I fucking don't understand this matchup. 50 min TvT on Searing Crater, I outexpand him, kill his expansions, yet he manages to take the gold and I can't kill him for it, and I'm dead. Next, 10 hellions happily march across the map and fuck up my 50 scvs, and I don't have income. I just don't understand, you can't fucking walk into tank lines but how do you kill the motherfucker who set up tank lines? This is so much fucking bullshit, I'll switch to Toss at least their mirror ends in 10-15min at most and it doesn't fucking drain your soul with bullshit positioning and such...

I need something to break.......

iTzSnypah

United States1738 Posts

September 06 2011 10:45 GMT

I feel your pain, i usually just marine scv all in TvT because i can't stand tank vs tank...

arb

Noobville17921 Posts

September 06 2011 10:49 GMT

Fight for positioning pull scvs to take tank hits, drop everywhere, or force him to attack you, switch to bc's.

theres all kinds of shit you can do in TvT

Necosarius

Sweden4042 Posts

September 06 2011 10:52 GMT

Isn't TvT the most versatile MU? Just do different shit! Sky terran yo!

Finland151 Posts

September 06 2011 10:52 GMT

copy nada

Sotamursu

Finland612 Posts

September 06 2011 10:53 GMT

You kill tank lines with air control and better positioning. Or you can try bio on very big maps and try multi-pronged attacks, but that's really hard to pull off. I played an hour long tvt on shakuras yesterday. I lost air control, so I took the Xel'naga towers. Those stop your opponent from abusing his vikings.

After you gain air control, you just leapfrog your tanks slowly and destroy theirs with your longer range. And/or get banshees/bc's and destroy their tanks.

SecondChance

Australia603 Posts

September 06 2011 11:01 GMT

Yea, it's kinda horrible. I never play tank viking or mech and pray that we spwn at cross positions with a watch tower inbetween us; haha.

Bio tank ftw.

Osmoses

Sweden5302 Posts

September 06 2011 11:05 GMT

I used to hate it, but then I saw Jinro playing a TvT and I dun went and changed my opinion, that was awesome. It's definitely more strategic than any other matchup, with tons of little tricks you can do to get an edge. Like landing a mule in his tankline to make him shoot himself or landing your scouting rax to take the first volley as you attack.

phoenixfeather95

665 Posts

September 06 2011 11:25 GMT

Play like TLO :D

CooDu

Australia899 Posts

September 06 2011 11:33 GMT

#10

Probably my favourite matchup, usually going for good old Tank/Viking, makes for some awesome games.

babylon

8765 Posts

September 06 2011 11:51 GMT

#11

Bio timing attacks. Go Polt-style. Ends things quickly (for either you or your opponent). :D

i_imperator

Ireland94 Posts

September 06 2011 11:53 GMT

#12

I've heard that zvz is way worse than tvt. Just go for mass air, tanks cant shoot up, and make sur you have vikings to defend. If you dont wanna do that then just nuke him. That should get him to move those tanks!

heha

Australia425 Posts

September 06 2011 12:05 GMT

#13

Been trying 1 rax FE into pure Bio TvP style in TvT recently, works soooo deliciously. The mech/tank players these days just are too scared to unsiege, lest they get mauled by marauders... *drool* works high masters NA/SEA, so I've gotta be doing something right

CooDu

Australia899 Posts

September 06 2011 12:06 GMT

#14

Not a bad idea heha, going to try this out !!

Deadlyfish

Denmark1980 Posts

September 06 2011 12:14 GMT

#15

Yea i feel the same. When my opponent has a tank line, turrets around his base etc, what the fuck can i do. I cant attack at all, so i'm forced to just wait. Usually i'll try and attack or drop but it always ends up biting me in the ass.

So you end up trying to switch into BC's and then someone randomly wins after 40mins of pure shit, i hate it.

Zombie_Velociraptor

274 Posts

September 06 2011 12:15 GMT

#16

A single Banshee in tank line stand offs makes massive difference; and if he invests so much in air that you can't make enough vikings to keep it alive, suicide EVERY viking you have (use them to harass mineral lines or whatever), make some thors, and smash. Siege tanks with a few thors in front break siege lines very well.

impression

413 Posts

September 06 2011 12:23 GMT

#17

I hated TvT so much i switched races. That, and I wanted to play zerg anyway. And now ZvZ is my worst MU although lately I have been doing better.

jimbob615

Uruguay455 Posts

September 06 2011 12:24 GMT

#18

there's so many different options available for you to try!

lately i'm doing the reaper marauder ghost rush... works good so far :D

and then there's the thor rush... always very very strong against marine tank, banshee or blue flame drops. only weak vs mass racks MM with stim which is fairly rare.

redoxx

United States333 Posts

September 06 2011 12:57 GMT

#19

TvT is really hard, but it's also the mirror matchup that requires the most skill. It reminds me of chess with all the emphasis placed on positioning and control of important areas. Also, counterattacking using drops or hellions is so important not to kill the opponent, but to win positioning and gain aggressive momentum. I wouldn't say I'm any good at the matchup, but it's the one I see the post possibilities in.

Djagulingu

Germany3605 Posts

September 06 2011 13:36 GMT

#20

You can always siege up and cross your fingers so that opponent unsieges first. You can always order a kebap or two in the process, light a cigarette, do usual msn-facebook thing, watch streams too.

When I offrace as T, I never trust my CPU and usually do a Polt style big 2 base marauder-tank timing with some little help from starport units (see: GSL Super Tournament finals) or marine-tank orientated play which is very micro intensive with some help from marauders and starport units, mostly raven and viking and I also have seen mobility orientated terran strategies work at highest levels (see: Nada vs Keen, Nada did it to win against Keen and Keen did it back to Nada and he almost won), getting mass bio, mainly marauders and some marines, and hellions and dropping everywhere might work well against tank heavy players (see: MMA vs sC from last GSTL, SlayerS vs fOu, the last game). If you split your bio well, you can always take down tank heavy play. That's what Polt means to me.