any 99s =/ (Although I did get the quest cape at one point)
Here are a bunch of pictures I still have saved for memories sake. Levels, PKs, Quests, and a bunch of other stuff I still have saved.
+ Show Spoiler +
That is just a small amount of pics I have.
October 31, 2004 - March 12, 2011. What a ride...
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On October 07 2011 08:23 Endymion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2011 08:06 Torenhire wrote:On October 07 2011 07:43 Endymion wrote:On October 07 2011 01:16 Jibba wrote:On October 06 2011 04:35 Endymion wrote:
I'm going to play that a lot either as one of the young girl characters or as one of the nekos, if they add them. More games need to have neko races Wow. Nouar, I agree. WoW is unbelievably simple, even at the bleeding edge level. The execution takes practice but getting a fucking degree level knowledge of boss tactics in each dungeon and raid makes no sense to me, because every single class is fundamentally simple compared to other games. I honestly don't know anyone that considers WoW a difficult game or particularly time consuming anymore, since mid-BC. just stating what you were thinking! OK WTF THERE AREN'T NEKOS IN TERA..... FFXI stands alone. but those poporis!!! they're SO CUTE ^________^ http://www.tera-online.com/node/74tbh I'm a little excited for TERA because it finally is trying something new in (at least the ones I've tried) the whole combat action business. The rest of the MMO genre is fizzled out because no one has the balls to try anything new, so everything is just a "WoW Clone" (I hate that term)... why should I play this new game when I could just play something that's way more developed? That's my problem with MMOs. I agree, I don't just like Tera for the art design, I love ARPGs that are well designed. If the combat is tight I could see myself playing it for a longgg time. but wow why does every female have huge boobs, at least give us a slider to choose, some guys prefer flat girls, some girls want to reflect their flatness.. and since when do elves (who are meant to be slim and slender) have dd boobs..
Agreed, never understood why every female in every RPG has the same size boobs haha.
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On October 07 2011 06:55 Clbull wrote:
UPDATE: I HAVE TRIED RAGNAROK
Wow, I don't understand Ragnarok Online at all. I mean I want to like it but there are many parts that aren't making sense to me. I have tried searching a lot for a basic game guide but haven't really found much useful.
I think the grind is quite bad even at low level, but then again, I am probably doing it wrong because the game guide recommends that your optimal levelling rate comes from killing enemies 10 levels above you. Yet the Creamys (level 22 birds found right outside Geffen) instagib me, even despite my Base Level 14 and Job Level 13...)
By the way, I chose Magician, which probably wasn't the best idea.
RO can be really hard to get around for a new player, so I don't blame you. Start by putting all your skill points in Fire Bolt and all your stat points in INT, and look for Mage levelling guides. Also one more thing you should know, if you haven't found the hotkeys bar yet, hit F12 iirc.
And yeah the grind's awful, especially on official RO servers. You should try playing on a private server, maybe with low rates (such as 3x, 5x, or 10x EXP rate) so the game is bearable ^_^
www.ratemyserver.net
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On October 07 2011 11:58 Vestrel wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2011 06:55 Clbull wrote:
UPDATE: I HAVE TRIED RAGNAROK
Wow, I don't understand Ragnarok Online at all. I mean I want to like it but there are many parts that aren't making sense to me. I have tried searching a lot for a basic game guide but haven't really found much useful.
I think the grind is quite bad even at low level, but then again, I am probably doing it wrong because the game guide recommends that your optimal levelling rate comes from killing enemies 10 levels above you. Yet the Creamys (level 22 birds found right outside Geffen) instagib me, even despite my Base Level 14 and Job Level 13...)
By the way, I chose Magician, which probably wasn't the best idea. RO can be really hard to get around for a new player, so I don't blame you. Start by putting all your skill points in Fire Bolt and all your stat points in INT, and look for Mage levelling guides. Also one more thing you should know, if you haven't found the hotkeys bar yet, hit F12 iirc. And yeah the grind's awful, especially on official RO servers. You should try playing on a private server, maybe with low rates (such as 3x, 5x, or 10x EXP rate) so the game is bearable ^_^ www.ratemyserver.net
One has to look hard IF they want to go on to a PS, simply because even with better exp rates, more than a few of these won't give you a chance unless you become a donator.
Also, Fire Bolt + Stone Curse and Frost Diver should be priority Mage skills on a pure Int build. You can spam pots anyway.
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On October 07 2011 12:49 Ciryandor wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2011 11:58 Vestrel wrote:On October 07 2011 06:55 Clbull wrote:
UPDATE: I HAVE TRIED RAGNAROK
Wow, I don't understand Ragnarok Online at all. I mean I want to like it but there are many parts that aren't making sense to me. I have tried searching a lot for a basic game guide but haven't really found much useful.
I think the grind is quite bad even at low level, but then again, I am probably doing it wrong because the game guide recommends that your optimal levelling rate comes from killing enemies 10 levels above you. Yet the Creamys (level 22 birds found right outside Geffen) instagib me, even despite my Base Level 14 and Job Level 13...)
By the way, I chose Magician, which probably wasn't the best idea. RO can be really hard to get around for a new player, so I don't blame you. Start by putting all your skill points in Fire Bolt and all your stat points in INT, and look for Mage levelling guides. Also one more thing you should know, if you haven't found the hotkeys bar yet, hit F12 iirc. And yeah the grind's awful, especially on official RO servers. You should try playing on a private server, maybe with low rates (such as 3x, 5x, or 10x EXP rate) so the game is bearable ^_^ www.ratemyserver.net One has to look hard IF they want to go on to a PS, simply because even with better exp rates, more than a few of these won't give you a chance unless you become a donator. Also, Fire Bolt + Stone Curse and Frost Diver should be priority Mage skills on a pure Int build. You can spam pots anyway.
Not true, I haven't donated one cent on all the servers i've played on. skill + experience > donation items. besides there are always people who will buy donations and vend them ingame for zeny. You just gotta know tricks, like BrTalorlg said RO rewards the truly hardcore. Its like the BW of mmo's lol
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