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Whiplash
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States2928 Posts
September 05 2011 03:22 GMT
#1
As soon as I hit masters on my Korean account....

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Lesson learned: Koreans are good. Other ladders are a joke once u hit maters on Korea.

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Cinematographer / Steadicam Operator. Former Starcraft commentator/player
PanN
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2828 Posts
September 05 2011 03:23 GMT
#2
Other ladders are a joke to people better than the ones competing on the ladder, for a vast majority of players they're hardly a "joke".
We have multiple brackets generated in advance. Relax . (Kennigit) I just simply do not understand how it can be the time to play can be 22nd at 9:30 pm PST / midnight the 23rd at the same time. (GGzerg)
Deleted User 47542
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
1484 Posts
September 05 2011 03:25 GMT
#3
wasn't this obvious?
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9642 Posts
September 05 2011 03:25 GMT
#4
On September 05 2011 12:23 PanN wrote:
Other ladders are a joke to people better than the ones competing on the ladder, for a vast majority of players they're hardly a "joke".

??? I dont understand what your trying to say there
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Aui_2000
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada435 Posts
September 05 2011 03:28 GMT
#5
Don't you play people of the same skill regardless of server because of how match making works?
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PanN
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2828 Posts
September 05 2011 03:31 GMT
#6
On September 05 2011 12:25 Darkdeath3 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2011 12:23 PanN wrote:
Other ladders are a joke to people better than the ones competing on the ladder, for a vast majority of players they're hardly a "joke".

??? I dont understand what your trying to say there


I'm sorry.
We have multiple brackets generated in advance. Relax . (Kennigit) I just simply do not understand how it can be the time to play can be 22nd at 9:30 pm PST / midnight the 23rd at the same time. (GGzerg)
Kashll
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1117 Posts
September 05 2011 03:33 GMT
#7
On September 05 2011 12:28 Validity wrote:
Don't you play people of the same skill regardless of server because of how match making works?


Yeah except for those at the very top. So the only thing server skill affects is those players at the very tip top or the rock bottom.
"After silence, that which comes nearest to expressing the inexpressible is music." - Aldous Huxley
Aegeis
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1619 Posts
September 05 2011 03:33 GMT
#8
On September 05 2011 12:28 Validity wrote:
Don't you play people of the same skill regardless of server because of how match making works?


Koreans play a much more refined game so while the skill is the same the execution is better.
"Skills to pay the bills" - Artosis, https://twitter.com/AegeisSC2 ,http://www.tumblr.com/blog/socal-esports
udgnim
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8024 Posts
September 05 2011 03:38 GMT
#9
On September 05 2011 12:28 Validity wrote:
Don't you play people of the same skill regardless of server because of how match making works?


judging by Whiplash's results screen

he isn't being matched against players of equal skill
E-Sports is competitive video gaming with a spectator fan base. Do not take the word "Sports" literally.
DakotaA7X
Profile Joined June 2011
United States74 Posts
September 05 2011 03:41 GMT
#10
I feel obligated to say the same thing here as I told you when you posted this picture in Boes's stream...

Love dat streak whip!
Óg agus saor go deo
SeRenExZerg
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States401 Posts
September 05 2011 03:43 GMT
#11
the korean ladder is indeed ridiculous. not only do they have much better players at the top of their ladder, a larger percentage of their players are also just flat out good. i guess that is to say that they have many more players that can play at a high level than the other servers do.
One thing about deer: They have good vision. One thing about me: I am better at hiding than they are at vision.
Whiplash
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States2928 Posts
September 05 2011 03:44 GMT
#12
It feels kind of like training with weights on your body. I have to say though even though I lost many games it is really motivating to play on the korean server and a lot of fun.
Cinematographer / Steadicam Operator. Former Starcraft commentator/player
unit
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2621 Posts
September 05 2011 03:49 GMT
#13
damn, there is a reason the best players play on the korean server lol :D
keep at it yo~
GetAtMe
Profile Joined August 2011
42 Posts
September 05 2011 03:53 GMT
#14
I played you ZvP on Tal'Darim, remember "me usa", I mismicro'd my shit for one second and I got vortex'd :D.
Loser777
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
1931 Posts
September 05 2011 03:57 GMT
#15
Hmm, I always thought the matchmaking system matched you against a smooth progression of opponents--it's most likely that you were playing at a time dominated by higher MMR opponents--but even then you shouldn't be getting -13 against favored people. Simply being promoted shouldn't really change how hard your opponents are given that you played mostly people in your current league before being promoted.
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DanceCommander
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1808 Posts
September 05 2011 04:45 GMT
#16
all hail whiplash
Entropic
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2837 Posts
September 05 2011 08:38 GMT
#17
I'm high masters NA (or was last season) but I still haven't hit masters on KR after 40 games now. QQ
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-05 09:05:27
September 05 2011 08:45 GMT
#18
On September 05 2011 12:28 Validity wrote:
Don't you play people of the same skill regardless of server because of how match making works?


many people don't understand why its different. Koreans in general high diamond + their builds are a lot more refined then say north america or Europe. For example a NA terran is going cloaked banshee expand. But he doesn't have timings per say he just does it when he has the money.

Koreans when they do the same build have transition times and everything. Their builds are a lot more refined and a lot more solid. The korean player doing the same build well, do it better. I don't know why but they just do.

You play the 1/1/1 on NA, then play it on korea and you'll see the difference for example (in pvt). A protoss friend of mine me and him talked about it and he said he doesn't know why but when the koreans on korea do 1/1/1 it is way way harder to hold off then when a NA terran he plays does a 1/1/1.

They just know how to do their builds better and are again more refined.

I have been playing on korea for almost 2 months straight now I think and these are just very noticeable. I barely play on na now due to it (and no latency playing on korea is a nice bonus feels just like playing on NA for me :D). I play some masters terran on na who goes marine/marauder/tank attack hoping it wins but doesn't make turrets.

I have yet to face a terran on korea (other then when I first got the account 6 months ago when mmr starts really low ) who ever forgets turrets when I go muta.

I mean tbh it is kind of hard to explain but if you played on korea you would know what I am talking about and whiplash and any other foreign player that plays on korea.


also on a side note: when zerg players in gsl get an interview and say terran is insanely strong and players laugh at them, I didn't understand it either but the terrans on korean server are insanely good. Seriously the skill difference between the average terran on EU/NA then playing korea is ridiculous. I can see why nestea complains about terran for example in his interviews lol (no i'm not saying terran is imbalanced either just saying their terrans so gosu)
When I think of something else, something will go here
marttorn
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Norway5211 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-05 08:51:48
September 05 2011 08:51 GMT
#19
I remember nani tweeted after a few days in korea about how he was getting mercilessly pummeled :D You adjust after a while though

Yes, my balls do ache slightly at the screenshot
memes are a dish best served dank
boesthius
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States11637 Posts
September 05 2011 09:36 GMT
#20
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